Putting lamb out of it's misery

ShowMeTheCash

Just want to ask a question around the best thing to do here:


A few weeks ago a woman landed to my door in a bit of a state.
She had basically run over a lamb.
So I go up and the lamb is clearly in shock, still alive but its back end is crushed.


What is the correct thing to do in this situation?

davo2001

What did YOU do?

ShowMeTheCash

davo2001 wrote: »

What did YOU do?

I took it to a neighbor who knew more about.
He later told me he had to put it down.


What would you do? Or what is the right thing to do?


I thought about calling a vet, but it was the evening then having to find the place..... I live in a very remote part of Donegal.... Other option would just to leave it there and let it bleed out... Not a nice way to go either.

patsy_mccabe

Poor devil. How would you euthanize a lamb at farm level? Meat cleaver?

ShowMeTheCash

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Poor devil. How would you euthanize a lamb at farm level? Meat cleaver?

I would assume it would require a blow to the head.
Not a clever but perhaps a sledge or some kind of rock hammer....


The reason I post the question.


I have since seen the farmer who thinks "I should if just left it where it was"... For the craic I might tell him next time I see him "I got a call from that woman, she wants your number" when he asked why i am going to say "Turns out there is some serious damage to her porsche"



Farmers out here and I have had experience with this is in the past.
If an animal causes damage they will either deny they own the animal or you will more or less have to take them to court to get them to pay anything.


One farmer out here actually made the paper not so long ago for cruelty to animals...

Say my name

Contact the owner.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

Contact the owner.

Easier said than done



There are a dozen farmers in the area, tried phoning the one I know, he messaged me the next day so he was not a load of help.


Turns out the farmer who owned it, is leasing land from someone out here.


Farmers let their sheep roam around out here to graze, they do their best to remain anonymous...


The sheep where not penned in, they where grazing at the road side.

Say my name

Ispca then.

http://www.ispca.ie/

It's not your decision to make to put down someone else's animal or not. You'll only bring a sh1t storm down on top of your head.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

Ispca then.

http://www.ispca.ie/

It's not your decision to make to put down someone else's animal or not. You'll only bring a sh1t storm down on top of your head.

I call the ISPCA over horses last year as they where wandering around for weeks in the area.


ISPCA where to call out later in the week, they never showed up.


I think in reality what you are really saying is, I should of just left it to die at the side of the road.


I would of went up the next day and the thing would probably of been flattened into the road.....

TheBoyConor

if it is commonage grazing or just in uplands, then it's quite common for sheep to not be fenced in.

If I were in your situation I would just put the poor devil out of it's misery and let it be. What difference would it make to the farmer - the poor lamb was dead either way.

Say my name

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

I call the ISPCA over horses last year as they where wandering around for weeks in the area.


ISPCA where to call out later in the week, they never showed up.


I think in reality what you are really saying is, I should of just left it to die at the side of the road.


I would of went up the next day and the thing would probably of been flattened into the road.....

It's not your problem and you haven't got the authority to make that call whether to put down that animal or not.

I presume the second thing that woman did after she called to your house when she found out you had no idea who owned the animal, was call the guard's?

D3V!L

Say my name wrote: »

It's not your problem and you haven't got the authority to make that call whether to put down that animal or not.

I presume the second thing that woman did after she called to your house when she found out you had no idea who owned the animal, was call the guard's?

Authority ?? What if it was a dog ? would you just let it bleed out and suffer. Sometimes the best and moral thing to do isn't the "right" thing.

Say my name

D3V!L wrote: »

Authority ?? What if it was a dog ? would you just let it bleed out and suffer. Sometimes the best and moral thing to do isn't the "right" thing.

This is not the wild west.
You can't have private individuals going around with shotguns or meat cleavers taking it upon themselves without the owner's knowledge or not even alerting the authorities putting down animals.

What's the first thing you do if you hit a farm animal on a road?

Call the guards would be the normal response.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

It's not your problem and you haven't got the authority to make that call whether to put down that animal or not.

