Dumping dead calves in a river

TomOnBoard

What is the logic behind doing this? Is it just to save the cost of calling out a knackery/ disposal service?

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/it-is-totally-illegal-angler-catches-man-dumping-dead-calves-in-river-36974366.html

Lady Haywire

TomOnBoard wrote: »

What is the logic behind doing this? Is it just to save the cost of calling out a knackery/ disposal service?

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/it-is-totally-illegal-angler-catches-man-dumping-dead-calves-in-river-36974366.html

I don't get his logic tbh. As he cut the ears off, the calves must have been tagged. So they're either a) not registered and tagged which is a little odd or b) registered and he's going to need to get new tags for calves to pretend they're the dead ones.

Surely some abnormality will show up as someone is going to be ordering a lot of replacement tags in doubles? Look at breeds of the calves in the surrounding area and you'd narrow the search. Take away any folk who've used knackery services in the last while and search is narrowed again. And yes it's most likely to avoid cost of disposal.

Say my name

TomOnBoard wrote: »

What is the logic behind doing this? Is it just to save the cost of calling out a knackery/ disposal service?

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/it-is-totally-illegal-angler-catches-man-dumping-dead-calves-in-river-36974366.html

It's to save the taxi fare to St.Patrick's mental health hospital.
It says as much in the article from the angler talking to the individual.

It's just a pity there's animals involved.

Morris Moss

TomOnBoard wrote: »

What is the logic behind doing this? Is it just to save the cost of calling out a knackery/ disposal service?

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/it-is-totally-illegal-angler-catches-man-dumping-dead-calves-in-river-36974366.html

The lad who saw him should have got his reg and reported him straight away, that'd make ya mad, no regard for animals or the river itself.

Tigerandahalf

If a lad is barely scraping by the cost of a knackery could be an issue. How much is the call out? Surely knackery charges should be covered by the dept or a levy on every animal sold in a mart.

Wasn't there a thread here recently about a person whose dog was bringing back bones of dead calves. Well there is her answer.

Hurling Hereford

A couple of years in the 'Joy' would sort them buckos out fairly lively. Giving us all a very bad name

Reati

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

If a lad is barely scraping by the cost of a knackery could be an issue. How much is the call out? Surely knackery charges should be covered by the dept or a levy on every animal sold in a mart.

Does "a lad barely scrapping by" justify this?

_Brian

If the ears are off I presume they were tagged.
Would they have been bvd tested, could they be traced through these samples or would they already be disposed of.

TheBoyConor

This is a disgraceful way to carry on. Scummy behaviour with absolutely no regard for the environment, public health or reputation of farming.

And to say "his head want in the right place" when caught red handed is a slap in the face to those who genuinely suffer with mental illness.

This clown should have the book thrown at him and be hit with every applicable penalty available in such a circumstance.

And even he was to the pin of his collar with costs and felt he had no option but to carry out an illegal disposal, he sure as hell went for the worst, most damaging, most dangerous and most likely to be caught out option with the river dump - surely to God he could have dug a hole in the farm and buried the calf. That would be far, far less damaging than a river dump.

Tigerandahalf

Reati wrote: »

Does "a lad barely scrapping by" justify this?

A lot of the lads in rural areas especially older farmers aren't well educated and were brought up in an era where dumping was rife. Foxes and badgers die in river glens and their bodies rot there. Many farmers would have left calves out for scavengers in times past.

I don't know the cost of a knackery call out but it is an expense and it could also take some days for them to call out. No farmer wants the smell of a rotten carcass around with young kids and pets around too.

Lady Haywire

_Brian wrote: »

If the ears are off I presume they were tagged.
Would they have been bvd tested, could they be traced through these samples or would they already be disposed of.

If they were tagged and unreg though the samples mightn't have been sent off. However DNA might show something up if anything was in the genomics scheme or off a stock bull.

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

A lot of the lads in rural areas especially older farmers aren't well educated and were brought up in an era where dumping was rife. Foxes and badgers die in river glens and their bodies rot there. Many farmers would have left calves out for scavengers in times past.

I don't know the cost of a knackery call out but it is an expense and it could also take some days for them to call out. No farmer wants the smell of a rotten carcass around with young kids and pets around too.

Are you actually trying to justify this?? Yea, maybe you can't afford the cost of a knackery lorry but you can drive off in some vehicle that can carry dead animals and dump them somewhere else. Sure, in times past they were left for scavengers- but this is 2018.....I'm sure they had enough sense 50yrs ago to not throw them in a river!!
Sell some live stock to free up some cash flow, don't just dump your shíte somewhere out of sight, out of mind. Jesus.

Say my name

If you owe a fortune in bank loans. Is there a clause to postpone payment or perhaps entering into bankruptcy on account of being in St.Pats?
Kind of like a certain radio presenter spending time in Wales job.

whelan2

If a farmer has had a lot of farm deaths they will more than likely get an inspection. It's €25 to get rid of a calf. If you have more than one for the same collection it's still €25 so I can't see the cost of disposal to be breaking anyone

emaherx

whelan2 wrote: »

If a farmer has had a lot of farm deaths they will more than likely get an inspection. It's €25 to get rid of a calf. If you have more than one for the same collection it's still €25 so I can't see the cost of disposal to be breaking anyone

If it's calves it's only €10 if you deliver to our local knackery. If I have a dead calf normally just throw in back of Jeep and drop off.

Say my name

The perpetrator wanted to get caught.

That's a given.
As was said a hole would be dug otherwise if it was to be a fraud job. The cutting the ears off was just to further their own case of insanity and make it look like an attempted fraud.
The guards probably already know who it is by now anyway.
I mean even the angler could have took out his phone and took his picture or filmed the whole thing and probably the angler did we just don't know it from press.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into an attempt of insanity for unknown reasons and maybe the individual IS actually insane.