Tying in old Stone wall with timber frame or block.

eamon11

Hello Folks,

old Stone cottage walls 3 foot thick. Front wall left standing. The consistency of the other walls which we took down was basically just stone stacked together with dry loose clay between, so basically nothing holding them together.

Looking to do timber frame for new walls, which will come off at 90 degrees to end of Stone wall. Would anyone have ideas or suggestions for securing my timber frame to this old Stone wall? Or indeed securing any type of new wall to it?

Thanks in advance.

sydthebeat

Take down the one remaining wall?

rayjdav

Agree with Syd ^^^

The timber frame should be independent of the structure itself anyway and the outer leaf tied to existing walls only. If there is only the one wall left standing, what is giving this wall lateral support? I'd get an engineer on site to have a look for stability etc before you go too far.

TheBoyConor

If you only have one wall remaining I'd be strongly inclined to demolish it and start with something fresh unless the remaining wall is very substantial or has architectural features worthy of preserving.

eamon11

many thanks lads,

asked in my local planning office about knocking it completely and re building with an extension and was told I could not proceed without planning permission however if I kept the front wall and kept the extension to less than 40 m2 and to back of house I could proceed without planning. Also the wall is an old Stone wall and while not listed is however of historical value.

That's why I need to keep front wall.
As regards the question originally asked, does anyone have any answer?

Thanks

sydthebeat

Be a pity if the jcb accidently hit off the wall....

cork2

Thats a question the internet cannot answer and if someone online does answer it you should be very wary. You NEED an engineer!! There is too much at play here. If the basic structure is wrong you will be left with nothing.

eamon11

thanks lads,

if the JCB did accidentally knock it....in theory...would I then need to apply for planning?

Metric Tensor

From what you are describing, in theory, it's my understanding that you should have already applied for planning permission.

Not sure what advice you got from the planning office but I'm not sure the person answering your questions realised your intent. To say that you can knock and rebuild an entire building without planning permission by just leaving the front wall standing is not my understanding of things.

Also bear in the mind that as you are building a new house (with a small bit of stone in front) you, in theory, need to build it completely in line with the current building regulations!

Do you have an engineer or architect engaged? I think you should get one on board fairly soon - even if just to protect yourself from anything, legal or safety wise, that might crop up in future.

Bigus

Cast concrete pillars abutting or at 90 degrees to the old wall by shuttering over the sides , so one side of the new pillar/column can be Radomly shaped to fit the old wall irregularities and the other end or side can be dead true and plumb, and measure and build to this .

eamon11

you are spot on Bigus, full marks to you. Exactly what I was thinking.

Bigus

eamon11 wrote: »

you are spot on Bigus, full marks to you. Exactly what I was thinking.

You can also incorporate any damp proofing and insulation at the straight bridge.

Reading between the lines I'd say go for it , and ask for forgiveness later.

rayjdav

Ask the same question enough times and you will get the answer you want to hear....:rolleyes::eek:

eamon11

thanks Bigus for addressing the question asked and giving your suggestions and ideas without prejudice.
well, rayjdav, out of many comments I have had only one or 2 constructive comments.Any and every constructive comment is the one I want to hear.

Thanks

rayjdav

eamon11 wrote: »

thanks Bigus for addressing the question asked and giving your suggestions and ideas without prejudice.
well, rayjdav, out of many comments I have had only one or 2 constructive comments.Any and every constructive comment is the one I want to hear.

Thanks

Eamon11, was not trying to be smart with you but when the first FIVE responses say the exact same thing, and I assume from professionals;), and you keep going till someone posts what you already thought was the "solution", I am just confused

Gumbo

Planning required.
You have been incorrectly advised and your engineer should be guiding you, why else would you be paying them ????

eamon11

don't be confused ray. It's not that complicated. If someone wants to consult a professional that's beside the point and they certainly do not need to be "told" to consult a professional. If you have practical advice or suggestions( as has been asked) and want to give it, do that. If not don't. many thanks

BryanF

eamon11 wrote: »

don't be confused ray. It's not that complicated. If someone wants to consult a professional that's beside the point and they certainly do not need to be "told" to consult a professional. If you have practical advice or suggestions( as has been asked) and want to give it, do that. If not don't. many thanks

eamon11 wrote: »

Hello Folks,

old Stone cottage walls 3 foot thick. Front wall left standing. The consistency of the other walls which we took down was basically just stone stacked together with dry loose clay between, so basically nothing holding them together.

Looking to do timber frame for new walls, which will come off at 90 degrees to end of Stone wall. Would anyone have ideas or suggestions for securing my timber frame to this old Stone wall? Or indeed securing any type of new wall to it?

Thanks in advance.

.

cork2

eamon11 wrote: »

don't be confused ray. It's not that complicated. If someone wants to consult a professional that's beside the point and they certainly do not need to be "told" to consult a professional. If you have practical advice or suggestions( as has been asked) and want to give it, do that. If not don't. many thanks

I'm a professional within the contruction industry and in my professional opinion the suggestion you hire somebody in an advisory capacity was the most solid advice you've recieved yet.

eamon11

Many thanks cork. That was a very helpful and practical comment and totally answered my question.