CWC RN diver V Tudor Black Bay opinions?

The_Guvnor

I fancy purchasing another piece, and have narrowed my choices down to: a CWC RN diver, Tudor Black Bay, Oris Sixty-Five.
Apologies I cannot post pictures (as new member). Maybe someone else can on my behalf. Anyway, see links below for the models I mean.
The CWC RN I fancy is the automatic rather than quartz version. Also the Black Bay is the current in-house movement version rather than the previous ETA movement one (colour black).
Personally I love the 844 Monnin case used in the CWC as it reminds me of the vintage Heuer dive watch pieces which shared the case. The negative being the fixed bars rather than spring bars; so its NATO/Zulu only strap choices.
But the Tudor also has some lovely vintage features such as the rivet bracelet, and lack of crown cards; which remind me of the 1950's big crown Submariner.
To be honest with you, I would love all three pieces in my collection; but have to exert some self control and choose one piece for now.
One factor which makes me lean more toward the Black Bay is the case is now 2mm taller than a Submariner; due to needing more space to house the in-house movement (the ETA was slimmer). I do like the taller profile on the wrist.
But on the other hand, the military pedigree of CWC also appeals. I like the fact it is a real tool dive watch.
Lastly the Oris 65 appeals due to its vintage looks, and domed sapphire crystal. The only real negative is the push pins rather than screwed links in the bracelet.
Opinions wanted on these pieces please?

https://www.cwcwatch.com/products/cwc-royal-navy-diver-automatic-mk2

https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay/m79230n-0002

https://www.montredo.com/en/oris-divers-sixty-five-42-automatic-date-blue-dial-0173377204055-0782118-11162.html

Deep Thought

I always found the CWC a bit crowded, to many index markers

Black Bay is classic and is one I am thinking of getting myself

Oris is nice, not seen many around, but black bay will probs have a better resale value

blue5000

Is there an ETA in the Oris?

2shea

The new Tudor Black Bay Fifty Eight look like a beautiful peice.

Its 39mm over the 41mm you posted but I just think it would look amazing on the wrist. It also uses the in-house Tudor movement.

The Oris 65 is a really nice piece too. Good price on Montredo. can they be got in 39mm?


CWC are cool watches, I have a quartz one issued for service in 1987 and love it. Plus it only cost me like £25 from eBay. But I don't think they would be in the same league as Tudor and Oris.

2shea

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/oris-divers-sixty-five-bronze-bezel-introducing

It's a beauty alright the Oris. 42mm 40mm and 36mm great selection of sizes.

The_Guvnor

blue5000 wrote: »

Is there an ETA in the Oris?

Yes, Oris modify an ETA2824-2 movement.

The_Guvnor

2shea wrote: »

The new Tudor Black Bay Fifty Eight look like a beautiful peice.

Its 39mm over the 41mm you posted but I just think it would look amazing on the wrist. It also uses the in-house Tudor movement.

The Oris 65 is a really nice piece too. Good price on Montredo. can they be got in 39mm?


CWC are cool watches, I have a quartz one issued for service in 1987 and love it. Plus it only cost me like £25 from eBay. But I don't think they would be in the same league as Tudor and Oris.

Thank you for your opinions. Yes, they come in 39mm; but I have an 8" wrist so 41mm would suit me better.
The G10's are great value quartz pieces; but the RN divers are on a par with Tudor or Oris in my opnion; due to using the same Monnin 844 case that Heuer used, and also the ETA2824-2 movements. Agreed, though that Oris and CWC don't have the brand recognition of Tudor; but the build quality is there.

The_Guvnor

Deep Thought wrote: »

I always found the CWC a bit crowded, to many index markers

Black Bay is classic and is one I am thinking of getting myself

Oris is nice, not seen many around, but black bay will probs have a better resale value

Thank you for your opinion. You raise a valid point about resale value; something In had not considered, so thanks for bringing it up.
Agreed, the Black Bay will resell for more than a CWC or Oris relative to new.
The lack of screws in the bracelet put me off the Oris.
And the fixed bars (rather than removable spring bars) in the CWC put me off.
So I am now leaning towards the Black Bay as a result.
I have a 116613LN so want something on the same level of quality. For the £3K Sterling price tier I don't think the Black Bay can be beaten really.
Only a used Planet Ocean of Seamaster could compete with the quality/value.
But I have previously owned both, so fancy something different now.
Which colour Black Bay do you fancy?
I like the black, but wish they also offered the limited edition green Harrods one as a standard model; as that is my favourite.

The_Guvnor

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Cienciano

Based purely on looks, I'd go for the Oris. The Tudor hour hands annoy me too much and as deep_thought said, I find the CWC a bit crowded. Domed crystal on the oris looks cool too. TBH, if it was me, I'd end up going for the CWC purely based on price!

FingerDeKat

I love the Tudor myself, pops out more than the Oris imho.

Deep Thought

VostokIreland wrote: »

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Which colour Black Bay do you fancy?
I like the black, but wish they also offered the limited edition green Harrods one as a standard model; as that is my favourite.

I like the black with the gold indices and hands.

https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay/m79230n-0002

2shea

Deep Thought wrote: »

I like the black with the gold indices and hands.

https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay/m79230n-0002

Yes black and gold 🖒It's the best colour way in the Black Bay IMO

AmberGold

Not into fixed bars or Nato straps, Oris is nice but if you have the cash the Tudor wins hands down.

13% off over at Jomashop if you have a way to get it in the US:

https://www.jomashop.com/tudor-watch-79230n-bkss.html

The_Guvnor

Deep Thought wrote: »

I like the black with the gold indices and hands.

https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay/m79230n-0002

Agreed, I do love a black dial with gold hands and indices myself. That was why I purchased my 116633LN
I am not that gone on the snowflake hands, but appreciate they are an iconic hallmark of Tudor.
My favourite Black Bay is the green, but the grey market prices rule it out for me. So I think the black dial is my favourite. The red triangle on the bezel reminds me of early Submariners; adding to the vintage look.

Mitch Buchannon

I’m a fan of the burgundy with the black coming in a close second.

The_Guvnor

Mitch Buchannon wrote: »

I’m a fan of the burgundy with the black coming in a close second.

Great choices. Thanks for your opinions. I think the burgundy really is an iconic Tudor bezel colour for the Black Bay; just as blue is for their Submariner (I love TGV's one). With the gilt Snowflake hands one can recognise its not a Submariner etc at a distance. I love that subtle look.

The_Guvnor

AmberGold wrote: »

Not into fixed bars or Nato straps, Oris is nice but if you have the cash the Tudor wins hands down.

13% off over at Jomashop if you have a way to get it in the US:

https://www.jomashop.com/tudor-watch-79230n-bkss.html

Thanks for the heads up. But I don't have anyone in America to send it to me.
I am planning on purchasing it from Lunne's in Belfast as the UK price is 3K Euro v 3.5K Euro here. I did the same when I purchased my 116613LN from London rather than Dublin and saved 1.3K Euro on it. Brexit making Sterling weak at the moment also helps a little.
Another factor with Jomashop is that TGV had a bad experience purchasing a Breitling from them (warranty repair issue). So that puts me off really.
I would recommend Montredo over Jomashop for Tudor due to them stamping thew warranty cards in Germany, and shipping from there; so no import tax worries.
Some good prices on Tudor; just a shame they don't stock the black one on a bracelet (only the leather).
https://www.montredo.com/index.php?stoken=97A49B7C&force_sid=&lang=1&cl=search&searchparam=tudor