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Suggested updates for Sticky on "Free-To-Air Tuning Guide"
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29-05-2018 2:06am#1
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AwaitYourReply wrote: »Sticky on the "Free-To-Air Tuning Guide" is long overdue an update as much of the channel tuning content has since become outdated due to changes in the media broadcasting landscape especially after the major reshuffle of SKY Television's electronic programme guide back on 1st May 2018 which has led to a whole host of changes.
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The Sky EPG has nothing at all to do with it IMO.
All the rest of that post seems very applicable.
Are you volunteering for the job of keeping it updated?
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Johnboy1951 wrote: »The Sky EPG has nothing at all to do with it IMO.
All the rest of that post seems very applicable.
Are you volunteering for the job of keeping it updated?
I'm aware that the Sky EPG does not usually require viewers of the need to manually tune in various satellite channels as that is one of the advantages of using the system particularly when channels switch to other satellite transponders from time to time. I stopped using my generic free-to-air receiver a few years ago as I got fed up of having to constantly restore lost satellite channels so; I reverted to an old Sky+HD digibox for viewing free-to-air channels.
Major changes to the Sky EPG such as the most recent on 01/05/2018 can have indirect consequences for broadcasters channels even outside of the Sky platform as that is probably one of the main vehicles showcasing their channel offering whether we like it or not although; things are gradually changing with streaming and so on as broadband speeds improve particularly in larger urban areas.
The existing sticky is probably out of date by about 2-3 years and I just thought it was worth mentioning for new visitors to this forum. My observations do not reflect every single change and it is open to corrections and further improvements going forward.
My suggestions posted herein are my contribution towards any future updates to the "Free-To-Air Tuning Guide" sticky should anyone wish to take up the baton.
Happy viewing!
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AwaitYourReply wrote: »I'm aware that the Sky EPG does not usually require viewers of the need to manually tune in various satellite channels as that is one of the advantages of using the system particularly when channels switch to other satellite transponders from time to time. I stopped using my generic free-to-air receiver a few years ago as I got fed up of having to constantly restore lost satellite channels so; I reverted to an old Sky+HD digibox for viewing free-to-air channels.
Major changes to the Sky EPG such as the most recent on 01/05/2018 can have indirect consequences for broadcasters channels even outside of the Sky platform as that is probably one of the main vehicles showcasing their channel offering whether we like it or not although; things are gradually changing with streaming and so on as broadband speeds improve particularly in larger urban areas.
The existing sticky is probably out of date by about 2-3 years and I just thought it was worth mentioning for new visitors to this forum. My observations do not reflect every single change and it is open to corrections and further improvements going forward.
My suggestions posted herein are my contribution towards any future updates to the "Free-To-Air Tuning Guide" sticky should anyone wish to take up the baton.
Happy viewing!
I am still not getting it.
I do not see how Sky making changes to their own proprietary EPG can have any consequences for the likes of me using my non-Sky FTA system.
I honestly could not care less how Sky arranges its EPG .... it just has no effect on me at all.
And yes, in case I was not clear above, I did appreciate the information you posted.
Hopefully the main sticky can be updated to reflect the current status.0 -
Johnboy1951 wrote: »I am still not getting it.
I do not see how Sky making changes to their own proprietary EPG can have any consequences for the likes of me using my non-Sky FTA system.
I honestly could not care less how Sky arranges its EPG .... it just has no effect on me at all.
And yes, in case I was not clear above, I did appreciate the information you posted.
Hopefully the main sticky can be updated to reflect the current status.
Satellite channels which broadcast on a free-to-air basis are often viewed on platforms such as Sky etc; and their position on the epg does count for viewers and yes I appreciate you are not interested as it does not apply directly to you. However; there can be unintended benefits for free-to-air viewers on non-Sky FTA systems when for example broadcasters make changes on platforms like Sky when a dispute over carriage fees happen.
Discovery have many encrypted channels and following a public dispute with Sky, it resulted in Quest, Quest+1, Quest Red, Quest Red+1 all going free-to-air which resulted in the channel being FTA on satellite even for non-Sky FTA system users. Sony Channel used be soft encrypted (Freesat frm sky) as you had to have a Sky viewing card and this went free-to-air in recent months when it was re-branded as Sony Crime Channel, Sony Crime Channel +1 and Sony Crime Channel 2.0 -
AwaitYourReply wrote: »Satellite channels which broadcast on a free-to-air basis are often viewed on platforms such as Sky etc; and their position on the epg does count for viewers and yes I appreciate you are not interested as it does not apply directly to you. However; there can be unintended benefits for free-to-air viewers on non-Sky FTA systems when for example broadcasters make changes on platforms like Sky when a dispute over carriage fees happen.
