Wicklow and Aughrim

Bonniedog

Disgraceful decision not allow Wicklow to have this game in Aughrim. Nothing to do with DCB by the way. But they should offer to play game there.

We had the Cats in Parnell last Sunday. Home game, place packed. No one suggested it be moved.

ProudDUB

Agree 100%.

It should definitley be in Aughrim.

And if some of the season ticket holders have to stand, or if all the people who want a ticket, can't get one, too bad. That's the nature of spectator sport. Sometimes, there just aren't enough tickets to go around.

sheroman01

Why do Longford have a home draw (and Wicklow looking for a home draw) yet the other two quarter finals are in neutral venues?

Coillte_Bhoy

ProudDUB wrote: »

Agree 100%.

It should definitley be in Aughrim.

And if some of the season ticket holders have to stand, or if all the people who want a ticket, can't get one, too bad. That's the nature of spectator sport. Sometimes, there just aren't enough tickets to go around.

ya but isnt it the case that season ticket holders are inaugurated a ticket so therein lies the porblem in this instance. You cant just there up the ticket conditions, for this game

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

ya but isnt it the case that season ticket holders are inaugurated a ticket so therein lies the porblem in this instance. You cant just there up the ticket conditions, for this game

Dublin have around 7,000 ST holders as far as I'm aware, while the capacity in Aughrim is around the 8,000 mark, maybe a bit more. Why not split the allocation down the middle, and let the Dubs allocate tickets to ST holders on a lottery basis. Those that miss out can use their free Championship ticket for access to the Leinster semi-final at Croker that they'll no doubt be in.

I'm sure anyone who misses out on the trip to Wicklow will get over it fairly quickly. Pack the place out down there, ramp up some atmosphere and boost the game in Wicklow by bringing the All-Ireland Champions to town. Big Championship home games can't solely be the preserve of counties with 20,000+ capacity grounds, it's against the very spirit of the GAA. Or at least, it was....

KevIRL

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

ya but isnt it the case that season ticket holders are inaugurated a ticket so therein lies the porblem in this instance. You cant just there up the ticket conditions, for this game

Precedent is already set that Season ticket holders are only guaranteed entry not a seat. Season ticket holders for Waterford v clare on Sunday week have been given standing tickets only

ProudDUB

A bit of creative thinking is required here. If the legal eagles who draw up the season ticket contacts have to get involved, than so be it. I agree that you can't change what season ticket holders are entitled to (as per the current terms and conditions of their contracts) in mid stream. So all future ST renewal contracts should be rejigged, to include a clause that you are not guaranteed a ticket, if the away game is in a ground that holds less than 10,000. The season ticket holders/Parnell Pass holders (of which I am proudly one) shouldn't be holding the entire GAA to ransom, on where the game are played.

Bonniedog

Said it before. The likely match ups in both games are going to cause massive headaches for ticketing,

Wicklow is home draw. Like PD I have Parnell pass but that's no reason for Wicklow not getting the game in Aughrim. There were lots of people turned away from Parnell last week. We had the stripey lads at home. And kept it there,

blanch152

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

I'm sure anyone who misses out on the trip to Wicklow will get over it fairly quickly.

I wouldn't. Would love to see a game in Aughrim, but it is up to the Leinster council to ensure that the money they collect from the thousands of Dublin supporters every year is used to up the standard of the county grounds. In Munster, Waterford would be the only county not able to cope with a visit from Dublin - Kerry and Cork would have two grounds. Salthill, Castelbar, Carrick-on-Shannon and the upgraded Dr. Hyde Park would be able to cope in Connacht - don't know about Sligo's ground.

In Leinster it seems from newspaper reports, there are only four able to cope. This isn't the fault of Dublin and Dublin supporters shouldn't have to suffer. Time for the Leinster Council to get the finger out.

Bonniedog

blanch152 wrote: »

I wouldn't. Would love to see a game in Aughrim, but it is up to the Leinster council to ensure that the money they collect from the thousands of Dublin supporters every year is used to up the standard of the county grounds. In Munster, Waterford would be the only county not able to cope with a visit from Dublin - Kerry and Cork would have two grounds. Salthill, Castelbar, Carrick-on-Shannon and the upgraded Dr. Hyde Park would be able to cope in Connacht - don't know about Sligo's ground.