I presume the second thing that woman did after she called to your house when she found out you had no idea who owned the animal, was call the guard's?

Just to be clear, animal was crushed, it's guts where hanging out of the back of it, but it was still trying to get up.



What are the gaurd's going to do?


The gaurds would not come out for that......

I hit a dog once in the town, called the gaurds, they asked me was I ok? Was anybody hurt? I said no, they then asked so what is it you want us to do?

Ultimate Seduction

If it happens on a public road you are obliged to tell the guards. They take care of it.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

This is not the wild west.
You can't have private individuals going around with shotguns or meat cleavers taking it upon themselves without the owner's knowledge or not even alerting the authorities putting down animals.

What's the first thing you do if you hit a farm animal on a road?

Call the guards would be the normal response.

At best you would be told is, would be to call a vet.


In this instance getting a vet at 8:30 in the evening to call out, probably would of been dead by the time they got here if I could get one to call out.



But let's say he was still alive, vet would of put the animal down, I would of been handed a vet bill for the call out.


I would of then spent weeks trying to find the farmer who owned the lamb to get him to pay the vet bill.

Bullocks

You could try and get hold of the vet to take care of it . ( They would usually be available out of hours ) or a blow to the head . It's not a nice thing to do to any animal though so you better be sure you can carry it out swiftly and as painless as possible on the animal before attempting it or the animal will suffer even more aswell as traumatising yourself after

ShowMeTheCash

Bullocks wrote: »

You could try and get hold of the vet to take care of it . ( They would usually be available out of hours ) or a blow to the head . It's not a nice thing to do to any animal though so you better be sure you can carry it out swiftly and as painless as possible on the animal before attempting it or the animal will suffer even more aswell as traumatising yourself after

My neighbour is a butcher but worked in a "kill" or an abattoir. I figured he knew what to do and the reason I took it to him. For me it was the fastest and most humane solution.

Say my name

This must be the stupidest thread on boards.
There's obviously no gardai in the country.

It must be in Donegal.

I recommend the op buys a machete for such incidents in the future.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

This must be the stupidest thread on boards.
There's obviously no gardai in the country.

It must be in Donegal.

I recommend the op buys a machete for such incidents in the future.

It is Donegal.


It is only stupid because you seem to be completely ignorant of some of the troubles people facing in rural communities.



Gardi would have to have been called from a station almost 30 miles away, for a lamb that is on the side of the road, in a place where and no joke it took an ambulance 2 hours to find... true story!


Where do you live?

Muckit

Are you seeking any bereavement counselling at all?

Say my name

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

It is Donegal.


It is only stupid because you seem to be completely ignorant of some of the troubles people facing in rural communities.



Gardi would have to have been called from a station almost 30 miles away, for a lamb that is on the side of the road, in a place where and no joke it took an ambulance 2 hours to find... true story!


Where do you live?

In a house.

Look even if the guards can't make it they'll tell yourself and the driver what to do.

I recommend you carry the purchased machete around in the boot of your own car in case you have any such incidents yourself.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

In a house.

Look even if the guards can't make it they'll tell yourself and the driver what to do.

I recommend you carry the purchased machete around in the boot of your own car in case you have any such incidents yourself.

I have lived in the country most of my life, the lamb situation is the first time I have had to deal with a larger animal.
In my 20 years of driving I have hit a cat once and a dog twice.


I called the guards for the dog, they did not tell me what to do, they asked questions that seemed pertinent to them, once they established no person was hurt and no damage to property I was on my own.


You appear not to be in a position to give any advice as you really do not know what you are talking about.....


Generally I only comment on boards in areas I can be off assistance or I know something about it. If you have something to add then cool else maybe best to say nothing.


Carrying a machete about in ones boot is idiotic, also if you had to dispatch of an animal a machete would not be the way to go about it.

ShowMeTheCash

Muckit wrote: »

Are you seeking any bereavement counselling at all?

Yeah I am on the HSE waiting list.... Could be waiting a while!

