SEAT scrappage deal

abff

My wife's car is 12 years old (SEAT Ibiza) and looks like it's going to need a fair bit of work done on it. We're considering getting a new car and I see that SEAT are currently offering a scrappage deal.

I presume this is in lieu of any discount you might negotiate on a straight purchase and I'm just wondering to what extent the scrappage allowance might exceed the normal discount. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Lantus

The scrappage deal is the discount. Unless your car is worth more than the scrappage amount? Of course you can always try to get more but car prices are quite tight these days.

bazz26

Depends who is giving the discount though, usually with these scrappage schemes it's the manufacturer who is giving the scrappage discount and the dealer might still have the same margin. In that instance there might still be some wiggle room on the dealer's margin. Always worth trying because if you don't ask you won't get.

abff

A neighbour suggested we also look at the Skoda Fabia, which is essentially the same car as the Seat Ibiza, but with a slightly different body and finish. They are offering a better "scrappage" deal than Seat and overall the price is a fair bit cheaper, but probably not directly comparable as we are looking at a Skoda Fabia MCI versus a Seat Ibiza SE.

I'd welcome any thoughts on the relative merits of the two cars or any suggestions on an alternative, such as the Ford Fiesta or one of the Japanese/Korean makes. Also, is there any website where you can input the model numbers and get a side by side comparison of features?

Thanks again for any help/advice.

GustavoFring

The current Ibiza is a generation newer than the Fabia. It's a better car in terms of interior space, finish and options available.

Lantus

They are very much similar but I would spec and price up and drive both to get a feel for them.

The ibiza has the edge but the new fabia is well established.

Some good you tube vids and reviews to help decision making. If only they wouldn't insist on rubbing the dash and talking about plastic like it was a dealbreaker. Don't drive with your hands on the dash!

ShadowHearth

Fabia is older generation, wheres Ibiza only came out in second half of last year.

New ibiza got really good reviews and is bigger car then old generation.

I would personally go with new ibiza. Specifically when its cheaper too.

Philb76

The fabia is a very comfortable car over the bumps and practical as others have said the ibiza is new but the fabia only came out late 2015 the ibiza is slightly bigger thers also new polo which is a handsome car don't know about scrappage though even though these cars are basically the same for a reason i don't know skoda always seem to be more reliable

Lantus

Second the new polo. A big car for the money but a bit more expensive.

Most of the major bits in the cars like the engine are all identical. The variations are aesthetic with the seat and polo having the slightly updated vw infotainment system. Fabia will get same in next update.

Ryath

Fabia is based on a modified much older platform new ibiza is much better its longer and wider and feels much better to drive. Fabia interior does have the edge though.

abff

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Fabia is older generation, wheres Ibiza only came out in second half of last year.

New ibiza got really good reviews and is bigger car then old generation.

I would personally go with new ibiza. Specifically when its cheaper too.

My wife prefers the Ibiza, but the net cost is around 15% higher than the Fabia and the issue is whether it's worth paying this much extra for what's basically a slightly sexier version of the same car.

hooch-85

We were in a similar situation a few months ago, the engine had just went kaput in my fiance's 2010 Ibiza TDi, instead of repairing the car we got 2k scrappage for it as it stood and put another 2k towards a deposit on a new Ibiza FR. We went for the 1.0 TSi. Compared to the old car it's a million miles ahead in terms of tech and refinement, its also much quicker and quite economical. It worked out at 16k after scrappage and our deposit making the monthly repayments quite affordable. If i were you i'd try go for the Ibiza instead of the Fabia, which as said is a much older chassis at this stage.

colm_mcm

Ryath wrote: »

Fabia is based on a modified much older platform new ibiza is much better its longer and wider and feels much better to drive. Fabia interior does have the edge though.

In terms of quality or what? I wouldn’t rate the Fabia interior at all from a design/comfort POV.

Ryath

colm_mcm wrote: »

In terms of quality or what? I wouldn’t rate the Fabia interior at all from a design/comfort POV.

Been a while since I sat in the Fabia Seat probably is better designed and layed out. Lot depends on spec levels but some of fabrics and colours on Irish ibiza specs levels are poor. Ibiza is aimed at a younger market though I do prefer the more mature design of most fabia specs.

As I said on spec Irish Excelence trim is a horrible beige/brown Uk Spec has black alacantra seats and piano black dash. Haven't got to see an FR yet but it's only one available with the 1.5tsi engine which would be the only one that would interest me.

ShadowHearth

abff wrote: »

My wife prefers the Ibiza, but the net cost is around 15% higher than the Fabia and the issue is whether it's worth paying this much extra for what's basically a slightly sexier version of the same car.

