Bob Lazar new documentary coming out soon.

Cheerful Spring

Who has not heard of Bob Lazar lol. The most famous whistleblower or fraud depending on who you ask. The story is fascinating even if he is fraud his story has interesting plot turns that seemly are not easily dismissed.

NIMAN

I'm wondering what new he has to tell us?

After all, I assume he was kicked out of his job when he went public, so he shouldn't have gained any new knowledge in the last 30 years?

Which is why I would take anything he adds now with a big pinch of salt. And thats to add to the massive pinch I would have greeted his initial announcements with.

Ipso

Maybe he forgot!

gerrybbadd

What i always found fascinating about Bob was how he spoke about Element 115, decades before it was actually added to the periodic table.

Ipso

When was it added?

gerrybbadd

gerrybbadd wrote: »

What i always found fascinating about Bob was how he spoke about Element 115, decades before it was actually added to the periodic table.

Why is this fascinating?
Assuming that it is actually the case that he did so, it's not exactly a shock that there is an element 115.
The element only gets added to the periodic table officially when it is observed in the lab. It isn't the case that scientist had no idea about it before this, or that they didn't believe it existed.

Further, when he talks about the properties of the element, he ascribes properties it simply doesn't have, ie, is able to alter gravity waves.

Cheerful Spring

Ipso wrote: »

When was it added?

2003. It does not exist naturally it had to be made in a lab.

Bob Lazar claims the element 15 was stable. The Element 15 made in 2003 from what I can gather was unstable.

Bob Lazar claimed the element 15 was used to power the anti-gravity wave engine.

Cheerful Spring

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm wondering what new he has to tell us?

After all, I assume he was kicked out of his job when he went public, so he shouldn't have gained any new knowledge in the last 30 years?

Which is why I would take anything he adds now with a big pinch of salt. And thats to add to the massive pinch I would have greeted his initial announcements with.

The biggest problem with his story how does one verify it truly?

I always keep an open mind on it because when Bob appeared in court for a disturbance charge the US government refused to release documents on him. The Judge even commented on it on the court that was enormously difficult to get anything on him. They got one W2 form that showed he was employed by the Department of Naval Intelligence.

Another thing he said a guy named Mike Thigpen was his handler. Knapp an investigative journalist did some digging and found out he was an OFI agent. OFI is the basically the secret police of the armed forces of the United States.

Bob also recorded a UFO over area 51.

Bob also worked at Los Alamos. Skeptics said for years he never worked there this was a lie, but later they found a Los Alamos Laboratory phonebook and Robert Lazar name was in. A scientist with undisputable credentials in 2015 came out in after he retired said he saw Lazar in a meeting with physicists at Los Alamos and was asked did you think he was a janitor or a scientist. Oh, he was definitely a Physicist this was a meeting for those people.

There also the fact he named a location unknown about in 1989 called S4.

The biggest complaint with Bob Lazar is his education. No record of him attending MIT could be found.

Dohnjoe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar

Lazar's story garnered some media attention and controversy; it has some supporters; however, the majority of scientific community remains skeptical.[3][15] Lazar has stated that his academic records were erased in an effort by the authorities to discredit his story.[16][17] Stanton Friedman has looked into Lazar's background and believes that Lazar lied about attending MIT and Caltech. No professors remember Lazar, he is not in any yearbooks, nor are there records of him attending, and he cannot remember the year he obtained his masters. He is also not a member of any professional bodies. MIT has confirmed that there is no way to expunge someone from their records.[4]

My guess is he may have come in to do some contract work; and embellished everything else. He can claim anything he wants and state that the government is covering it all up. Some people literally make a career out of it.

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar



My guess is he may have come in to do some contract work; and embellished everything else. He can claim anything he wants and state that the government is covering it all up. Some people literally make a career out of it.

Sure that's possible. I keep an open mind on it because their things he could not possibly have known about in 1989.. Nobody heard of S4 prior to his revelation and fact people at Los Alamos remember him as a physicist does leave it open he could have got recruited to work at area 51..