Bass Reeves

The animal was badly injured it could take hours to die. If it was me I would have found a suitable object, a tyre wrench or a stone and dispatched it as quick and as humanly as possible. Anything was better than letting it die for an hour. The guards or a vet would be an hour arriving. If you feel you could not do this and that is no fault of the person involved they should carry it to someone that can dispatch it. OP you did the best for the animal involved. No need for machetes or cleavers. A Stanley blade would dispatch it as well in a few minutes but bleeding it out faster.

Butcher Boy

one tap of a hammer between the eyes and it was all over.

Say my name

Is anyone wondering why the woman driver with serious damage to her Porsche never called the Guards?

patsy_mccabe

Say my name wrote: »

Is anyone wondering why the woman driver with serious damage to her Porsche never called the Guards?

Drink.

Say my name

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Drink.

Donegal more like!

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

Is anyone wondering why the woman driver with serious damage to her Porsche never called the Guards?

Would require a mobile signal for a start.

ganmo

So how are you now going to find the owner?
And are you going to call the knacker?

Similar happened to us years ago...a bleeding heart saw a lamb that couldn’t get out of the river(on our ground) called the local spca...they put the lamb down without contacting anyone that would know who’s lamb or land it was. And we never got a report as to how bad the lambs contrition actually was

ShowMeTheCash

ganmo wrote: »

So how are you now going to find the owner?
And are you going to call the knacker?

Similar happened to us years ago...a bleeding heart saw a lamb that couldn’t get out of the river(on our ground) called the local spca...they put the lamb down without contacting anyone that would know who’s lamb or land it was. And we never got a report as to how bad the lambs contrition actually was

My mistake I think in the end was actually trying to find out who the owner was and letting him know.


I spoke to one farmer he was fit to tell me who owned it, the lamb was put back close to where it was hit but not on the road, it was gone the next day so I am assuming he figured it was just hit by a car.


But the butcher let him know what happened and what had to be done, I found out later that the farmer was not happy that I lifted and took it to him the in the first place..... And that I should of just left it.

Say my name

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Would require a mobile signal for a start.

Jaysus you really are up against it up there.
First you opened a thread wondering if a woman driving a Porsche and badly injured a sheep on the road and then she came to your door that what would anyone do.

Contact the owner of the sheep was mentioned.
Answer: Nope I don't know the owner.

Contact the ispca was mentioned.
Answer: Nope they won't come out if I did contact them.

Contact the Gardai was mentioned to report the accident and see what they say before doing anything and if you could read between the lines on that, cover your own ass.
Answer: Nope they wouldn't come out and it would be a waste of time.

Now that the wonderment of the woman herself why her first or second instinct wasn't to alert the authorities that her precious expensive car was damaged on the road by her running into a sheep and how she at least would be covered by insurance is mentioned the answer is ..
Answer: No mobile phone signal.

Donegal really is a tough place.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

Jaysus you really are up against it up there.
First you opened a thread wondering if a woman driving a Porsche and badly injured a sheep on the road and then she came to your door that what would anyone do.

The porsche part was a joke, it was a small car.

Say my name wrote: »

Contact the owner of the sheep was mentioned.
Answer: Nope I don't know the owner.

Correct - That would of been the easiest thing to do and attempts where made.

Say my name wrote: »

Contact the ispca was mentioned.
Answer: Nope they won't come out if I did contact them.

Nearest office is 45 miles away, it was late evening and from past experience they did not come out.

Say my name wrote: »

Contact the Gardai was mentioned to report the accident and see what they say before doing anything and if you could read between the lines on that, cover your own ass.
Answer: Nope they wouldn't come out and it would be a waste of time.

30 miles out - Not going to be much help and from experience they would not of come out unless, the car was wrecked and or someone was hurt.

Say my name wrote: »

Now that the wonderment of the woman herself why her first or second instinct wasn't to alert the authorities that her precious expensive car was damaged on the road by her running into a sheep and how she at least would be covered by insurance is mentioned the answer is ..
Answer: No mobile phone signal.

