Turas nua.... I already have a full time job

Wildone2013

Hi,

Basically two months ago I got a letter pleased to inform me that I have been allocated a meeting. First problem, I already have a part time job and I do a part time course. I explained this to them and they said to notify DSP which I did and they had no record of any course so I provided more proof and they left me alone until yesterday.
They made a meeting and scheduled it for a day I am in work, also I informed them that in August I have been told I will have full time employment and will be signing off social welfare altogether. The girl from turas nua said it doesn’t matter I will have to attend anyway. In addition to all that I also have some heavy personal stuff going on. I have just graduated from my course can they not just leave me be till August? I also said I won’t be signing ANYTHING they stick in front of me as well be seen from other posts that people get stung.

Any advice much appreciated!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Telling them that you'll have full time work in 2 or 3 months' time isn't enough to get you out of attending as they have no idea whether that's the case or not. However, if you're working and can't attend, tell them that. There's no way Social Welfare would instruct you to forego a day's work to turn up for that.

As for refusing to sign anything, that's your own decision.

Glenn Coco

If you're working part time, you can just attend on your days off? Especially now that you have more free time as your course is over? If I were you, I would just show up to the meetings until your job starts in August, it's only a couple of months, it would keep the dept happy and your payment won't be effected. There is no way of getting out of the process once you are selected, bar signing off the live register. If you don't want to attend, then that's your only option. But for the sake of an hour a week, and continuing to receive your payment, for 8 or so weeks, I would just attend, rather than bring myself to DSP's attention.
As for signing, the PPP isn't compulsory, but engaging with them is. Have you thought about what you might get put of them? Is there any training that might help you in your new role that they can facilitate?

Wildone2013

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

Telling them that you'll have full time work in 2 or 3 months' time isn't enough to get you out of attending as they have no idea whether that's the case or not. However, if you're working and can't attend, tell them that. There's no way Social Welfare would instruct you to forego a day's work to turn up for that.

As for refusing to sign anything, that's your own decision.

I have a letter from my job stating I will be starting full time work in August, I wonder would that help? I get some people would try get out of it tha5 don’t want o work, I’m annoyed at the fact I’m working part time and was doing college till last week and have a full time job confirmed.... Yet I know people that refuse to work and they haven’t been sent on anything.... That’s Ireland for ya eh?

Wanderer78

My turas Nua survival guide:

Get a new phone/SIM, in your case, you may need to get a new personal phone/SIM, and to transfer all your personal communications to this new phone/SIM, and only use your old phone/SIM for turas Nua communications. Discard this phone/SIM upon completion of the turas Nua/joppath process.

Create a new email address, if you have already shared your existing address with turas Nua, continue to use it, but only exclusively during the process, i.e. consider creating a new address exclusively for personal use, and delete the turas Nua address upon completion.

Record and save all communications with turas Nua, secretly if possible, including phone calls.

At beginning of the process, you will be assigned a one on one person, they will begin by asking you a questionnaire, which will include work related questions and activities but also personal questions, some very personal. If needs be, lie!

If you find full time employment yourself, without the help of turas Nua, and have completely signed off welfare, ignore all communications from them thereafter.

Best of luck

Wildone2013

Glenn Coco wrote: »

If you're working part time, you can just attend on your days off? Especially now that you have more free time as your course is over? If I were you, I would just show up to the meetings until your job starts in August, it's only a couple of months, it would keep the dept happy and your payment won't be effected. There is no way of getting out of the process once you are selected, bar signing off the live register. If you don't want to attend, then that's your only option. But for the sake of an hour a week, and continuing to receive your payment, for 8 or so weeks, I would just attend, rather than bring myself to DSP's attention.
As for signing, the PPP isn't compulsory, but engaging with them is. Have you thought about what you might get put of them? Is there any training that might help you in your new role that they can facilitate?

Thanks for the advice... I guess you’re right. I’ve literally just finished training for this role 3years of blood stress and tears! So no there’s nothing more I can learn for my new role as I’ve gone as far as I can go by means of education. I know how to write a cv and cover letter and have no issues with interview skills or communication with others. Just seems pretty pointless and my place could go to someone that could actually engage with them.