Discovery have many encrypted channels and following a public dispute with Sky, it resulted in Quest, Quest+1, Quest Red, Quest Red+1 all going free-to-air which resulted in the channel being FTA on satellite even for non-Sky FTA system users. Sony Channel used be soft encrypted (Freesat frm sky) as you had to have a Sky viewing card and this went free-to-air in recent months when it was re-branded as Sony Crime Channel, Sony Crime Channel +1 and Sony Crime Channel 2.
So a dispute over money Sky wanted to charge to be on its EPG led to some channels going FTA.
That those channels took that decision, led to the SKY EPG change (dropping the non-payers I guess), and those watching FTA got the benefit from the decision to go FTA.
The change to the SKY EPG was a consequence of a commercial decision.
The extra FTA channels was also a consequence of that decision.
The Sky EPG change did not impact on those watching FTA ..... except maybe it made things more awkward for the Sky customers (but I do not know that as I do not pay Sky a subscription) ....... it was the decision to go FTA that had the impact.
Of course I might add a little 'thank you' to Sky for forcing the issue with their money-grabbing ways. 0 -
Johnboy1951 wrote: »So a dispute over money Sky wanted to charge to be on its EPG led to some channels going FTA.
That those channels took that decision, led to the SKY EPG change (dropping the non-payers I guess), and those watching FTA got the benefit from the decision to go FTA.
The change to the SKY EPG was a consequence of a commercial decision.
The extra FTA channels was also a consequence of that decision.
The Sky EPG change did not impact on those watching FTA ..... except maybe it made things more awkward for the Sky customers (but I do not know that as I do not pay Sky a subscription) ....... it was the decision to go FTA that had the impact.
Of course I might add a little 'thank you' to Sky for forcing the issue with their money-grabbing ways.
Oh, I'm on your side when it comes to avoiding a Sky subscription contract as I grew tired of their never-ending commercial adverts & promotions. I use Saorview for my Irish TV channels and an old Sky+HD receiver for digital satellite tv channels using Free-To-View (FTV) card which also gives me: SONY Movie Channel and it's timeshift version along with Insight HD and YESTERDAY+1 timeshift along with some UK local channels like London Live, Made TV, STV2 etc; although the UK local tv channels are below par for the most part.
After RTÉ/TV3/TG4, I'll happily watch the BBC News Channel, BBC/ITV/Channel 4/Channel 5 more often these days to avoid the long & repetitive Sky branded advertising for it's premium services like Sky Store, Sky Sports, Sky Cinema, Sky Sports Box Office output which I have no interest in subscribing to.
It must have been hard for Sky to broadcast any of it's channels: PICK, PICK+1 (formerly Sky3), Challenge, Challenge+1 on a free-to-air basis. Of course, Sky News has always been available free-to-air on the Astra satellite system (standard definition) since it's inception way back in February, 1989 presumably because it traditionally served as an attractive showcase for Sky branded products & services aimed at those who do not currently subscribe to their offerings.0 -
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AwaitYourReply wrote: »Oh, I'm on your side when it comes to avoiding a Sky subscription contract as I grew tired of their never-ending commercial adverts & promotions. I use Saorview for my Irish TV channels and an old Sky+HD receiver for digital satellite tv channels using Free-To-View (FTV) card which also gives me: SONY Movie Channel and it's timeshift version along with Insight HD and YESTERDAY+1 timeshift along with some UK local channels like London Live, Made TV, STV2 etc; although the UK local tv channels are below par for the most part.
After RTÉ/TV3/TG4, I'll happily watch the BBC News Channel, BBC/ITV/Channel 4/Channel 5 more often these days to avoid the long & repetitive Sky branded advertising for it's premium services like Sky Store, Sky Sports, Sky Cinema, Sky Sports Box Office output which I have no interest in subscribing to.
It must have been hard for Sky to broadcast any of it's channels: PICK, PICK+1 (formerly Sky3), Challenge, Challenge+1 on a free-to-air basis. Of course, Sky News has always been available free-to-air on the Astra satellite system (standard definition) since it's inception way back in February, 1989 presumably because it traditionally served as an attractive showcase for Sky branded products & services aimed at those who do not currently subscribe to their offerings.
