Bishop Alphonsus Cullinan condemns ‘jumping and roaring’ over poll result

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The Catholic Bishop of Waterford has questioned the ability of Irish people to think critically, accusing some Yes voters in last week’s abortion referendum of “culpable ignorance”.

With all the talk during the campaign “people cannot claim ignorance. If they do it is culpable ignorance. This is a very serious issue and if people have knowingly and willingly voted Yes, well then they have to examine their conscience, go before the Lord and say, Lord we got this wrong. I do believe that.”

Such people “should talk to the priest, they should go to confession” before receiving Communion.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishop-condemns-jumping-and-roaring-over-poll-result-1.3516704


He wants people to think critically, to examine their conscience!
Do they not understand that their influence belongs in the past? If people thought critically about religion and the horror’s it has caused it would disappear. It is incomprehensible that they come out with stronger responses to this than their own criminal past.

We know what the church is capable of covering up. They need to be fully investigated as the Royal commission in Australia has discovered. Thankfully from next year they will no longer control admission to primary schools, after trying to block abortion, Gay rights, etc.


Extracts from the conclusion of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse's report


This case study exposed a catastrophic failure in the leadership of the Diocese and ultimately in the structure and culture of the Church over decades to effectively respond to the sexual abuse of children by its priests. That failure led to the suffering and often irreparable harm to children, their families and the wider community. That harm could have been avoided if the Church had acted in the interests of children rather than in its own interests.


Euphemistic and elliptical language was often used in correspondence and minutes to mask the true nature of the conduct discussed. There was repeated reference to ‘pressures’, ‘strains’ and unspecified ‘problems’. On occasions, records were deliberately not made or kept or were destroyed.
The result of these inexcusable failures was that more children were sexually abused by Catholic clergy in the Diocese. There was a catastrophic institutional failure which resulted in many children being sexually abused. We heard about the devastating, often lifelong, consequences in the lives of those children. The welfare of children was not the primary concern of Bishop Mulkearns and other senior members of the Diocese when responding to complaints and allegation of child sexual abuse against their priests. There is no doubt it should have been.

Further reading


"The accounts were depressingly similar. Children were ignored or worse, punished. Allegations were not investigated. Priests and religious (members) were moved.
"The parishes or communities to which they were moved knew nothing of their past.
"Documents were not kept or they were destroyed. Secrecy prevailed as did cover ups. Priests and religious (members) were not properly dealt with and outcomes were often not representative of their crimes. Many children suffered and continue as adults to suffer from their experiences in some Catholic institutions." — Senior Counsel Assisting Gail Furness, February 6 2017.

And
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-38877158

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I’d rather be ignorant than a paedophile rapist

Conservatory

If people stopped clicking articles about what priests say the newspapers wouldn’t give them a soapbox.

DickSwiveller

Great, another thread for the atheists to bash Catholics

He's right, anyway. Bunch of weirdos celebrating abortion

TheValeyard

Didn't we already have a thread on this?

FutureGuy

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Great, another thread for the atheists to bash Catholics

He's right, anyway. Bunch of weirdos celebrating abortion

Thanks for an insightful post, DickSwiveller.

judeboy101

Apparently abortion clinics are a good place to meet loose women.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYIF1ntrCA

DickSwiveller

FutureGuy wrote: »

Thanks for an insightful post, DickSwiveller.

Thank you. Do the Richard Dawkins wannabes not get tired of endlessly sneering at people? And isn't it funny. If these same posters spoke about muslims the way they do about Catholics I imagine there would be plenty of bans handed out.

Captain Obvious

It did seem a bit odd seeing people cheering and crying over the result.

gctest50

bulls!tbusted ! :


https://www.thejournal.ie/hov-bishop-factcheck-3620053-Sep2017/

FutureGuy

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Thank you. Do the Richard Dawkins wannabes not get tired of endlessly sneering at people? And isn't it funny. If these same posters spoke about muslims the way they do about Catholics I imagine there would be plenty of bans handed out.

I never get tired of sh!tting all over a group responsible for babies in septic tanks, sexually abusing children, covering up that abuse, allowing scientific experiments to be done on kids, forcing unmarried mothers into slave Labour, selling babies and, you know, attempting (miserably) to halt progress.

I also never tire of listening to the damning silence and reading the misdirection attempts of the flock. That tells me all I need to know.

EDIT: and as for your “but but Muslim” comments, don’t see Muslims in Ireland throwing babies into septic tanks?

This bishop should look closer to home. He’ll find a million things to condemn.

Muzzymor

People should be clear about what they believe is being done in an abortion so we can make an informed decision about their morals when they celebrate abortion.
If you believe an unborn child isnt a life, celebrate away. If you believe it is and you still celebrate, you are twisted.

A few decades ago abortion fans liked to proclaim that aborted fetuses were just "clumps of cells" but not so much anymore. Why not?

RustyNut

Muzzymor wrote: »

People should be clear about what they believe is being done in an abortion so we can make an informed decision about their morals when they celebrate abortion.
If you believe an unborn child isnt a life, celebrate away. If you believe it is and you still celebrate, you are twisted.

A few decades ago abortion fans liked to proclaim that aborted fetuses were just "clumps of cells" but not so much anymore. Why not?

People weren't celebrating abortion they were celebrating choice.

DickSwiveller

FutureGuy wrote: »

I never get tired of sh!tting all over a group responsible for babies in septic tanks, sexually abusing children, covering up that abuse, allowing scientific experiments to be done on kids, forcing unmarried mothers into slave Labour, selling babies and, you know, attempting (miserably) to halt progress.

I also never tire of listening to the damning silence and reading the misdirection attempts of the flock. That tells me all I need to know.

EDIT: and as for your “but but Muslim” comments, don’t see Muslims in Ireland throwing babies into septic tanks?

This bishop should look closer to home. He’ll find a million things to condemn.

Well, I can't do anything about your level of intolerance. It's pointless to even try to. You seem incapable of separating the church from people within the church; societal norms at the time and a host of other factors. As I said, if there is one thing I've learnt over the years it is that the internet atheist is the most closed minded person and impossible to engage with. So, we'll leave it at that.

Poor_old_gill

Maxim Elegant Ship wrote: »

I’d rather be ignorant than a paedophile rapist

You're raping paedophiles?

Thats a novel approach to turn the tables on them

DickSwiveller

RustyNut wrote: »

People weren't celebrating abortion they were celebrating choice.

choice to have an abortion

Mr. CooL ICE

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