Can I build a house on the road?

zom

"Infill" site (road) for sale: https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/infill-site-c-210-sq-m-2-260-5-sq-ft-beechmount-drive-clonskeagh-dublin-14/4235469

https://photos-a.propertyimages.ie/media/9/6/4/4235469/e75440c2-ed5c-47db-b55c-f90df0bdb42b.pdf

L1011

Dead end leftover from old plans - cant be a right of way, shouldn't be impossible to get permission

Gumbo

Very possible.
Recent similar development in phibsborough. I’ll try route out the planning reference so you can take a look.

Expect severe objections from both neighbors who have most likely gotten use to the free space there.

listermint

Incredibly cheap offering . There's no way it goes for that money or anything close to it tbh if it's able to be built on.

Spanish Eyes

A Neighbour or both of them could buy it too!

secman

Looks a very narrow site, and very surprised at guide price !

wexie

secman wrote: »

Looks a very narrow site,

Don't see any measurements anywhere but from the looks of that gate it can't be much more than 4 meters, maybe 5.

Could you realistically put a house on that? Actually had a look at it on streetview, looks more like 3 or 4 meters if anything?

listermint

wexie wrote: »

Don't see any measurements anywhere but from the looks of that gate it can't be much more than 4 meters, maybe 5.

Could you realistically put a house on that? Actually had a look at it on streetview, looks more like 3 or 4 meters if anything?

It would have to be some superb architectute designed work to eliminate over looking aspect height etc to pass muster I'd say with planners. Not cheap construction

zom

Who may be the owner of that site? All maps I checked it is a part of the road.

cbreeze

You might reverse a mobile home into it.

K.Flyer

Would there be a problem getting planning with that great big green lump of an electric box on the right?

handlemaster

Perfect for either side house to buy would be Nice site then.

pauldavis123

€45k seems undervalued

pauldavis123

K.Flyer wrote: »

Would there be a problem getting planning with that great big green lump of an electric box on the right?

That box is probably the reason, a new house supply is €2,200 god knows how much to move that box and more importantly where can it go?

Incorporating it into a new build would compromise the design massively due to the narrow width of the site.

whiskeyman

pauldavis123 wrote: »

That box is probably the reason, a new house supply is €2,200 god knows how much to move that box and more importantly where can it go?

Incorporating it into a new build would compromise the design massively due to the narrow width of the site.

I wonder would ESBN not have to move it though since it was probably out there on the assumption it was 'free' land, but if it's now private property?

Pretty interesting site this. Looking forward to seeing what happens, and what ideas people here have!

wexie

whiskeyman wrote: »

Pretty interesting site this. Looking forward to seeing what happens, and what ideas people here have!

Just doing some googling cause I (admittedly no expert by any means) can't see how you'd ever be able to build anything (other than a garage perhaps) there.

But there's some interesting stuff out there.

https://www.homedit.com/narrow-lot-houses/



Somehow I doubt you'd get permission for something like that though. Certainly from what I've seen most architecture in Ireland is pretty conservative.

Victor

One wonders if there are utilities along the site, other than the electrical transformer.

If the neighbours either side were smart, two houses could be built there.

LirW

I'd be most worried about objections to any planning granted. A small lot wedged into a quiet estate in Dublin and, god forbid, something would like to put a modern structure up? No, not here, NIMBY going strong.

HeidiHeidi

There have been a few Grand Designs episodes over the years with houses wedged into the most unlikely spaces, but like the poster above I can't see that washing with the residents of a leafy Dublin suburb somehow!

I also think that a price tag of 45K in Goatstown implies that there isn't the slightest chance in hell of ever getting permission for it, and the vendor knows it.

Who would the vendor be, btw?

And also in the ad it's described as a site of over 2000 sq ft.... certainly doesn't look like that from the picture!

April 73

That square footage must be the entire length & width of the site. Can’t see how you’d build on the full footprint. I’m also fascinated as to how this is owned as a separate site.
Would love to see how this progresses.