Thats the point, its not sexier version of same. Skoda is still on old platform and new ibiza is not just facelift, its completely new platfrom which is a lot wider and has way better use of space in cabin. New ibiza is same size now as mk5 golf.

colm_mcm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

New ibiza is same size now as mk5 golf.

Compared to a mk5 it’s 200mm less long, 60mm narrower, 50mm less high. Still very good for a supermini


It’s very close in size to a Mk3 Golf though. It’s actually slightly wider than one.

ShadowHearth

colm_mcm wrote: »

Compared to a mk5 it’s 200mm less long, 60mm narrower, 50mm less high. Still very good for a supermini


It’s very close in size to a Mk3 Golf though. It’s actually slightly wider than one.

Stand corrected. I could swear I heard that comparison in one of reviews. Maybe it was used for interior comparison.

hooch-85

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Stand corrected. I could swear I heard that comparison in one of reviews. Maybe it was used for interior comparison.

I had a mk5 GTi and the new Ibiza is every bit as big inside. Its a very impressive car and drives and handles really lovely in FR spec.

Philb76

Hard to tell the difference between the new Ibiza and the leon now the boot space is bigger than the mk6 golf interior just as spacious but cost less to buy new these small cars are not small cars anymore

ShadowHearth

hooch-85 wrote: »

I had a mk5 GTi and the new Ibiza is every bit as big inside. Its a very impressive car and drives and handles really lovely in FR spec.

If I finally mature in next two years and wont be a boyra... mean manracer, who needs something closer to 200hp, then Ibiza fr 1.5tsi could be my next car. Hopefully they will fix all issues with that engine by then as right now there are some.
When I was doing service on my car I snooped around new ibiza in showroom andit was really impressive for small car segment.

And as poster said before: small cars are not so small anymore. These new super minis use small size to make cabins very spacious.

gooner99

I think it was the mk4 golf that they were saying the new polo/ibiza was almost as big as. So yeah same size as mk3 is probably right. Mk5 would be a little bigger than the mk4 golf. Mk6 and mk5 should be almost identical as Mk6 golf is really a mk5.5. Phew!

kooga

hooch-85 wrote: »

I had a mk5 GTi and the new Ibiza is every bit as big inside. Its a very impressive car and drives and handles really lovely in FR spec.

that's good to know, like yourself I have a mark v gti 5dr 2008 - but half tempted by the new Ibiza

my spec would be the FR 1.5tsi with 18's, sunroof, alarm and the alcantara seat upgrade
btw does anybody now whether the 8 inch media can only be specced as a sat nav the irish conf is rubbish and I have been looking at the uk and French websites - I feel the interior needs the 8 inch screen as it is very drap and black inside

I haven't sat in one so i would be curious as to what the build quality is like nor have I driven the 1.5tsi engine yet. al in around $24K

Ryath

Only 3 of them in the country must go have a look at one
https://www.carzone.ie/search/result/cars/make/seat/model/ibiza/min-year/2017-172/max-year/2018-181/fuel-type/petrol/min-engine-size/1-3/max-engine-size/max

This car has the upgraded screen does make a big difference. Not clear on the configurater or the spec they list though if you have to add the sat nav or camera to get it.
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/seat/ibiza/used-2018-181-seat-ibiza-evo-fr-1-5ts-waterford-fpa-2356442109139622567

Alacantra doesn't seem to be an option but I'm pretty certain it was there last year. I personally wouldn't bother with the sunroof I'd spend the money getting the led headlights and the climate control. Make sure you get Full link to it's just €180 and gives you android auto and apple carplay. Google maps is was better than any built in navigation system

hooch-85

kooga wrote: »

that's good to know, like yourself I have a mark v gti 5dr 2008 - but half tempted by the new Ibiza

my spec would be the FR 1.5tsi with 18's, sunroof, alarm and the alcantara seat upgrade
btw does anybody now whether the 8 inch media can only be specced as a sat nav the irish conf is rubbish and I have been looking at the uk and French websites - I feel the interior needs the 8 inch screen as it is very drap and black inside

I haven't sat in one so i would be curious as to what the build quality is like nor have I driven the 1.5tsi engine yet. al in around $24K

Well the Ibiza is my fiance's car, I drove the 1.5 and it's a nice car but won't be as fast as your GTi. Ours is just the 1.0 TSi but it's perfect for herself. Build quality is good, the dash is a bit plasticy on top but overall i'd say it's a very nice car for the money.

kooga

Tks guys
I'd definitely put in the media link
I'm a big fan of sunroofs current car has one with manual air con which is fine for me.