His education is problematic. However, still, he got work at Los Alamos only the very best scientists work so he has to be bright and knowledgeable about this work.

Bob Lazar said Edward teller recruited him and when asked about him he lost his mind.

DublinWriter

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

His education is problematic. However, still, he got work at Los Alamos only the very best scientists work so he has to be bright and knowledgeable about this work.

It's bizarre that someone who claims to have BSc and MSc degrees from MIT can't name any of his professors or fellow students and doesn't hold any personal copies of his dissertations.

I believe Lazar to be a fantasist who did actually work in S4, but only as a photo-lab technician.

Ipso

Given the Bigelow and DeLonge cash floating around, he’s probably after a pievce of the action.

Gonad

Did he pass lie detector tests ?

I always believe what he says . Something about him comes across as truthful yet his answers to certain questions were always very vague .

It’s an interesting one . He’s either a very good liar and totally mad in the head . Or he is telling the truth . I would love to see his questions on lie detector , did hey ask him if he was truthful about his education ?

Cheerful Spring

DublinWriter wrote: »

It's bizarre that someone who claims to have BSc and MSc degrees from MIT can't name any of his professors or fellow students and doesn't hold any personal copies of his dissertations.

I believe Lazar to be a fantasist who did actually work in S4, but only as a photo-lab technician.

It is one of the reasons why his story is problematic. You're right though how does one lose them? He should have a record of his schooling.

I would not bet any money on it Lazar is the real deal personally.

The nine alien ships in a hanger always felt like a bull**** story for me personally.

The only reason I open-minded about him. One Physicist Dr Robert Krangle ( the real deal) who worked at Los Alamos, said he saw Bob attend high-level meetings with Physicists.

Bob name was listed as a Worker at Los Alamos. Does this prove he worked on Alien ships no but he was definitely working at Los Alamos Labs.

The last reason. Bob was arrested for installing cameras in a prostitute business, he was brought in on charges of pandering. The court tried to attain his employment history and the government would not release all the records for security reasons. If there was a time to find out if Lazar was a loon that would have been the time.

DublinWriter

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

One Physicist Dr Robert Krangle ( the real deal) who worked at Los Alamos, said he saw Bob attend high-level meetings with Physicists.

Krangle only stated that he attended base security briefings with Lazar and had no idea what Lazar worked at.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The court tried to attain his employment history and the government would not release all the records for security reasons.

Again, look at a facility the size of Los Alamos. It would require a lot of contract support workers for general maintenance and operations - not everyone employed there would be a top-level scientist. I do think Lazar worked there, but was a Walter Mitty type photo-lab operative.

Cheerful Spring

DublinWriter wrote: »

Krangle only stated that he attended base security briefings with Lazar and had no idea what Lazar worked at.


Again, look at a facility the size of Los Alamos. It would require a lot of contract support workers for general maintenance and operations - not everyone employed there would be a top-level scientist. I do think Lazar worked there, but was a Walter Mitty type photo-lab operative.

Not in an interview I heard. It was meeting for Physicists he said. I think it was an interview on Open minds or show like that.

I not a true believer in Lazar story, I just keep an open mind.

DublinWriter

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Not in an interview I heard. It was meeting for Physicists he said. I think it was an interview on Open minds or show like that.

http://www.openminds.tv/physicist-claims-bob-lazar-did-work-at-los-alamos/34156

"Not only did he look the part, but Krangle says he attended security meetings with Lazar. He explained that in these meetings “they give you the usual briefing asking you not to talk about that you are doing or seeing.”

As for what specifically Lazar was working on, Krangle says, “I didn’t know what he was up to anymore than he knew what I was up to.”

Cheerful Spring

DublinWriter wrote: »

http://www.openminds.tv/physicist-claims-bob-lazar-did-work-at-los-alamos/34156

"Not only did he look the part, but Krangle says he attended security meetings with Lazar. He explained that in these meetings “they give you the usual briefing asking you not to talk about that you are doing or seeing.”

As for what specifically Lazar was working on, Krangle says, “I didn’t know what he was up to anymore than he knew what I was up to.”