In Leinster it seems from newspaper reports, there are only four able to cope. This isn't the fault of Dublin and Dublin supporters shouldn't have to suffer. Time for the Leinster Council to get the finger out.

Also not Wicklow's fault. When small club draw a big club in FA Cup they always get home day. No reason why it not apply to Wicklow.

Wexford wouldn't be biggest ground either so if our hurlers had big a following as footballers would you argue that be moved?

blanch152

Bonniedog wrote: »

Also not Wicklow's fault. When small club draw a big club in FA Cup they always get home day. No reason why it not apply to Wicklow.

Wexford wouldn't be biggest ground either so if our hurlers had big a following as footballers would you argue that be moved?

Never said it was Wicklow or Wexford's fault either, but why should Dublin supporters suffer because of the failings of the Leinster Council and to a lesser extent, other county boards?

Moving the games is a lesson to those counties with sub-standard grounds to get their act together and it makes the Leinster Council look silly.

Stoner

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Dublin have around 7,000 ST holders as far as I'm aware, while the capacity in Aughrim is around the 8,000 mark, maybe a bit more. Why not split the allocation down the middle, and let the Dubs allocate tickets to ST holders on a lottery basis. Those that miss out can use their free Championship ticket for access to the Leinster semi-final at Croker that they'll no doubt be in.

Is there 7 K season tickets (ie season + Parnell pass ) I thought it was about 4k

First thing to note is season tickets are guaranteed a seat, that was in the T&C's

That's the first concession.

After that you'd have to think about not getting a ticket at all.

WRT the people turned away from PP last week, none were season or Parnell pass ticket holders.


There's no out and out fair solution.

ProudDUB

ST holders are not guaranteed a seat. It says in the T&C that they'll have to make do with a spot on the terrace, if there aren't enough seats to go around.

Bonniedog

blanch152 wrote: »

Never said it was Wicklow or Wexford's fault either, but why should Dublin supporters suffer because of the failings of the Leinster Council and to a lesser extent, other county boards?

Moving the games is a lesson to those counties with sub-standard grounds to get their act together and it makes the Leinster Council look silly.

Well why would Kilkenny or Wexford supporters suffer if we have hurling in Parnell? In fact it was Dublin stand holders who lost out last Sunday. Still no reason why we would give up home advantage.

If Wicklow have home draw then it is disgrace they are moved without their consent, And again, nothing to do with Dublin, tis is Leinster call by all the sleeveens who want the money but still go back to their own people and whinge about the Dubs getting pick of grounds,

OldMrBrennan83

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ProudDUB

The daft thing about all this is that we're not talking a massive amount of people missing out, if the match was in Aughrim.

It's capacity is 10,000 or thereabouts.(They could probably get permission to bump the attendance up a bit, on a once off basis.)

I am open to correction on this, but only about 17,000 odd attended last years qf fixture in Portlaoise. There will probably be some Dubs who won't make the trip this year, as the novelty factor of a champo game in Portlaise isn't there anymore. So we're only talking 6/7000 odd who will miss out if the game is in Aughrim. It's not a massive amount of people really.

If this was the first year we were on the road & the Leinster council were tentatively expecting 30,000/40,000 to show up, I can see why they would focus on having games in the larger venues only, just to be on the safe side. But last years fixture proved that such cautionary planning really isn't necessary.

Bonniedog

I think they might turn up for a game against Dublin.

I was in Aughrim last time we played there in football, and I don't recall queues of people bating down Parnell Park for tickets.

Most of Dublin summer ballers are a bit like Limerick hurling supporters. You don't see them until June,

OldMrBrennan83

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ProudDUB

Who is "they" ? Wicklow supporters?

Why would more of them show up this year, than Carlow supporters did last year? That 17,000 figure includes spectators from both counties. Carlow seems to be a much better supported county than Wicklow is, so I can't see this years attendance figures being boosted by hordes more Wicklow people than were there last year from Carlow.

