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Wicklow and Aughrim

  • 18-05-2018 1:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Disgraceful decision not allow Wicklow to have this game in Aughrim. Nothing to do with DCB by the way. But they should offer to play game there.

    We had the Cats in Parnell last Sunday. Home game, place packed. No one suggested it be moved.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ ProudDUB


    Agree 100%.

    It should definitley be in Aughrim.

    And if some of the season ticket holders have to stand, or if all the people who want a ticket, can't get one, too bad. That's the nature of spectator sport. Sometimes, there just aren't enough tickets to go around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭ sheroman01


    Why do Longford have a home draw (and Wicklow looking for a home draw) yet the other two quarter finals are in neutral venues?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,749 ✭✭✭ Coillte_Bhoy


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Agree 100%.

    It should definitley be in Aughrim.

    And if some of the season ticket holders have to stand, or if all the people who want a ticket, can't get one, too bad. That's the nature of spectator sport. Sometimes, there just aren't enough tickets to go around.

    ya but isnt it the case that season ticket holders are inaugurated a ticket so therein lies the porblem in this instance. You cant just there up the ticket conditions, for this game


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭ Dr. Kenneth Noisewater


    ya but isnt it the case that season ticket holders are inaugurated a ticket so therein lies the porblem in this instance. You cant just there up the ticket conditions, for this game

    Dublin have around 7,000 ST holders as far as I'm aware, while the capacity in Aughrim is around the 8,000 mark, maybe a bit more. Why not split the allocation down the middle, and let the Dubs allocate tickets to ST holders on a lottery basis. Those that miss out can use their free Championship ticket for access to the Leinster semi-final at Croker that they'll no doubt be in.

    I'm sure anyone who misses out on the trip to Wicklow will get over it fairly quickly. Pack the place out down there, ramp up some atmosphere and boost the game in Wicklow by bringing the All-Ireland Champions to town. Big Championship home games can't solely be the preserve of counties with 20,000+ capacity grounds, it's against the very spirit of the GAA. Or at least, it was....


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,802 ✭✭✭✭ KevIRL


    ya but isnt it the case that season ticket holders are inaugurated a ticket so therein lies the porblem in this instance. You cant just there up the ticket conditions, for this game

    Precedent is already set that Season ticket holders are only guaranteed entry not a seat. Season ticket holders for Waterford v clare on Sunday week have been given standing tickets only


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ ProudDUB


    A bit of creative thinking is required here. If the legal eagles who draw up the season ticket contacts have to get involved, than so be it. I agree that you can't change what season ticket holders are entitled to (as per the current terms and conditions of their contracts) in mid stream. So all future ST renewal contracts should be rejigged, to include a clause that you are not guaranteed a ticket, if the away game is in a ground that holds less than 10,000. The season ticket holders/Parnell Pass holders (of which I am proudly one) shouldn't be holding the entire GAA to ransom, on where the game are played.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Said it before. The likely match ups in both games are going to cause massive headaches for ticketing,

    Wicklow is home draw. Like PD I have Parnell pass but that's no reason for Wicklow not getting the game in Aughrim. There were lots of people turned away from Parnell last week. We had the stripey lads at home. And kept it there,


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,995 ✭✭✭✭ blanch152



    I'm sure anyone who misses out on the trip to Wicklow will get over it fairly quickly.


    I wouldn't. Would love to see a game in Aughrim, but it is up to the Leinster council to ensure that the money they collect from the thousands of Dublin supporters every year is used to up the standard of the county grounds. In Munster, Waterford would be the only county not able to cope with a visit from Dublin - Kerry and Cork would have two grounds. Salthill, Castelbar, Carrick-on-Shannon and the upgraded Dr. Hyde Park would be able to cope in Connacht - don't know about Sligo's ground.