Did you listen to the interview with Corbell?

Dr Krangle said was security meetings and commander meetings for workers, not the janitor would attend. He also learned from people working there Bob was a Physicist.

Quote from him.
Corbell asked Krangle directly if he knew Lazar to be working as a physicist at Los Alamos, to which Krangle says he was certain.

None of this info proves Bob claim of working on the alien craft propulsion system.

Cheerful Spring

I watched half of the documentary last night.

One of Bob claims was verified in this documentary.

Bob claimed in the 80s to gain access to the place he worked, you place your hand on a scanner and light would scan the bones of your hand to identify you.

What I found interesting the Skeptics said Bob lied and this device never existed. This Corbell guy somehow got photographs of this device at area 51, with manufacturer name listed on the device and just like what Bob described in the 80s. He showed this to Bob and he said thats it.

Since this hand scanner bone device was not known about in 1989, it an interesting revelation.

I also did not know a Los Alamos paper in 1982 listed him as a physicist- this was seven years before he revealed the UFO story.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I watched half of the documentary last night.

One of Bob claims was verified in this documentary.

Bob claimed in the 80s to gain access to the place he worked, you place your hand on a scanner and light would scan the bones of your hand to identify you.

What I found interesting the Skeptics said Bob lied and this device never existed. This Corbell guy somehow got photographs of this device at area 51, with manufacturer name listed on the device and just like what Bob described in the 80s. He showed this to Bob and he said thats it.

Since this hand scanner bone device was not known about in 1989, it an interesting revelation.

I also did not know a Los Alamos paper in 1982 listed him as a physicist- this was seven years before he revealed the UFO story.

The Identimat was not a classified / secret device. It was widely used in 70s in government buildings, universities, private companies (payroll, cafeterias etc). Featured (and pictured) in many technology magazines at the time. It even featured in a scene in Close Encounters (1977).

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1973/Radio-Electronics-1973-07.pdf (page 6)

Cheerful Spring

Deleted User wrote: »

The Identimat was not a classified / secret device. It was widely used in 70s in government buildings, universities, private companies (payroll, cafeterias etc). Featured (and pictured) in many technology magazines at the time. It even featured in a scene in Close Encounters (1977).

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1973/Radio-Electronics-1973-07.pdf (page 6)

Interesting find. From what I found out about it was only in circulation in the 80s, they designed a prototype in the 70s. It only evidence AREA used the device in the 80s, so. I say it was an expensive machine to own back then.

Why did Skeptics claim a device like it never existed? Since this 70s and 80s Bob had to hear about it I guess, there was no internet to research this.

RayCun

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why did Skeptics claim a device like it never existed?

The 'Skeptics' were running a false flag operation to discredit real skeptics.

The Nal

RayCun wrote: »

The 'Skeptics' were running a false flag operation to discredit real skeptics.

FYI - He doesn't understand what a sceptic is.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Interesting find. From what I found out about it was only in circulation in the 80s, they designed a prototype in the 70s. It only evidence AREA used the device in the 80s, so. I say it was an expensive machine to own back then.

Why did Skeptics claim a device like it never existed? Since this 70s and 80s Bob had to hear about it I guess, there was no internet to research this.

They were in use since the 70s in all kinds of mundane applications.

"The oldest ongoing general application of biometrics belongs to the University of Georgia which, in 1973, installed the Identimat from Identimation to restrict entry into its all you can eat dining halls."

link

University dining hall...not exactly a top-secret facility.

Hedgelayer

Oddly enough when you get as far as 1 minute 43 seconds on the clip in the original post, the background landscape looks like Mulloughmore, Glenquin Co Clare

NIMAN

Gonad wrote: »

Did he pass lie detector tests ?

I always believe what he says . Something about him comes across as truthful yet his answers to certain questions were always very vague .

It’s an interesting one . He’s either a very good liar and totally mad in the head . Or he is telling the truth . I would love to see his questions on lie detector , did hey ask him if he was truthful about his education ?

I'm going with both.

Cheerful Spring

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm going with both.

