Born In Northern Ireland - Irish / UK Passport

Roosterreid

Hi,

So with Brexit pending.... I have a query re: Passport / Citizenships / Passports

I was born in Northern Ireland and as such can hold both an Irish and a UK passport - which I do. I predominantly use my Irish passport as I live in Kildare / work in Dublin.

My query is (without getting into a whole political debate)..

What would be the benefits as identifying as Irish on my Irish passport and as British on my UK passport - is there any?

As long as I hold a UK passport, does this entitle me to work in the UK or is that your citizenship? Tad confused by it all.

Cheers

Grayson

Brexit means Brexit.

Britain and Ireland have a "common travel area" agreement that precedes the EEC so Irish people don't need anything to go to the UK to live work etc.

Donald Trump

Grayson wrote: »

Brexit means Brexit.

Yeah, feck off OP. You and your Nordie brethren have made your choice

Conall Cernach

Roosterreid wrote: »

Hi,

So with Brexit pending.... I have a query re: Passport / Citizenships / Passports

I was born in Northern Ireland and as such can hold both an Irish and a UK passport - which I do. I predominantly use my Irish passport as I live in Kildare / work in Dublin.

My query is (without getting into a whole political debate)..

What would be the benefits as identifying as Irish on my Irish passport and as British on my UK passport - is there any?

As long as I hold a UK passport, does this entitle me to work in the UK or is that your citizenship? Tad confused by it all.

Cheers

You can only hold a British passport if you are a British citizen which, as you were born in the North, you are. This entitles you to enter and live in Britain without requiring visas etc. But even if you never had British passport you would still be able to do this.

Taytoland

British passport allows you to enter the colonies around the world. Irish passport for small countries like Belgium.

citytillidie

https://www.passportindex.org/comparebyPassport.php?p1=ie&p2=uk&fl=&s=yes

Atoms for Peace

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yeah, feck off OP. You and your Nordie brethren have made your choice

They voted to remain.

McMurphy

Taytoland wrote: »

British passport allows you to enter the colonies around the world.

Eh

Irish passport for small countries like Belgium.

Eh

Duckworth_Luas

Taytoland wrote: »

British passport allows you to enter the colonies around the world. Irish passport for small countries like Belgium.

Is one allowed to swat the ghastly colonials with said passport if one pleases?

Donald Trump

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

They voted to remain.

Most of them did


But an awful lot of them didn't.

Wasn't the North's votes that counted en bloc - rather each individual vote. Probably had enough "Brexit" voters that if they switched, "Remain" would have won overall

That and their main party is exerting excessive and undue influence on crashing them out of the EU

Taytoland

Donald Trump wrote: »

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

They voted to remain.

Most of them did


But an awful lot of them didn't.

Wasn't the North's votes that counted en bloc - rather each individual vote. Probably had enough "Brexit" voters that if they switched, "Remain" would have won overall

That and their main party is exerting excessive and undue influence on crashing them out of the EU

Majority did vote remain but yes, A LOT of Northern Ireland voted to leave, particularly those up to no good prods.

4068ac1elhodqr

Donald Trump wrote: »

Most of them did. But an awful lot of them didn't. Wasn't the North's votes that counted en bloc - rather each individual vote. Probably had enough "Brexit" voters that if they switched, "Remain" would have won overall. That and their main party is exerting excessive and undue influence on crashing them out of the EU

Stats show that would have needed 1.269m extra for a 'brexit draw'.

With only 72% UK turnout, it was really up to those 28% too lazy to vote.
All the border counties voted strongly to remain, only Antrim had strong leave. Total leavers just 350k or 44.2% of nordics.

UK PP benefits: Free health insurance (Medicare) in Can/Aus/Nz/Colonies.
EU PP benefits: Free health insurance (EHIC) in Federal US of Europa.

It's probably handy to have both as if visiting the big smoke across the water. You'll likely be robbed by those feral moped yoof bandits, but will have another spare PPort in your sock to get back safely across the water with.

Donald Trump

Taytoland wrote: »

Majority did vote remain but yes, A LOT of Northern Ireland voted to leave, particularly those up to no good prods.

marketty

You will be able to get a lovely blue British passport

rainbow kirby

I have both - born in Dublin but my mum was born in Birmingham. My kids are dual citizens as well as they were both born in London.

I don't see the harm in having both. There will be times where one will be more advantageous than the other.

Islington voted 75% Remain, we tried to do our bit :pac:

Conall Cernach

Conall Cernach wrote: »

You can only hold a British passport if you are a British citizen which, as you were born in the North, you are. This entitles you to enter and live in Britain without requiring visas etc. But even if you never had British passport you would still be able to do this.