    In Leinster it seems from newspaper reports, there are only four able to cope. This isn't the fault of Dublin and Dublin supporters shouldn't have to suffer. Time for the Leinster Council to get the finger out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I wouldn't. Would love to see a game in Aughrim, but it is up to the Leinster council to ensure that the money they collect from the thousands of Dublin supporters every year is used to up the standard of the county grounds. In Munster, Waterford would be the only county not able to cope with a visit from Dublin - Kerry and Cork would have two grounds. Salthill, Castelbar, Carrick-on-Shannon and the upgraded Dr. Hyde Park would be able to cope in Connacht - don't know about Sligo's ground.

    In Leinster it seems from newspaper reports, there are only four able to cope. This isn't the fault of Dublin and Dublin supporters shouldn't have to suffer. Time for the Leinster Council to get the finger out.


    Also not Wicklow's fault. When small club draw a big club in FA Cup they always get home day. No reason why it not apply to Wicklow.

    Wexford wouldn't be biggest ground either so if our hurlers had big a following as footballers would you argue that be moved?


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,995 ✭✭✭✭ blanch152


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Also not Wicklow's fault. When small club draw a big club in FA Cup they always get home day. No reason why it not apply to Wicklow.

    Wexford wouldn't be biggest ground either so if our hurlers had big a following as footballers would you argue that be moved?


    Never said it was Wicklow or Wexford's fault either, but why should Dublin supporters suffer because of the failings of the Leinster Council and to a lesser extent, other county boards?

    Moving the games is a lesson to those counties with sub-standard grounds to get their act together and it makes the Leinster Council look silly.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Stoner


    Dublin have around 7,000 ST holders as far as I'm aware, while the capacity in Aughrim is around the 8,000 mark, maybe a bit more. Why not split the allocation down the middle, and let the Dubs allocate tickets to ST holders on a lottery basis. Those that miss out can use their free Championship ticket for access to the Leinster semi-final at Croker that they'll no doubt be in.

    Is there 7 K season tickets (ie season + Parnell pass ) I thought it was about 4k

    First thing to note is season tickets are guaranteed a seat, that was in the T&C's

    That's the first concession.

    After that you'd have to think about not getting a ticket at all.

    WRT the people turned away from PP last week, none were season or Parnell pass ticket holders.


    There's no out and out fair solution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ ProudDUB


    ST holders are not guaranteed a seat. It says in the T&C that they'll have to make do with a spot on the terrace, if there aren't enough seats to go around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Never said it was Wicklow or Wexford's fault either, but why should Dublin supporters suffer because of the failings of the Leinster Council and to a lesser extent, other county boards?

    Moving the games is a lesson to those counties with sub-standard grounds to get their act together and it makes the Leinster Council look silly.


    Well why would Kilkenny or Wexford supporters suffer if we have hurling in Parnell? In fact it was Dublin stand holders who lost out last Sunday. Still no reason why we would give up home advantage.

    If Wicklow have home draw then it is disgrace they are moved without their consent, And again, nothing to do with Dublin, tis is Leinster call by all the sleeveens who want the money but still go back to their own people and whinge about the Dubs getting pick of grounds,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,661 ✭✭✭✭ OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ ProudDUB


    The daft thing about all this is that we're not talking a massive amount of people missing out, if the match was in Aughrim.

    It's capacity is 10,000 or thereabouts.(They could probably get permission to bump the attendance up a bit, on a once off basis.)

    I am open to correction on this, but only about 17,000 odd attended last years qf fixture in Portlaoise. There will probably be some Dubs who won't make the trip this year, as the novelty factor of a champo game in Portlaise isn't there anymore. So we're only talking 6/7000 odd who will miss out if the game is in Aughrim. It's not a massive amount of people really.

    If this was the first year we were on the road & the Leinster council were tentatively expecting 30,000/40,000 to show up, I can see why they would focus on having games in the larger venues only, just to be on the safe side. But last years fixture proved that such cautionary planning really isn't necessary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    I think they might turn up for a game against Dublin.