Bob passed lie detector tests. So he truly believes the story his telling. He was also listed as a Physicist in 1982- this was seven years before he revealed the S4 story to George Knapp. He also was lisited in the Los Alamos laboratory phonebook. The Lab administration denied at the beginning an employee named Robert Lazar worked for them. The Court was also refused access to his work logs, the government told a judge they can't be released due to national security concerns. He also knew the security guy who hired employees to work at Area 51, George Knapp tracked the man done in the late 90s and he said he knew Bob Lazar. These are a few facts that support his story.

The only downside to Bob Story is his educational background, investigators can't find records he went to MIT or Cal-Tec and there no picture or video of Bob working at Area 51. He not a bull****ter about everything, the problem is there no conclusive evidence he worked at S4 trying to dupicate Alien technoloy.

Cheerful Spring

Deleted User wrote: »

They were in use since the 70s in all kinds of mundane applications.

"The oldest ongoing general application of biometrics belongs to the University of Georgia which, in 1973, installed the Identimat from Identimation to restrict entry into its all you can eat dining halls."

link

University dining hall...not exactly a top-secret facility.

Bob said this in the 80s, before the internet. The Skeptics said there was no such device. All this proves is his claim was correct the device existed.

Overheal

Bob passed lie detector tests. So he truly believes the story his telling.

Because polygraphs are infallible and admissible as legal evidence.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Bob said this in the 80s, before the internet. The Skeptics said there was no such device. All this proves is his claim was correct the device existed.

Can you source 'the skeptics' (or even a skeptic) saying the device did not exist?

You did not need the internet to be aware of the Identimat, and you did not need to work in a secret facility. See my posts above.

DublinWriter

Again, I do believe BL worked at A51, but as a photo-lab technician via a sub-contractor.

It's the only qualification of his that can be publically verified.

He's a fantasist in all else, using his tenuous connection with the facility for gain.

Polygraph tests are bunk. Even advocates claim they are only 60% accurate at best, so you might as well just flip a coin.

Sin City

Quick question about his education

Surely if he didnt go to MIT Caltech or some other high brow university
How would he have gotten a job at S4

Surely the USG wouldnt hire a physicist out of some micky mouse community college

RayCun

Sin City wrote: »

Quick question about his education

Surely if he didnt go to MIT Caltech or some other high brow university
How would he have gotten a job at S4

Surely the USG wouldnt hire a physicist out of some micky mouse community college

If he was hired by a sub-contractor to be a photo lab technician, community college would be enough

Sin City

RayCun wrote: »

If he was hired by a sub-contractor to be a photo lab technician, community college would be enough

Was he a photo lab tech though

wasnt he brought into meetings with other physicists ?

RayCun

Sin City wrote: »

Was he a photo lab tech though

wasnt he brought into meetings with other physicists ?

Someone who didn't work with him and didn't know who he was remembers seeing him in some meetings, which might not have been restricted to physicists.

And the chain of logic here is

1. a credible source saw him at some meetings
2. ....
3. Bob Lazar is a credible source on the existence os a US government alien technology research project

Step 2 had better be spectacular.

Sin City

RayCun wrote: »

Someone who didn't work with him and didn't know who he was remembers seeing him in some meetings, which might not have been restricted to physicists.

And the chain of logic here is

1. a credible source saw him at some meetings
2. ....
3. Bob Lazar is a credible source on the existence os a US government alien technology research project

Step 2 had better be spectacular.

Credible source though did say he was a physicist

RayCun

Sin City wrote: »

Credible source though did say he was a physicist

"Krangle – Well he was a physicist which, I’m a physicist. We kind of recognize each other. You know it’s the classic pocket condom with all the proper different color pens (laughter) … he fit that mold. If nobody would’ve told me he was a physicist, one look, [you would know] he’s a physicist. He’s properly dressed in geekdome.

Corbell – Did people tell you he’s a physicist? Was it ever explained to you?

Krangle – In some conversations, you know, somebody would be talking about what somebody was doing … and they’d point over … and that’s him over there.

Corbell – You have a direct individual memory of being in a security briefing at Los Alamos with Bob Lazar?