Gumbo

Realistically after looking at the street view I’d say it will be impossible to get a house through the process in any way shape or form.

Narrow site - this can be overcome with design and set backs getting in natural light. No windows in each side means all habitable rooms will need to be front or back.

Foundations cannot be built under the existing boundary walls without consent so expect compensation payments to the neighbors further driving up the cost and if you want to avoid this then the house has to be narrower.

ESB Box- this will be costly. You will have to pay ESBN to move this and there has to be a suitable location nearby or else you design it into your house site.

Now, what might be possible is that if you bought the site to the rear too, this small strip will act as an access road to that site.

quietsailor

I wonder is it a fishing expedition (maybe the wrong term there) by the vendor against one of the two neighbours, or both! -- " you can buy the plot but look at the interest in it, I'll only accept €45,000 ono"

ED E

kceire wrote: »

ESB Box- this will be costly. You will have to pay ESBN to move this and there has to be a suitable location nearby or else you design it into your house site.

Add moving the two aerial feeds for your neighbours to that.


Telcos wouldnt have any interest in such a place as the BP behind serves as a high site already, maybe other utilities? But I doubt theyd be using MyHome...

Weird.

testicles

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the_syco

The manhole in the middle may cause issues.

TBH, if you could put in something like http://www.daft.ie/11695332 as the width of the property looks the same

Bald? er, dash!

the_syco wrote: »

TBH, if you could put in something like http://www.daft.ie/11695332 as the width of the property looks the same

Nice that a conversation could continue while the other person is taking a dump

Lantus

Quite the challenge. Best to go to a neighbour probably but some inventive design could work.

gctest50

Bald? er, dash! wrote: »

Nice that a conversation could continue while the other person is taking a dump :..........

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pauldavis123

https://goo.gl/maps/d4zVjouG7SP2

Google Maps link to Streeview of the site.

zom

pauldavis123 wrote: »

https://goo.gl/maps/d4zVjouG7SP2

Google Maps link to Streeview of the site.

Is it really 210 sqm ?

punisher5112

Buy it and wait for either house to sell.

Worth a fortune if ties into one or both.

wexie

zom wrote: »

Is it really 210 sqm ?

You can measure distance on google maps by rightclicking somewhere.

According to that (don't know how accurate it is) it's nearly 30 meters from the back wall to the gate and nearly 5.5 meters across the gate.

So wouldn't seem anywhere near that...

Metric Tensor

There's no way it is for sale for 45k if it is possible to get planning permission on it. The current owner, if they have any cop on at all, will have investigated this possibility and would be charging a LOT more for the site if they thought there was any chance of building a house on it.

My guess is the owner is trying to flush out the two residents either side and pit them against one another - or else get them to pay 20k each to half it.

It is worth noting that there is a manhole for a sewer in the middle of the site and clearly some other underground services running through that back wall. Both the concrete surfacing and the back wall were removed to install an underground run and replaced after installation. This in itself would not necessarily be a planning issue but adds to the complexity of the "non-site".

testicles

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pauldavis123

testicles wrote: »

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Detective Testicles :pac:

loyatemu

you could maybe put a garage on it for use as a (non-commercial) workshop? Wouldn't be worth 45k for that though.

zom

loyatemu wrote: »

you could maybe put a garage on it for use as a (non-commercial) workshop? Wouldn't be worth 45k for that though.

From my personal experience it is twice harder to get planning for garage (even non-commercial) than simple house. My bet is that you can't build anything there - as someone said, vendor surely checked that already with planners.

K.Flyer

You might just about fit this house on the plot, but with the man-hole cover and ESB transformer I'd say no chance of building anything decent on it.

the_syco

K.Flyer wrote: »

You might just about fit this house on the plot, but with the man-hole cover and ESB transformer I'd say no chance of building anything decent on it.

I'm pretty sure you'd need to knock and rebuild the walls on both sides to have the proper foundations, which the neighbours could block.