are dovea stepping back from icbf

Bellview

Just saw that ger Ryan no longer on icbf board. Ncbc munster now basically have monopoly of ai seats...personally I feel this is not good given one group will drive it's commercial agenda through an independent body..

tanko

Where dis you see that, bad news if true. Does that mean Dovea will have no seat on the board now?
Dovea pulled out of the Gene Ireland programme a couple of years back, it is a shambles anyway.

The way things are going ICBF will be totally controlled by NCBC and the IHFA.
The make up if the ICBF board has been a joke since it was set up.

Bellview

tanko wrote:

Where dis you see that, bad news if true. Does that mean Dovea will have no seat on the board now? Dovea pulled out of the Gene Ireland programme a couple of years back, it is a shambles anyway.

Journal online is where I saw it

patsy_mccabe

I was surprised to hear a while back of a close connection between a very prominent breeder and a certain beef specialist. The appearance of impartiality in these bodies is everything.

Bellview

patsy_mccabe wrote:

I was surprised to hear a while back of a close connection between a very prominent breeder and a certain beef specialist. The appearance of impartiality in these bodies is everything.

A few family connections doing well from ai at minute..

alps

Bellview wrote: »

personally I feel this is not good given one group will drive it's commercial agenda through an independent body..

Its not an independent body, and never was. It has shareholders who have commercial interests in its delivery.

I'm convinced that one of those interests was thrown a lifeline a number of years ago when the reliability percentage was reduced to a farcical figure on the dairy active list...

Calfscour

alps wrote: »

Its not an independent body, and never was. It has shareholders who have commercial interests in its delivery.

I'm convinced that one of those interests was thrown a lifeline a number of years ago when the reliability percentage was reduced to a farcical figure on the dairy active list...

+100

The tag levy should never have been given back to them. And them they start charging like a business this year!! Independent my arse.

I pulled the pin anyway charging per cow for your own information given back to you, to suit their agenda. Ai and breeding is big big business and should be treated with the same suspicions as all other big business.

mahoney_j

Calfscour wrote: »

+100

The tag levy should never have been given back to them. And them they start charging like a business this year!! Independent my arse.

I pulled the pin anyway charging per cow for your own information given back to you, to suit their agenda. Ai and breeding is big big business and should be treated with the same suspicions as all other big business.

All info returned is compiled very well tho and is of big value to us in simple enough format

patsy_mccabe

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/directors-change-on-icbf-board-369150

So nobody on the new board from Dovea.

Ger Ryan, chief executive of Dovea Genetics, based near Thurles in Co Tipperary, was not renominated as a representative of the AI organisations.

Until Thursday, there were three AI company representatives – Patrick Kelly, Donegal, representing Progressive Genetics; Kevin Coffey, chief executive of Munster AI; and Ger Ryan of Dovea

alps

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/directors-change-on-icbf-board-369150

So nobody on the new board from Dovea.

Ger Ryan, chief executive of Dovea Genetics, based near Thurles in Co Tipperary, was not renominated as a representative of the AI organisations.

Until Thursday, there were three AI company representatives – Patrick Kelly, Donegal, representing Progressive Genetics; Kevin Coffey, chief executive of Munster AI; and Ger Ryan of Dovea

Richard Hinchion Munster, Peter Fleming Munster, Vincent Gorman Progressive also there, and no other AI company represented..Hmmmmmm

blue5000

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was surprised to hear a while back of a close connection between a very prominent breeder and a certain beef specialist. The appearance of impartiality in these bodies is everything.

Bellview wrote: »

A few family connections doing well from ai at minute..

alps wrote: »

Richard Hinchion Munster, Peter Fleming Munster, Vincent Gorman Progressive also there, and no other AI company represented..Hmmmmmm

Looks like there might be a lot more going on behind the scenes alright.

Donegalforever

It looks like one A.I. outfit has got rid of the "outsider" and possibly placed themselves in the position that they can if they wish run things to suit their agenda.

This hardly inspires confidence in the openness and transparency of ICBF

Donegalforever

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/directors-change-on-icbf-board-369150

So nobody on the new board from Dovea.