Bonniedog

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We get 20,000 for league games in Croke Park, 3/4,000 go to away games in Tralee, Omagh , Castlebar.

Why fk Wicklow over because of people whose first game it will be since last September?

I'll be in Wexford next weekend, not going to Portlaoise.

OldMrBrennan83

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Redsoxfan

Stoner wrote:

Is there 7 K season tickets (ie season + Parnell pass ) I thought it was about 4k

Was curious on that myself.

Bonniedog

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Was curious on that myself.

Dublin season tickets and PP be well over 4,000. Still no excuse to have game in Aughrim.

ProudDUB

There are 5000 Dublin season ticket holders. That is the max number any county can have. As Dublin & Mayo are the only 2 counties that have taken up their full ST allocation, we have 5000 ST holders. The Dublin Parnell Pass is also fully sold out of its allocation. However, as neither the DCB or the GAA have ever said how many PP's there actually are, we don't know the total number of the two combined.

Stoner

Bonniedog wrote:

Dublin season tickets and PP be well over 4,000. Still no excuse to have game in Aughrim.

It's not an excuse Bonnie, you don't seem to distinguish between turning a supporter away and turning away a supporter that has purchased a different type of ticket, honoured terms and conditions travelled to over 60 percent of the league games.

You might not have one, but i wouldn't be happy missing a game having missed only one game so far this year so that someone from Wicklow who hasn't gone to a game this year can go.

Unless you can't get a Wicklow season ticket it's not fair on regular supporter's.

Am I missing something, were Kilkenny and Dublin season tickets or equivalent holders turned away last week ?
If they were (and I could see that they were) then scrap this post.

OldMrBrennan83

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Bonniedog

Stoner wrote: »

It's not an excuse Bonnie, you don't seem to distinguish between turning a supporter away and turning away a supporter that has purchased a different type of ticket, honoured terms and conditions travelled to over 60 percent of the league games.

You might not have one, but i wouldn't be happy missing a game having missed only one game so far this year so that someone from Wicklow who hasn't gone to a game this year can go.

Unless you can't get a Wicklow season ticket it's not fair on regular supporter's.

Am I missing something, were Kilkenny and Dublin season tickets or equivalent holders turned away last week ?
If they were (and I could see that they were) then scrap this post.

PP stand ticket holders couldn't get tickets last week because season tickets got first preference. That's going to happen in any match where you have big demand. I didn't hear Kilkenny whinging about game being in Parnell, in fairness.

kala85

Bonniedog wrote: »

PP stand ticket holders couldn't get tickets last week because season tickets got first preference. That's going to happen in any match where you have big demand. I didn't hear Kilkenny whinging about game being in Parnell, in fairness.

Watching it on the telly last Sunday, it didn't look like the stand or stadium was fully sold out.

C__MC

I brought this issue up last week after they beat Offaly and got laughed off about it.

FA cup games between a big team and non league team can be played in their home ground- no logic by the GAA only money

Bonniedog

kala85 wrote: »

Watching it on the telly last Sunday, it didn't look like the stand or stadium was fully sold out.

Exactly. There were about 2/300 empty stand tickets because season tickets can just turn up on spec. Rest of us have to get our tickets before. Some of same people will be whinging about not sitting behind the fkn President if Dublin or Kilkenny make either final.

Rest of ground was packed by the way. Rarely you see a full terrace at Craobh end - only for county football final - and there were people turned away.

Stoner

Bonniedog wrote:

PP stand ticket holders couldn't get tickets last week because season tickets got first preference. That's going to happen in any match where you have big demand. I didn't hear Kilkenny whinging about game being in Parnell, in fairness.

Nobody is talking about whinging.

I doubt kilkenny fans have Parnell passes.

There are about 3.5 K season ticket holders , I think that 7K figure includes Parnell Passes. They have a different set of conditions.

You are are upside-down on this one Bonnie.
Dublin are the away team, it's Wicklow that are complaining about the situation. Kilkenny were the away team.

It would be possible imo to have it in Wicklow, it would be Parnell pass holders that would lose out

Stoner

Patww79 wrote:

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I say you'd posted that before pat.