I saw those cars on carzone the white fr in limerick looks very basic while the one in Waterford is a step up

The alcantara seats were never on the irish conf appeared on the uk one and then disappeared- it's shown on the Irish brochure as an option and I got the product code - price in France is €450 - was mentioned on a French seat forum that it would be available again after week 36. Similarly an alarm is not on the Irish brochure but I have the product code

Still prefer to build my own

hooch-85

kooga wrote: »

Tks guys
I'd definitely put in the media link
I'm a big fan of sunroofs current car has one with manual air con which is fine for me.

I saw those cars on carzone the white fr in limerick looks very basic while the one in Waterford is a step up

The alcantara seats were never on the irish conf appeared on the uk one and then disappeared- it's shown on the Irish brochure as an option and I got the product code - price in France is €450 - was mentioned on a French seat forum that it would be available again after week 36. Similarly an alarm is not on the Irish brochure but I have the product code

Still prefer to build my own

I drove that white car in Limerick, ours is pretty much similar spec but in the 1.0. They also had the 1.5 in the showroom in a copper colour, it was a lovely car, think it's sold as i've seen one on the road here last week. Apparently there is a huge waiting list for anything VAG with the TSi engine, so speccing one yourself may take a while. We took one which was on order by the dealer and was in the port ready to be shipped and it still took over a month before we had it.

kooga

Just to update i see a dealer in louth has two white ones for sale with the alcantara interior - it looks like the alcantara now extends to part of the dash as well seems to have replaced the piano black.

I had read that seat were aware of the negative reaction to the shiny plastics and were going to address it

who_ru

abff wrote: »

My wife's car is 12 years old (SEAT Ibiza) and looks like it's going to need a fair bit of work done on it. We're considering getting a new car and I see that SEAT are currently offering a scrappage deal.

I presume this is in lieu of any discount you might negotiate on a straight purchase and I'm just wondering to what extent the scrappage allowance might exceed the normal discount. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Open to correction on this but I believe SEAT will give you a 3yr warranty or 60000km.

I know the Korean manufacturers will give you a 7yr warranty.

Something to keep in mind if you intend to hold onto the car for a long time.

kooga

I see the 1.5 tsi engine has been dropped by seat in the Ibiza only 1.0 petrol now available.

hooch-85

kooga wrote: »

I see the 1.5 tsi engine has been dropped by seat in the Ibiza only 1.0 petrol now available.

How come? Not selling?

Ryath

Hopefully just in the middle of updating it. It’s gone on the arona too the Ateca 1.4 too. And only the SE trim is listed for the Leon!

ShadowHearth

kooga wrote: »

I see the 1.5 tsi engine has been dropped by seat in the Ibiza only 1.0 petrol now available.

Why?! Thats just weird. I heard that engine has some issues, but it could not be that bad?!

kooga

engine choice pretty slim with the golf as well 1.0tsi or 1.6tdi - I just cannot get my head around paying €30k for a 1 litre golf! while on the T -Roc the 1.5 tsi is available across all three levels! doesn't make sense

bazz26

WLTP?

Lantus

New 2019 fabia details are now available. Slightly bigger than existing but changes are minor..

Ryath

bazz26 wrote: »

WLTP?

I’d say that’s the issue alright.

Just looking around today the Octavia is now available on the Irish configurater in the 1.5 tsi in manual and DSG.

And on the UK Seat site the 1.5tsi is available in 130 and 150bhp and even better the Fr is now available with the 2.0 tsi with 190 bop dsg only though. Hopefully they bring them all to Ireland though before with the 1.4 they only brought in the 125bhp not the 150 or the 1.8tsi either.

Considering options for next year when wife’s pcp was up. Was really hoping an electric she would like would be available by then but looks like we might be going back to petrol.

ShadowHearth

Ryath wrote: »

I’d say that’s the issue alright.

Just looking around today the Octavia is now available on the Irish configurater in the 1.5 tsi in manual and DSG.

And on the UK Seat site the 1.5tsi is available in 130 and 150bhp and even better the Fr is now available with the 2.0 tsi with 190 bop dsg only though. Hopefully they bring them all to Ireland though before with the 1.4 they only brought in the 125bhp not the 150 or the 1.8tsi either.

Considering options for next year when wife’s pcp was up. Was really hoping an electric she would like would be available by then but looks like we might be going back to petrol.

Thats actually really annoying when comes to engines available in Ireland. Uk has a massive engines range in Leons. Well, at least had. A 190hp leon with fr spec would sound like a lovely daily driver. 125hp just plainly wrong.

Looks like a lot of manufacturers had pulled their engines for orders. All to do with new testing system. To be honest, I would not be confident buying new car with those pulled engines when they come back. Kind of reminds me of whole VW diesel "fix". Those engines will clearly have a quick fixer upper jobby, which might not be the most reliable.