Krangle – Yeah, I remember seeing him.

Corbell – What was your impression of what Bob was doing at Los Alamos in the 80s?

Krangle – Well, at the time I was there, I really didn’t know what specifically Bob was doing, we didn’t work together, we simply crossed paths … at least in glancing view. I didn’t know what he was up to anymore than he knew what I was up to."

That's a ringing endorsement. "Yeah, I saw him around and he looked like a physicist. No, I've no idea what he worked on."



A few weeks after Corbell posted his interview with Krangle, Friedman was asked about it on the Dr. J Radio Live show:

I called [Krangle]…and I spoke with him. We had a long talk. Very comfortable talking to him. He’s a scientist who worked from time to time as a consultant to Los Alamos. And there were a couple of things that were clear. One: No surprise. He had seen Bob Lazar at Los Alamos. And I say no surprise because the phone book for Los Alamos had Bob’s name in it. There aren’t a lot of Robert S. Lazars, you know. And that was the number, as it happens, of the big, Clinton P. Anderson, Meson Accelerator. A unique nuclear physics facility. That doesn’t make him a scientist because they’ve got all types of technicians out there.

But there’s no question he was there and there’s no question he had a security clearance. You can’t get into Los Alamos and spend any time there without a security clearance! You certainly can’t work there without one. That’s the rule of the game. Whenever I visited there, when I was working on nuclear rockets for Westinghouse, our security officer had to send my credentials, an indication of my security level…my clearance level, to Los Alamos. I couldn’t get in without that.

So, okay…he verified that Bob had been seen there and that Bob had a security clearance. He was at briefings that had classified material. However(!), when I asked him, well did you check on his credentials in any way? No, of course not. Why would he? Now, he said he looked like a scientist. He had the pocket protector, the glasses. Everybody thought of him as doing some kind of scientific work and I’ve never denied that.

He’s bright. He built a jet-powered car. He puts on fireworks displays. I don’t doubt that he did some technical work at Los Alamos. But how you go from that to back engineering flying saucers?

There's no reason to believe he had to have a degree from Caltech to do the work he was doing, because there's no evidence that he was doing anything amazing. And even if he had a degree from Caltech and a dog ate the records, no reason to believe he was working with alien technology, except he says he was.

Boxing.Fan

Well, what are peoples thoughts on the documentary?

The Nal

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Well, what are peoples thoughts on the documentary?

An embarrassment to everyone involved.

Boxing.Fan

The Nal wrote: »

An embarrassment to everyone involved.

Only seen the first few minutes of it last night, fell asleep.

Bob defo seems like a fraud.

Panrich

Here’s an interesting parallel to this story that I found online

https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/

Fusitive

gerrybbadd wrote: »

What i always found fascinating about Bob was how he spoke about Element 115, decades before it was actually added to the periodic table.

This is one of those cases where credibility is given on face level rather than understanding. Bob Lazar supporters say that the existence of Element 115 proves his story I.e because an element with a 115 protons exists, Bob is right.

Well, the problem is that since the 60's, scientists believed that elements with atomic numbers as high as 126 existed. They did not believe that the periodic table ended at 106. In fact, element 116 livermorium was added before element 115. If I say element 123 is used in UFO propulsion and it is discovered in 30 years time, does that give me credibility? The answer is no.

So we have to dig deeper to see if the claims are credible and match up. Bob Lazar said that element 115 could not be synthesised in a lab and could only be found in high mass star systems. This claim is untrue in many respects.

A)It has been only been discovered in labs and has not been discovered in nature due to it's unstable and short-lived nature.

B)It is not present in high mass stars because the heaviest element in the fusion process is Iron because anything heavier takes more energy than it gives.

C)The only place that element 115 does occur is in Supernovas but it is extremely unstable and it's half-life is only milliseconds which is why it is undetectable in nature yet NASA managed to collect 500lbs of 115 within a milliseconds of a supernova and stored it?(as Bob said it wasn't possible to synthesis in a lab and only from nature, NASA must have been harvesting supernovas)

D)Bob claimed that they could store 115 for years to power spacecraft's, if a stable isotope of 115 exists that was present for decades, it should be readily discovered in nature from the remnants of supernovas but it's not.