Her car was not damaged, this was a joke. Joke being what I might say to the farmer if I see him, farmers would be the first to try and tell you that you owe them the cost of a fence or a gate or a lamb, until they find out your lamb causes 10 grands worth of damage to your car, then its "Not my lamb"

Say my name wrote: »

Donegal really is a tough place.

Tell you a true story.
I was in Belfast one day, got a call my dad had fallen from a ladder landed on his head knocked himself out had to be rushed to hospital.


I got the call while in a meeting, dropped everything, jumped in the car drove from Belfast to Letterkenny around 110 miles give or take.


I got the call after mum phoned the ambulance. I got to the hospital 15 minutes before my Dad. That is how long it took an ambulance in Donegal to go to another part of Donegal and take someone to the hospital with a serious head and neck injury.



More recently there has been a campaign to have more defibrillator in areas like ours. You have a heart-attack here you die, you have a serious accident that is time sensitive, you die!



Just remote - and Donegal is a large county

Say my name

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

The porsche part was a joke, it was a small car.






Correct - That would of been the easiest thing to do and attempts where made.






Nearest office is 45 miles away, it was late evening and from past experience they did not come out.






30 miles out - Not going to be much help and from experience they would not of come out unless, the car was wrecked and or someone was hurt.






Her car was not damaged, this was a joke. Joke being what I might say to the farmer if I see him, farmers would be the first to try and tell you that you owe them the cost of a fence or a gate or a lamb, until they find out your lamb causes 10 grands worth of damage to your car, then its "Not my lamb"






Tell you a true story.
I was in Belfast one day, got a call my dad had fallen from a ladder landed on his head knocked himself out had to be rushed to hospital.


I got the call while in a meeting, dropped everything, jumped in the car drove from Belfast to Letterkenny around 110 miles give or take.


I got the call after mum phoned the ambulance. I got to the hospital 15 minutes before my Dad. That is how long it took an ambulance in Donegal to go to another part of Donegal and take someone to the hospital with a serious head and neck injury.



More recently there has been a campaign to have more defibrillator in areas like ours. You have a heart-attack here you die, you have a serious accident that is time sensitive, you die!



Just remote - and Donegal is a large county

When you're not truthful in a thread to start off with these "jokes" can start to tie yourself up in knots and the whole thread becomes a "joke".

I was going to come back with if the woman had a damaged car and was unable to contact the outside world, how did she move from the car or is she still there?
There's no point now you've answered it above.


You're not one of those vegan activists in disguise are you?
(Joke).

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

When you're not truthful in a thread to start off with these "jokes" can start to tie yourself up in knots and the whole thread becomes a "joke".

Not truthful? The scenario is exactly as I have described it.


I said this in the thread:


For the craic I might tell him next time I see him "I got a call from that woman, she wants your number" when he asked why i am going to say "Turns out there is some serious damage to her porsche"


I cannot help if you have a hard time following.

Say my name

Yea...Nah.. I'm done here.

ShowMeTheCash

Say my name wrote: »

Yea...Nah.. I'm done here.

I agree!

Odelay

I'll leave this here...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Yo0tWDgk

John_Rambo

ganmo wrote: »

So how are you now going to find the owner?
And are you going to call the knacker?


Similar happened to us years ago...a bleeding heart saw a lamb that couldn’t get out of the river(on our ground) called the local spca...they put the lamb down without contacting anyone that would know who’s lamb or land it was. And we never got a report as to how bad the lambs contrition actually was

We were the bleeding hearts one time canoeing a river. There was a bull mired up to his belly in water and sludge. We used our (expensive) climbing and resq throw ropes to haul him out. He was as docile as a lamb when we were helping him! Let us handle him, rope him under his belly.. really quiet and gentle bovine.

As soon as we had him in the field he turned in to a lunatic, chased us back in to the river, galloped? cantered? ran at us like we were trying to kill him!! We never got our ropes back!!!

When we eventually found the farmer he actually sat on his arse on the grass laughing, head in his hands, tears streaming down his face, ROARED laughing at us!! We found the funny side of it too of course.

(he was a gentleman, offered us payment for the ropes which we refused, but he fed us!!!)