Wildone2013

Wanderer78 wrote: »

My turas Nua survival guide:

Get a new phone/SIM, in your case, you may need to get a new personal phone/SIM, and to transfer all your personal communications to this new phone/SIM, and only use your old phone/SIM for turas Nua communications. Discard this phone/SIM upon completion of the turas Nua/joppath process.

Create a new email address, if you have already shared your existing address with turas Nua, continue to use it, but only exclusively during the process, i.e. consider creating a new address exclusively for personal use, and delete the turas Nua address upon completion.

Record and save all communications with turas Nua, secretly if possible, including phone calls.

At beginning of the process, you will be assigned a one on one person, they will begin by asking you a questionnaire, which will include work related questions and activities but also personal questions, some very personal. If needs be, lie!

If you find full time employment yourself, without the help of turas Nua, and have completely signed off welfare, ignore all communications from them thereafter.

Best of luck

Thanks for the tip.... I am hoping that my days will increase so will only have to attend a few times, fingers crossed! They already have my phone number but I will block them from calling it when I finish up. I told the girl on the phone today I can’t attend the first meeting because of work, and also that I will not be signing anything and she didn’t seem happy, but feck them!

Johnnycanyon

Wanderer78 wrote: »

My turas Nua survival guide:

Get a new phone/SIM, in your case, you may need to get a new personal phone/SIM, and to transfer all your personal communications to this new phone/SIM, and only use your old phone/SIM for turas Nua communications. Discard this phone/SIM upon completion of the turas Nua/joppath process.

Create a new email address, if you have already shared your existing address with turas Nua, continue to use it, but only exclusively during the process, i.e. consider creating a new address exclusively for personal use, and delete the turas Nua address upon completion.

Record and save all communications with turas Nua, secretly if possible, including phone calls.

At beginning of the process, you will be assigned a one on one person, they will begin by asking you a questionnaire, which will include work related questions and activities but also personal questions, some very personal. If needs be, lie!

If you find full time employment yourself, without the help of turas Nua, and have completely signed off welfare, ignore all communications from them thereafter.

Best of luck

I went one better when I was with these parasites... I told them I had no phone and was totally computer illiterate... I gave them a very basic employment history and told them I had basic education..they asked me how I could be contacted and I told them I had a functional post box..the last time I was there they had changed over to digital signature for their (illegal) contract .. I explained to them that being computer illiterate I was unable to use the mouse to sign so they signed my name themselves.. I have since been told that this is totally illegal.. Anyway am free from them now since starting work last month.. I signed off by post and have recently had a letter from TN with a new appointment and a handwritten note asking me to contact them which will never happen.

fritzelly

Part time job - still claiming some benefit?
Doing a course really has nothing to do with it if you are still claiming welfare
Offer of a full time job is just that - an offer - could be sacked the same day or you could leave it yourself
Play the game, as already said it's an hour a week if even that (isn't it every 2 or 3 weeks you have to attend an "interview"?)

Wildone2013

fritzelly wrote: »

Part time job - still claiming some benefit?
Doing a course really has nothing to do with it if you are still claiming welfare
Offer of a full time job is just that - an offer - could be sacked the same day or you could leave it yourself
Play the game, as already said it's an hour a week if even that (isn't it every 2 or 3 weeks you have to attend an "interview"?)

I am claiming some benefit yes. I understand what you’re saying about being sacked or walking out but trust me that wouldn’t happen as I pretty much have job security for as long as I want the role. I will attend the meetings but I won’t be conned into signing a contract with them and certainly won’t allow them to take credit for my efforts over the last 3 years. When I can I work extra and don’t get paid from SW for those weeks, I will see what they say when I go in, it won’t be for another 3 weeks now as I am going to be working 5 days a week plus a weekend or two so definitely won’t have time for them.

Wanderer78

Glenn Coco wrote: »

If you're working part time, you can just attend on your days off? Especially now that you have more free time as your course is over? If I were you, I would just show up to the meetings until your job starts in August, it's only a couple of months, it would keep the dept happy and your payment won't be effected. There is no way of getting out of the process once you are selected, bar signing off the live register. If you don't want to attend, then that's your only option. But for the sake of an hour a week, and continuing to receive your payment, for 8 or so weeks, I would just attend, rather than bring myself to DSP's attention.
As for signing, the PPP isn't compulsory, but engaging with them is. Have you thought about what you might get put of them? Is there any training that might help you in your new role that they can facilitate?