E)Bob claimed that 115 had a melting point of 3000k when it really has a melting point of 670k

Element 115 is a red herring sold to truthers as the ultimate validation of Lazar's claims when the reality is that a small bit of scratching beneath the surface, it shows he's talking nonsense.

Cheerful Spring2

Fusitive wrote: »

This is one of those cases where credibility is given on face level rather than understanding. Bob Lazar supporters say that the existence of Element 115 proves his story I.e because an element with a 115 protons exists, Bob is right.

Well, the problem is that since the 60's, scientists believed that elements with atomic numbers as high as 126 existed. They did not believe that the periodic table ended at 106. In fact, element 116 livermorium was added before element 115. If I say element 123 is used in UFO propulsion and it is discovered in 30 years time, does that give me credibility? The answer is no.

So we have to dig deeper to see if the claims are credible and match up. Bob Lazar said that element 115 could not be synthesised in a lab and could only be found in high mass star systems. This claim is untrue in many respects.

A)It has been only been discovered in labs and has not been discovered in nature due to it's unstable and short-lived nature.

B)It is not present in high mass stars because the heaviest element in the fusion process is Iron because anything heavier takes more energy than it gives.

C)The only place that element 115 does occur is in Supernovas but it is extremely unstable and it's half-life is only milliseconds which is why it is undetectable in nature yet NASA managed to collect 500lbs of 115 within a milliseconds of a supernova and stored it?(as Bob said it wasn't possible to synthesis in a lab and only from nature, NASA must have been harvesting supernovas)

D)Bob claimed that they could store 115 for years to power spacecraft's, if a stable isotope of 115 exists that was present for decades, it should be readily discovered in nature from the remnants of supernovas but it's not.

E)Bob claimed that 115 had a melting point of 3000k when it really has a melting point of 670k

Element 115 is a red herring sold to truthers as the ultimate validation of Lazar's claims when the reality is that a small bit of scratching beneath the surface, it shows he's talking nonsense.

Bob credibility is not based on just element 115. Los Alamos labs denied for years Bob worked there. Investigation by George Knapp and discovery by him of a phonebook proved Robert Lazar was an employee. Unfortunately it does not give his job title, but there number beside his name, so obviously his employment was not a janitor. Why deny his employment in the first place if just nonsense?

It not proof he worked on alien spaceships, but it gave some legitimacy to his claim of being a worker at LOS alamos labs,which the company denied originally.

The Nal

Hes laughing all the way to the bank.

Cheerful Spring2

Panrich wrote: »

Here’s an interesting parallel to this story that I found online

https://richarddolanmembers.com/articles/article-ufo-leak-of-the-century-richard-dolan-analyzes-the-admiral-wilson-leak/

This story is about US having alleged crashed UFOs. Essentially a leak of notes Eric Davis, a government scientist made after a meeting with Thomas Ray Wilson who was Director of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Deputy Director of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs. A very powerful man.

He just confirmed the UFOs are real and they belong to a non human species and we have been studying the phenomeon since 1945 in a secure and secret way. Wilson also confirmed there is a secret/cabal in intelligence that manages the UFO programs and even the president of the United States is unware of it.

It got very little to do with Bob Lazar. It just Bob claims to have been involved in one of these alleged classified programs.

Cheerful Spring2

RayCun wrote: »

That's a ringing endorsement. "Yeah, I saw him around and he looked like a physicist. No, I've no idea what he worked on."



A few weeks after Corbell posted his interview with Krangle, Friedman was asked about it on the Dr. J Radio Live show:




There's no reason to believe he had to have a degree from Caltech to do the work he was doing, because there's no evidence that he was doing anything amazing. And even if he had a degree from Caltech and a dog ate the records, no reason to believe he was working with alien technology, except he says he was.