Ger Ryan, chief executive of Dovea Genetics, based near Thurles in Co Tipperary, was not renominated as a representative of the AI organisations.

Until Thursday, there were three AI company representatives – Patrick Kelly, Donegal, representing Progressive Genetics; Kevin Coffey, chief executive of Munster AI; and Ger Ryan of Dovea

Even up until Thursday, there was really only two AI organisations represented, as Progressive Genetics and Munster are really one outfit.
Since then it is one AI outfit calling the shots.

whelan2

Would it be possible to get the make up of the icbf board when it was set up first?

Bellview

whelan2 wrote:

Would it be possible to get the make up of the icbf board when it was set up first?

Should be in archives . When it was set up munster and progressive were separate orgs so maybe reason behind 3 ai seats as big 3 were aligned and sligo were close to progressive.

patsy_mccabe

Worth having Bova AI in there too.

Bellview

patsy_mccabe wrote:

Worth having Bova AI in there too.

True but at the time icbf was set up bova had just ruffled a few feathers as they had won the high Court case around that time so I'm assuming the legacy ai companies along with dept of ag excluded bova...as there was a lot of concern in legacy ai companies that time

Hard Knocks

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Worth having Bova AI in there too.

Should all AI companies have a level playing field no matter the size

mahoney_j

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Should all AI companies have a level playing field no matter the size

Not bothered as long as things stay progresing as they are .ai companies test bulls ,buy bulls and get the best ones thru to stud and into ai.the icbf has huge role to play in the way all our records are compiled and then presented to us in simple format there isn’t many of us that don’t use icbf in some form be it sire advice ,looking up bulls ,milk recording ,inbreeding checks I could go on that’s all I’m interested in and not who sits on its board

Sheep breeder

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Worth having Bova AI in there too.

Yes agree with you they are trying hard and bringing in good bulls, not just picking breeders names instead of quality as some are doing, bova have a new charolais bull in from France in the last couple of weeks and seen him last summer on farm and impressive.

whelan2

Don't ncbc have the top 6 or 7 ebi bulls in the country,? They must be doing something right if so

mahoney_j

whelan2 wrote: »

Don't ncbc have the top 6 or 7 ebi bulls in the country,? They must be doing something right if so

They do and there’s an Element of one company in particular throwing their toys out of pram too when they don’t get there way

Bellview

mahoney_j wrote:

They do and there’s an Element of one company in particular throwing their toys out of pram too when they don’t get there way

Love the maturity of some comments as in fairness we are all absent of the facts...but if have facts pleae share.
Whether you agree or not having one ai organisation representing all ai is not good as does not offer diversity of views or opinions..especially as icbf are also only organisation with responsibility for driving the national herd forward whether we agree with their views or not.

Sheep breeder

whelan2 wrote: »

Don't ncbc have the top 6 or 7 ebi bulls in the country,? They must be doing something right if so

But with what reliability figures

charolais0153

I like dovea bulls but it always seems that munster have the very popular really big hitters...lgl,adx.fsz,zag. No dovea bulls become household names in that regard imo

Limestone Cowboy

charolais0153 wrote: »

I like dovea bulls but it always seems that munster have the very popular really big hitters...lgl,adx.fsz,zag. No dovea bulls become household names in that regard imo

Is that because they are a bigger and better set up company than the other AI companies though I often wondered, they might be further ahead genitacally on the dairy side (I'm not sure of this) but I don't think ncbc have the best beef bulls.

freedominacup

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Should all AI companies have a level playing field no matter the size

No. I was just reading the article in the comic. No AI company should have any vote or representation on that board full stop. They're not paying for it. We are. Set some fairly high technical qualifications for board members and an online voting system for farmers, who should be shareholders through their fees, to vote and off you go. Commercial interests blocking competitors from the board of a "public" body is a situation that should never be countenanced.

Bullocks

freedominacup wrote: »

No. I was just reading the article in the comic. No AI company should have any vote or representation on that board full stop. They're not paying for it. We are. Set some fairly high technical qualifications for board members and an online voting system for farmers, who should be shareholders through their fees, to vote and off you go. Commercial interests blocking competitors from the board of a "public" body is a situation that should never be countenanced.

Agree 100% , probably never happen though unfortunately