    I was in Aughrim last time we played there in football, and I don't recall queues of people bating down Parnell Park for tickets.

    Most of Dublin summer ballers are a bit like Limerick hurling supporters. You don't see them until June,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,661 ✭✭✭✭ OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ ProudDUB


    Who is "they" ? Wicklow supporters?

    Why would more of them show up this year, than Carlow supporters did last year? That 17,000 figure includes spectators from both counties. Carlow seems to be a much better supported county than Wicklow is, so I can't see this years attendance figures being boosted by hordes more Wicklow people than were there last year from Carlow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


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    We get 20,000 for league games in Croke Park, 3/4,000 go to away games in Tralee, Omagh , Castlebar.

    Why fk Wicklow over because of people whose first game it will be since last September?

    I'll be in Wexford next weekend, not going to Portlaoise.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,976 ✭✭✭ Redsoxfan


    Stoner wrote:
    Is there 7 K season tickets (ie season + Parnell pass ) I thought it was about 4k


    Was curious on that myself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Redsoxfan wrote: »
    Was curious on that myself.

    Dublin season tickets and PP be well over 4,000. Still no excuse to have game in Aughrim.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ ProudDUB


    There are 5000 Dublin season ticket holders. That is the max number any county can have. As Dublin & Mayo are the only 2 counties that have taken up their full ST allocation, we have 5000 ST holders. The Dublin Parnell Pass is also fully sold out of its allocation. However, as neither the DCB or the GAA have ever said how many PP's there actually are, we don't know the total number of the two combined.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Stoner


    Bonniedog wrote:
    Dublin season tickets and PP be well over 4,000. Still no excuse to have game in Aughrim.

    It's not an excuse Bonnie, you don't seem to distinguish between turning a supporter away and turning away a supporter that has purchased a different type of ticket, honoured terms and conditions travelled to over 60 percent of the league games.

    You might not have one, but i wouldn't be happy missing a game having missed only one game so far this year so that someone from Wicklow who hasn't gone to a game this year can go.

    Unless you can't get a Wicklow season ticket it's not fair on regular supporter's.

    Am I missing something, were Kilkenny and Dublin season tickets or equivalent holders turned away last week ?
    If they were (and I could see that they were) then scrap this post.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    Stoner wrote: »
    It's not an excuse Bonnie, you don't seem to distinguish between turning a supporter away and turning away a supporter that has purchased a different type of ticket, honoured terms and conditions travelled to over 60 percent of the league games.

    You might not have one, but i wouldn't be happy missing a game having missed only one game so far this year so that someone from Wicklow who hasn't gone to a game this year can go.

    Unless you can't get a Wicklow season ticket it's not fair on regular supporter's.

    Am I missing something, were Kilkenny and Dublin season tickets or equivalent holders turned away last week ?
    If they were (and I could see that they were) then scrap this post.


    PP stand ticket holders couldn't get tickets last week because season tickets got first preference. That's going to happen in any match where you have big demand. I didn't hear Kilkenny whinging about game being in Parnell, in fairness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭ kala85


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    PP stand ticket holders couldn't get tickets last week because season tickets got first preference. That's going to happen in any match where you have big demand. I didn't hear Kilkenny whinging about game being in Parnell, in fairness.

    Watching it on the telly last Sunday, it didn't look like the stand or stadium was fully sold out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭ C__MC


    I brought this issue up last week after they beat Offaly and got laughed off about it.

    FA cup games between a big team and non league team can be played in their home ground- no logic by the GAA only money


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    kala85 wrote: »
    Watching it on the telly last Sunday, it didn't look like the stand or stadium was fully sold out.

    Exactly. There were about 2/300 empty stand tickets because season tickets can just turn up on spec. Rest of us have to get our tickets before. Some of same people will be whinging about not sitting behind the fkn President if Dublin or Kilkenny make either final.

    Rest of ground was packed by the way. Rarely you see a full terrace at Craobh end - only for county football final - and there were people turned away.


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