Changes to crewcab VRT in August 2018?

colm_mcm

Saw an ad on Facebook saying VRT on crew vans increasing on 31/07. Anyone have any info on this?

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Cee-Jay-Cee

I once saw on facebook that VRT was illegal and that we should all stop paying it...what rubbish.

Daxve

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-01-31a.187

Section 130 of the Finance Act 1992 as amended by section 53 of the Finance Act 2017 provides that from 31 July 2018 N1 vehicles with 4 or more seats will be liable to VRT at the Category A rate except where the vehicle has a BE bodywork code. The BE bodywork code is assigned at type approval stage to N1 vehicles where the vehicle does not exceed 3,500 kilograms, and where the seating positions and the cargo area of the vehicle are not located in a single compartment. N1 vehicles with a BE bodywork code and N1 vehicles with 3 or fewer seats will continue to benefit from the Category B rate of VRT. These provisions will ensure that the lower rate of VRT will continue to apply to vehicles that are designed principally for the carriage of goods.
These rules do not exclude the installation of rear seating in 4x4 vehicles but the VRT category may change where seating is installed.

Pkiernan

Does this mean that drew cab pickup like VW Amoraks for example will continue to attract a 13% rate?

R.O.R

Pkiernan wrote: »

Does this mean that drew cab pickup like VW Amoraks for example will continue to attract a 13% rate?

Yes, but the likes of a transit crew cab will go up by thousands.

colm_mcm

Would the likes of a transit connect crewcab already be on the 13% rate ROR?
I know you’re on about the full size or custom.

Widdensushi

So the likes of a transporter crewcab will be going from 13 to 27 percent vrt for most of the engine range from what i can see.So a 7 percent rise,vat goes on after that depending whether its a business or not,does that sound right?

colm_mcm

Widdensushi wrote: »

So the likes of a transporter crewcab will be going from 13 to 27 percent vrt for most of the engine range from what i can see.So a 7 percent rise,vat goes on after that depending whether its a business or not,does that sound right?

i thought what was happening is some crewcab that pay €200 VRT won’t anymore, I probably wrong there

R.O.R

colm_mcm wrote: »

Would the likes of a transit connect crewcab already be on the 13% rate ROR?
I know you’re on about the full size or custom.

Yep, currently they are classified as N 1 type so 13.3% VRT, but will be going to co2 based Vrt.

colm_mcm

R.O.R wrote: »

Yep, currently they are classified as N 1 type so 13.3% VRT, but will be going to co2 based Vrt.

Oh wow. Massive price hike for the likes of a Land Cruiser so.

enumbers

Just had a traffic crew cab to be vrted today will be charged at 27 percent so double what it was under the previous system

enumbers

Seems pretty punitive for business users

enumbers

Anyone got any ideas on the logic on this , why are van models and jeep models been treated differently. Surely the government should be encouraging more efficient vans rather than crewcab jeeps

R.O.R

enumbers wrote: »

Anyone got any ideas on the logic on this , why are van models and jeep models been treated differently. Surely the government should be encouraging more efficient vans rather than crewcab jeeps

Are Van's and SUV's being treated differently? As far as I'm aware, the only commercial vehicles available now that have more than 1 row of seats, are classified as Pick Up's.

The passenger area and load area need to be separate physical structures rather than being separated by a Bulkhead, so there's no Van Crew Cabs and No SUV Crew Cabs.

enumbers

R.O.R wrote: »

Are Van's and SUV's being treated differently? As far as I'm aware, the only commercial vehicles available now that have more than 1 row of seats, are classified as Pick Up's.

The passenger area and load area need to be separate physical structures rather than being separated by a Bulkhead, so there's no Van Crew Cabs and No SUV Crew Cabs.

Sorry I meant that they are forcing business users to buy pickup jeeps rather than SUV's, it seems crazy to keep changing the rules rather than enforcing the ones they have to stop people abusing the system

Widdensushi

R.O.R wrote: »

Are Van's and SUV's being treated differently? As far as I'm aware, the only commercial vehicles available now that have more than 1 row of seats, are classified as Pick Up's.