I had a look and I saw you could get division 3 and 4 deason tickets last year.

Thing is it's not worth it.

When it came out it was 75 euro and a league game was 15, now they are 110. There's no league semi and you can get a league ticket for 10 sometimes.

It's only useful as a ticket insurance policy. That's why I have one, to make sure I get a ticket to go to games everywhere in the league and championship.

That's what a contract is, you can't change it because someone doesn't think it's fair.

Anyway how much promoting of the game can you do with 8 K people.

It's stupid. It's not like say in meath where they've a stadium that can hold a big crowd, that is an injustice.

The main thing is that Wicklow lose home advantage, never mind trying to favour people who don't bother going to the games all year round or who don't help out at a club.

Stoner

C__MC wrote:

FA cup games between a big team and non league team can be played in their home ground- no logic by the GAA only money

The thing about FA cup game is that the clubs sell seasons ticket's, they work for home games. The GAA season ticket works for home and away games, that's the logic. No season ticket holders lose out in the FA cup.

Bonniedog

Stoner wrote: »

Nobody is talking about whinging.

I doubt kilkenny fans have Parnell passes.

There are about 3.5 K season ticket holders , I think that 7K figure includes Parnell Passes. They have a different set of conditions.

You are are upside-down on this one Bonnie.
Dublin are the away team, it's Wicklow that are complaining about the situation. Kilkenny were the away team.

It would be possible imo to have it in Wicklow, it would be Parnell pass holders that would lose out

Dublin stand pass holders lost out last week, including people who were not able to stand. Lot of them would travel to Faeroe Islands to see the hurlers,

If we get a hit over Wicklow getting home game, then same applies.

Other thing is people saying "Oh we have to go to Portlaoise." A lot of them haven't been to Dublin game all year.

Sheep breeder

The reason a lot of people don’t follow the wicklow team is they are fed up of being screwed over by the gaa with poor referees only looking at the big team, sent to other venues, the Sunday game only showing a couple of seconds of the smaller teams match’s and then the panel rabbiting on about the bigger teams for long periods and the major thing it’s about money for the boys and steak dinners after match’s and back slapping and not trying to promote the game in the weaker counties and loosing ground to the rugby.

BonnieSituation

Sheep breeder wrote: »

The reason a lot of people don’t follow the wicklow team is they are fed up of being screwed over by the gaa with poor referees only looking at the big team, sent to other venues, the Sunday game only showing a couple of seconds of the smaller teams match’s and then the panel rabbiting on about the bigger teams for long periods and the major thing it’s about money for the boys and steak dinners after match’s and back slapping and not trying to promote the game in the weaker counties and loosing ground to the rugby.

That's such a cop out. What have those wickow people being doing since 1884 so? It's hardly a recent phenomenon.

Dr. Bre

Au-grim

grbear

blanch152 wrote: »

Moving the games is a lesson to those counties with sub-standard grounds to get their act together and it makes the Leinster Council look silly.

Are the likes of Aughrim sub-standard for their regular use? For 99% of Wicklows matches Aughrim seems to have ample capacity. Like most county grounds I'm sure there is room for improvement but would investing in increasing capacity on the off chance they might get drawn against Dublin or Mayo really be in the best interests of developing Wicklow GAA?
It's not great to see a County have to give up home advantage but it's better than seeing Country boards spending money on paying off loans for overly ambitious stadiums/training facilities.

Sheep breeder

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's such a cop out. What have those wickow people being doing since 1884 so? It's hardly a recent phenomenon.

A lot of the problem is the county board with the same old crowd running the show and it’s like lannigans ball with one steps in another steps into another job and it’s like a roundup for the last twenty years. They have the club scene all about their own club team and not about the greater good of the county team with some clubs players not going to the county team. The have a county youth player coach,coordinator for the last 15 year who is never seen in the clubs on the east coast and is all for the west teams and every year the boys vote him back in. When club teams travel for matches the county board take the gate receipt and has stopped a lot of neutral people going to watch matches like on Sunday afternoon, evening with a lot of games played now on Tuesday evening.

OldMrBrennan83

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