Being entitled to British citizenship and being a British citizen are not synonymous. There are very many people born in that last remnant of Britain's Irish colony who are legally, by their own choice, only citizens of Ireland. Under international law since 1998 they have that right. Similarly by virtue of their birth in the same place, Unionists are entitled to Irish citizenship. It doesn't mean Willie Frazer, for instance, is an Irish citizen.

Roosterreid

Roosterreid wrote: »

Hi,

So with Brexit pending.... I have a query re: Passport / Citizenships / Passports

I was born in Northern Ireland and as such can hold both an Irish and a UK passport - which I do. I predominantly use my Irish passport as I live in Kildare / work in Dublin.

My query is (without getting into a whole political debate)..

What would be the benefits as identifying as Irish on my Irish passport and as British on my UK passport - is there any?

As long as I hold a UK passport, does this entitle me to work in the UK or is that your citizenship? Tad confused by it all.

Cheers

Having both means that you can’t use the services of the British embassy in Ireland if you get in to trouble. That’s the only draw back from what I can tell.

Roosterreid

Roosterreid wrote: »

Hi,

So with Brexit pending.... I have a query re: Passport / Citizenships / Passports

I was born in Northern Ireland and as such can hold both an Irish and a UK passport - which I do. I predominantly use my Irish passport as I live in Kildare / work in Dublin.

My query is (without getting into a whole political debate)..

What would be the benefits as identifying as Irish on my Irish passport and as British on my UK passport - is there any?

As long as I hold a UK passport, does this entitle me to work in the UK or is that your citizenship? Tad confused by it all.

Cheers

Well, I'm Irish so I've an Irish passport. I'm not British, French etc so I don't have a British, French etc passport. By virtue of my parents being born in the 26 Counties before the Ireland Act 1949 I could, if I had a certain view of Ireland, get British citizenship via getting them British citizenship. However, after centuries of our people struggling for freedom against Irish-hating cúnts my Irish passport is infinitely more than a fúcking commodity, thank you very much.

Anybody in the Six Counties who chooses to take a British passport is British. End of.

RDM_83 again

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Islington voted 75% Remain, we tried to do our bit :pac:

Your local MP sure as hell didn't though and that would have made more a difference than all of NI's Leave votes :cool:

prinzeugen

I have both.

As others have said,

Irish passport = easy access to the EU colonies in North America, the Caribbean, Indian Ocean and South Pacific.

British passport = easy access to Commonwealth countries.

One issue of having both is if you entered the US on one and left the US using the other.

Zebra3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Being entitled to British citizenship and being a British citizen are not synonymous. There are very many people born in that last remnant of Britain's Irish colony who are legally, by their own choice, only citizens of Ireland. Under international law since 1998 they have that right. Similarly by virtue of their birth in the same place, Unionists are entitled to Irish citizenship. It doesn't mean Willie Frazer, for instance, is an Irish citizen.

Even Mad Willie probably has an Irish passport at this stage.

EdgeCase

Actually very, very, little difference, including access to commonwealth countries.

Eg: entering Canada you'll be subject to the same visa waivers for short visits and visa application / work permit requirements if you intend to stay long term. Both Irish and British visitors need to fill out ETA electronic preclearance before departing too.

The main advantage of the Irish passport is that the UK has picked fights with lot of countries over the years and in general the Irish one is far less controversial.

A lot of journalists working internationally far prefer to have an Irish passport or one from one of the Nordic countries etc as they've no recent or historical military or colonial baggage.

The UK has a lot of baggage around former colonies and in places that they've been at war. Only 22 countries (of 200) haven't been invaded by the UK (or England) at some stage.

Apart from full EU membership and all of the flexibility and benefits that brings, Ireland also has plenty of bilateral agreements with commonly visited countries :

Social Insurance:

Canada (see information leaflet SW 84)
Republic of Korea (see information leaflet SW 125)
Australia (see information leaflet SW 87)
the United States of America (see information leaflet SW 91)
New Zealand (see information leaflet SW 95)
Québec (see information leaflet SW 96)
Switzerland (largely superceded by EC Regulations) - (see information leaflet SW 97).
United Kingdom coverning those parts of the United Kingdom that are outside of the European Union i.e. Isle of Man and the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Herm and Jethou.) (see information leaflet SW123)
Japan (see information leaflet SW129)

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Bilateral-Social-Security-Agreements-with-Other-Countries.aspx

There's also a bilateral agreement in place on healthcare with Australia.

https://health.gov.ie/blog/press-release/reciprocal-agreement-on-medical-treatment-for-temporary-visitors-between-ireland-and-australia/

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

Roosterreid wrote: »

Hi,

So with Brexit pending.... I have a query re: Passport / Citizenships / Passports

I was born in Northern Ireland and as such can hold both an Irish and a UK passport - which I do. I predominantly use my Irish passport as I live in Kildare / work in Dublin.