I have an Eir sports card in a Sky HD box, which gives me the Eir/BT Sports channels as well as the Sony Movie Channel & its +1.
I have never bothered to add in extra channels ....... which I believe might be necessary to get Insight HD & Yesterday +1, as I don't recall seeing them on the EPG.
That box is fed into a HDMI to DVB-T converter so the box itself is tuned in like any Saorview channel, with the Sky remote used to change from Sport to Sony etc while viewing. It is by no means ideal.
It would be so much better if I could find a means to use a different STB than the Sky box.
I find the Sky box greatly frustrating to use ...... I like to jump around channels a lot so its doubly frustrating.
Other than the Eir card I watch only FTA (Saorview and Astra).
I only use the Eir card rarely because I need to use the Sky box to do so and it is just too much hassle to be bothered.
If I could properly integrate the 'Eir Card' channels into the rest of the system I would indeed be happy, but I guess that is never going to happen.0 -
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mackersdublin wrote: »Motorsport TV has been FTA since December 2017
Yeah I just listed the channels I have set in favourites so that explains why it was listed 0 -
Johnboy1951 wrote: »I have an Eir sports card in a Sky HD box, which gives me the Eir/BT Sports channels as well as the Sony Movie Channel & its +1.
I have never bothered to add in extra channels ....... which I believe might be necessary to get Insight HD & Yesterday +1, as I don't recall seeing them on the EPG.
That box is fed into a HDMI to DVB-T converter so the box itself is tuned in like any Saorview channel, with the Sky remote used to change from Sport to Sony etc while viewing. It is by no means ideal.
It would be so much better if I could find a means to use a different STB than the Sky box.
I find the Sky box greatly frustrating to use ...... I like to jump around channels a lot so its doubly frustrating.
Other than the Eir card I watch only FTA (Saorview and Astra).
I only use the Eir card rarely because I need to use the Sky box to do so and it is just too much hassle to be bothered.
If I could properly integrate the 'Eir Card' channels into the rest of the system I would indeed be happy, but I guess that is never going to happen.
As it happens, I also have a free subscription to eir Sports 1, eir Sports 2HD, all BT Sports channels, Box Nation but I rarely use it because I have a Free-To-View card (same as Freesat frm sky) inserted in a Sky+HD box and it's too messy swapping different cards as it is switching between Sky UK/Sky ROI EPG menus. The thing with the card used to unscramble eir Sports is that it is specific to the SKY ROI EPG only as SKY UK would not receive eir Sports for broadcasting rights reasons. Some channels were never put on the Sky ROI EPG although; they may still be available as free-to-air channels if manually tuned and stored in the "Other Channels" section on a Sky set-top-box. For example all of the Channel 5 suite has never officially launched on Sky Ireland and neither has ITV network now that I recall (i.e.) Channel 5, Channel 5+1, 5Star, 5Star+1, 5USA, 5USA+1, 5SELECT, 5Spike, and it remains to be seen if the new "Paramount Network" will appear on the Sky Ireland EPG as it is due to go on Sky Channel 159 from 4th of July as a free-to-air channel in the UK. The channel number is currently used by "Together" (The Community Channel) but this will change by 4th of July.
The card you referred to is possibly a former Sky ROI subscription card or one that was received for access to "freeview" programmes broadcast on the old Setanta Sports channels (later taken over by eir Sport) The card used to be distributed as part of the BAI Sound & Vision Fund but it would not necessarily clear all channels such as Insight HD as it uses the Sky ROI EPG channel menu. Sometimes certain channels can be manually tuned and then stored in the "Other Channels" menu but might only clear if the appropriate smart card is already inserted when not broadcast on a free-to-air basis. Insight HD (SKY 451) is down as free-to-view and YESTERDAY+1 (SKY 261 Ireland) is also the same.
I find the below link a useful guide for checking broadcast status of channels on Sky.
https://www.tvchannellists.com/List_of_channels_on_Sky_(UK_and_Ireland)
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Johnboy1951 wrote: »There is no content.
I love this forum, thanks-at least I don't have to reset my tv trying to find something that isn't there
It was on Spikes previous tuning earlier, but disappeared after the a team.0 -
ballyharpat wrote: »I love this forum, thanks-at least I don't have to reset my tv trying to find something that isn't there
It was on Spikes previous tuning earlier, but disappeared after the a team.
Paramount absorbed both Spike and Spike+1 into Paramount+1, which is transmitted alongside Paramount on the same transponder - 10964H 0
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