The passenger area and load area need to be separate physical structures rather than being separated by a Bulkhead, so there's no Van Crew Cabs and No SUV Crew Cabs.

2018 five seat discovery crew cabs comercial tax are still for sale so its still very grey area.

enumbers

Widdensushi wrote: »

2018 five seat discovery crew cabs comercial tax are still for sale so its still very grey area.

My understanding was that all were still available to tax commercially

Widdensushi

enumbers wrote: »

My understanding was that all were still available to tax commercially

My understanding was the new model could only be a two seat commercial.

R.O.R

Widdensushi wrote: »

2018 five seat discovery crew cabs comercial tax are still for sale so its still very grey area.

Not officially from LandRover dealers. I think there may have been some imported and for sale from a non-franchise dealer, but they will either have been registered before the 30th July, or are now liable to VRT / Road Tax at Co2 rates.

The change to the N1 classification (which allowed Crew Cab 'Jeeps') was an EU vehicle classification, which ceased on the 31st July. Nothing to do with the Irish Government.

enumbers

As I said earlier I understand the jeep /SUV's rules but surely a van derived crew cab is as entitled to commercial vrt as a pickup seems like a total fudge of a ruling

R.O.R wrote: »

Not officially from LandRover dealers. I think there may have been some imported and for sale from a non-franchise dealer, but they will either have been registered before the 30th July, or are now liable to VRT / Road Tax at Co2 rates.

The change to the N1 classification (which allowed Crew Cab 'Jeeps') was an EU vehicle classification, which ceased on the 31st July. Nothing to do with the Irish Government.

sonnybill

I’m vat registered , I have Swb Land cruiser where I cannot isolate air bag to carry my son, can I buy a lwb passenger land cruiser from uk and have her made into a commercial any more?

colm_mcm

sonnybill wrote: »

I’m vat registered , I have Swb Land cruiser where I cannot isolate air bag to carry my son, can I buy a lwb passenger land cruiser from uk and have her made into a commercial any more?

Only to make into a 2 seater.
Otherwise a Hilux is an option, as is a Land Cruiser crewcab that’s already registered as such.

sonnybill

colm_mcm wrote: »

Only to make into a 2 seater.
Otherwise a Hilux is an option, as is a Land Cruiser crewcab that’s already registered as such.

So not enough room/volume in rear to to be a proper commercial . But if I buy a commercial in uk it’s just E200 to convert to Irish

colm_mcm

No, you just can’t convert passenger stuff into crewcab anymore. Not size related.
If you buy a 2 seater commercial in the uk, or get a uk passenger one converted before you register, it’s €200 VRT.

Anyone that’s already been converted and registered here you can continue to reclaim vat and tax commercially. There may even be some new ones still for sale.

marty whelan

Colm would this https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/applying-the-tax.aspx
Indicate that a vehicle must have less than 4 seats initially for the 200 vrt to apply? As in, could you buy passenger jeep in UK, and convert it here to 2 seater and avail of 200 Vrt?

colm_mcm

marty whelan wrote: »

Colm would this https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/applying-the-tax.aspx
Indicate that a vehicle must have less than 4 seats initially for the 200 vrt to apply? As in, could you buy passenger jeep in UK, and convert it here to 2 seater and avail of 200 Vrt?

No you couldn’t.

sonnybill

colm_mcm wrote: »

Only to make into a 2 seater.
Otherwise a Hilux is an option, as is a Land Cruiser crewcab that’s already registered as such.

Would there be much difference going from a 3.0 l Swb to a 2.5l hilux I wonder ?! Or would the 3.0 hilux be a must for towing / farm use ?! Thanks , looking at 2010 -14 hiluxes in uk

colm_mcm

I haven’t driven the newer 2.5, I have driven the 09 one and didn’t rate it, it would have been 3.0 all the way for me. I think it was 120 bhp or so when I drove one, but later ones were more powerful.