This is true, but remember Los Alamos labs denied anyone called Robert Lazar worked for them. They did so for years. It took a long time to find something and eventually George Knapp secured a phonebook belonging to the lab from the time Bob alleged he was there. He found bob name in the book and had a phone number listed. So someone at Los Alamos was pretending he never worked there. Agreed its a huge leap to believe he worked with alien technology, but there is evidence Los Alamos labs was trying to cover up he worked there.

Plus Bob named the guy who hired him to work at S4 and nobody could find him. Now they have found him, but his not willing to come forward yet. He just confirmed for George Knapp he worked at Area 51. This only George word right now but if he does come forward on camera he be a big deal. He was guy who interviewed candidates for S4 at Area51 so he likely has lot of documentation and first hand knowledge of the classified programs.

I'm 50/50 about Lazar. I would not rule it out either he is mirage man-who has counter intelligence ties and spreads fake UFO stories, but there is evidence to suggest he not a bull****ter. For one he worked in places he said was at and was listed as physicist in Los Alamos paper

JACK BE NIMBLE

IMHO I believe that Lazar has convinced himself of what he's saying, I think hes delusional and people - Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, etc, etc are making a lot of money from this grand story, with even a little bit of investigation it would be obvious that his story holds no water.
In terms of his academic achievements being erased from history - let's say this happened (I don't believe it did), how did the powers that be also manage to erase any photos of him from yearbooks, erase all his hard copies of his diplomas, time-tables, his dorm mates, etc.???

Close Encounters Identimat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlmY5eDwmZE
Electronics mag from 1973, have a look at pg. 6: http://www.qrzcq.com/mirrors/www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1973/Radio-Electronics-1973-07.pdf

What really annoys me is people like Knapp and Corbell saying "yes, his academic background is a little hazy, but he's been identified in a newspaper as a physicist", FFS, he told the newspaper he was a physicist, also if he didn't attend Cal-tech or MIT and receive the respective degrees then how can he be considered a physicist? If i can make a deck in my garden that doesn't make me a carpenter and so I can't apply for a job as one!!

This link was written from an actual physicist who has done his homework on Lazar, much better investigative work done in this article than Corbell has demonstrated: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

Cheerful Spring2

JACK BE NIMBLE wrote: »

IMHO I believe that Lazar has convinced himself of what he's saying, I think hes delusional and people - Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, etc, etc are making a lot of money from this grand story, with even a little bit of investigation it would be obvious that his story holds no water.
In terms of his academic achievements being erased from history - let's say this happened (I don't believe it did), how did the powers that be also manage to erase any photos of him from yearbooks, erase all his hard copies of his diplomas, time-tables, his dorm mates, etc.???

Close Encounters Identimat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlmY5eDwmZE
Electronics mag from 1973, have a look at pg. 6: http://www.qrzcq.com/mirrors/www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Electronics/70s/1973/Radio-Electronics-1973-07.pdf

What really annoys me is people like Knapp and Corbell saying "yes, his academic background is a little hazy, but he's been identified in a newspaper as a physicist", FFS, he told the newspaper he was a physicist, also if he didn't attend Cal-tech or MIT and receive the respective degrees then how can he be considered a physicist? If i can make a deck in my garden that doesn't make me a carpenter and so I can't apply for a job as one!!

This link was written from an actual physicist who has done his homework on Lazar, much better investigative work done in this article than Corbell has demonstrated: http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/

Reasonable position you have taken there. Lazar has failed to produce the evidence he went to MIT or Caltech. There parts of his story that don't make lot of sense to me mostly about what he saw at S4. The nine craft in hangars, that never felt real to me. Where and exactly did they find nine separate alien craft?

I still open he worked at Area 51. It not unreasonable if he worked at Los Almos labs, he may have got a job doing something at Area 51?

There some truth to his story and there bull**** mixed in also- thats why his story has believers still.

I'm 50/50- but often lean to he may be a bull****ter or a paid UFO disinformation agent. But i also keep an open mind.

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Forget about this- Bob Lazar appeared on Joe Rogan recently and had a chat about his story. Joe seemed convinced it was legit.

He sticking to same story, even if its all bull****. Keeping this up for decades is impressive if you think about it.