this is untrue, i know a couple of people who were successful in being removed from the process, one on health grounds and the other signed up to a course

Wildone2013

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this is untrue, i know a couple of people who were successful in being removed from the process, one on health grounds and the other signed up to a course

I said to them I have a job lined up, with proof and they basically said tough you have to attend while getting SW. Just feels pointless for me to attend. It’s all a numbers game

Wanderer78

Wildone2013 wrote: »

I said to them I have a job lined up, with proof and they basically said tough you have to attend while getting SW. Just feels pointless for me to attend. It’s all a numbers game

unfortunately it is, i know another chap that spent a year with them, saying, it completely wasted his time, he was already doing what they were getting him to do, i.e. searching for jobs online, only they were 'supervising him'. thankfully hes on a ce scheme now, and happy out. he did say he got some useful courses done through them, and got some very useful licences renewed etc, so maybe look into that while there

Wildone2013

Wanderer78 wrote: »

unfortunately it is, i know another chap that spent a year with them, saying, it completely wasted his time, he was already doing what they were getting him to do, i.e. searching for jobs online, only they were 'supervising him'. thankfully hes on a ce scheme now, and happy out. he did say he got some useful courses done through them, and got some very useful licences renewed etc, so maybe look into that while there

It’s a complete waste of time. I’ve got everything I need to have for my job, so anything else would be pointless as it would never be used l. I’ve manual handling, first aid, HACCP, child protection, Aistear training, and a full level 5 & 6. Nothing more to do

Glenn Coco

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this is untrue, i know a couple of people who were successful in being removed from the process, one on health grounds and the other signed up to a course

One on health grounds - would have to go on another payment, illness or disability, so signed off the live register. If on Jobseekers, you must be fit for work, if you are not, you are not entitled to Jobseekers. An alternative payment must be applied for in order to keep receiving some form of payment.
One on a course - course would have to have been approved by DSP, prior to selection, if full time - you're no longer on the live register, if part time you would still have to attend JP meetings. If the course was attained through TN, you are still on their books, and will have to re-attend on completion. TN can refer to a course up to 26 weeks.:

Wanderer78

Glenn Coco wrote: »

One on health grounds - would have to go on another payment, illness or disability, so signed off the live register.
One on a course - course would have to have been approved by DSP'S, prior to selection, if full time - you're no longer on the live register, if part time you would still have to attend JP meetings. If the course was attained through TN, you are still on their books, and will have to re-attend on completion. TN can refer to a course up to 26 weeks.:

thank you, this is correct, an interesting spin, turas nua wouldnt actually accept the doctors certificate of sickness!

Glenn Coco

How long was the cert for? Did you speak to your local office? A short term cert should be accepted no problem, but if the cert is long term, you may be deemed not fit for work and have to look at an alternative payment. If TN are being unreasonable you should always speak to your local office. There is normally a dedicated staff member there, that will deal with JobPath queries.

Wanderer78

Glenn Coco wrote: »

How long was the cert for? Did you speak to your local office? A short term cert should be accepted no problem, but if the cert is long term, you may be deemed not fit for work and have to look at an alternative payment. If TN are being unreasonable you should always speak to your local office. There is normally a dedicated staff member there, that will deal with JobPath queries.

please be aware, this is not me, ive never had the 'pleasure' of dealing with turas nua. im not sure of the exact details, but i think it was a long term certificate, but i heard a recording of the conversation. it can be clearly heard coming from the manager/supervisor of this particular turas nua office saying, a doctors cert is not a valid document within that particular office, and the 'participant' will have to continue with the process. i believe the participant indeed contacting their local welfare office, which was completely baffled by this predicament, giving no advice, saying, 'but they cant do that, its a doctors cert'! intimidation can be heard in the recordings, it caused great stress for the person in question.

Glenn Coco

That's terrible.I would strongly urge that person to contact their local office. Nobody should be made to feel like that.

Wanderer78

Glenn Coco wrote: »

That's terrible.I would strongly urge that person to contact their local office. Nobody should be made to feel like that.

its a good while ago now, im fairly sure all has been sorted now, but hearing the recording was a little disturbing. i believe they even considered legal action but opted not to due to the stress and cost involved.

PTH2009

I had my ES meeting this week and you swear u get a job instantly. No mention of actually having to do the interview

I work part time and my hours vary each week. Turas nua are haunting me