My query is (without getting into a whole political debate)..

What would be the benefits as identifying as Irish on my Irish passport and as British on my UK passport - is there any?

As long as I hold a UK passport, does this entitle me to work in the UK or is that your citizenship? Tad confused by it all.

Cheers

Well, I'm Irish so I've an Irish passport. I'm not British, French etc so I don't have a British, French etc passport. By virtue of my parents being born in the 26 Counties before the Ireland Act 1949 I could, if I had a certain view of Ireland, get British citizenship via getting them British citizenship. However, after centuries of our people struggling for freedom against Irish-hating cúnts my Irish passport is infinitely more than a fúcking commodity, thank you very much.

Anybody in the Six Counties who chooses to take a British passport is British. End of.

Aside from the rest of your waffle choosing a passport means very little. It’s only a piece of paper for travel after all. I’m certain that within NI there are plenty of Irish nationalists who hold a British passport. I may at some stage acquire an Irish passport if it benefits me. But even if I do don’t be making the mistake that it means I consider myself Irish.

The stupidity of some people is just bonkers...

EdgeCase

If you're born in Northern Ireland you've every right to feel Irish, British, Northern Irish, European and any combination of those things.

The most balanced and chilled out Northern Irish people I know seem to simultaneously be (at least) all of the above and quite happily reconsile all of those identities into some kind of personal balance.

You can hold Irish and British passports and citizenship simultaneously, and without any conflict between those two statuses.

So just pick whichever passport you prefer to have.

Taytoland

timthumbni wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Roosterreid wrote: »

Hi,

So with Brexit pending.... I have a query re: Passport / Citizenships / Passports

I was born in Northern Ireland and as such can hold both an Irish and a UK passport - which I do. I predominantly use my Irish passport as I live in Kildare  / work in Dublin.

My query is (without getting into a whole political debate)..

What would be the benefits as identifying as Irish on my Irish passport and as British on my UK passport - is there any?

As long as I hold a UK passport, does this entitle me to work in the UK or is that your citizenship? Tad confused by it all.

Cheers

Well, I'm Irish so I've an Irish passport. I'm not British, French etc so I don't have a British, French etc passport. By virtue of my parents being born in the 26 Counties before the Ireland Act 1949 I could, if I had a certain view of Ireland, get British citizenship via getting them British citizenship. However, after centuries of our people struggling for freedom against Irish-hating cúnts my Irish passport is infinitely more than a fúcking commodity, thank you very much.

Anybody in the Six Counties who chooses to take a British passport is British. End of.

Aside from the rest of your waffle choosing a passport means very little. It’s only a piece of paper for travel after all. I’m certain that within NI there are plenty of Irish nationalists who hold a British passport. I may at some stage acquire an Irish passport if it benefits me. But even if I do don’t be making the mistake that it means I consider myself Irish.

The stupidity of some people is just bonkers...

It's harder to get a British one. My brother had to jump some hoops to get his. I haven't got an Irish one as it would feel a bit awkward. My proddish self might melt.

EdgeCase

Taytoland wrote: »

It's harder to get a British one. My brother had to jump some hoops to get his. I haven't got an Irish one as it would feel a bit awkward. My proddish self might melt.

Ah you'd be grand. Sure the Republic is far more proddish than many of you up there seem to think!

At the moment, Northern Ireland social policy, for example, is far more in line with Catholic teaching than the Republic is for example, albeit driven by a very narrow group of right wing protestants.

Also, many of the icons of Irish independence were protestants. Parnell, Constance Markievicz (née Goore-Booth), Roger Casement .. long list actually ...

Even the Republic's first president and founder of the Gaelic League / Conradh na Gaeilge, Douglas Hyde was protestant. Although, utterly disgracefully all but one member of the Irish cabinet (Noel Browne) at the time of his funeral stayed outside the church, cowardly obeying a Catholic Church rule banning them from attending non-Catholic church services... thankfully a lot of that nonsense has changed since 1949, but when you think about it, it was utterly disrespectful and petty nonsense and absolutely anti-republican.

However, don't think for a moment that the Irish passport isn't as "proddy". It has a very broad heritage.
Definitely feel it's yours and definitely use it!

Capt'n Midnight

Today there isn't much to choose between them. It's like some African countries charge for a visa for one but not the other. Unless you are doing a lot of travel you probably won't even save any money by getting the other one too.

In a few years time it might be different though.