Cameras for calving shed

Mondo123

Hi all, looking for some help in types of cameras to use in the calving shed.
Coming with limited knowledge but looking for reasonably priced options.
Would have good 3 mobile access in the shed which might work for WiFi through a SIM etc
Thanks in advance for your help with this

Trasna1

Mondo123 wrote: »

Hi all, looking for some help in types of cameras to use in the calving shed.
Coming with limited knowledge but looking for reasonably priced options.
Would have good 3 mobile access in the shed which might work for WiFi through a SIM etc
Thanks in advance for your help with this

How far away is the home house to the calving shed? Do you have line of sight to it from home?

Mondo123

House is Only about 25 metres in front of the shed, there is WiFi in the house but only about 2mg, waiting on fibre to be installed end of the year

lab man

I got 2 cams done here not recordable and are stationary 1000 all in. If I was going again I'd get the camera that can go 360 degrees

Trasna1

Mondo123 wrote: »

House is Only about 25 metres in front of the shed, there is WiFi in the house but only about 2mg, waiting on fibre to be installed end of the year

Forget about mobile broadband so - you are so close and it's too expensive and too rubbish. Would you want to watch it on a TV in the house or on a PC or phone?

Minimum you'll need are: 50m Cat 5e cable, 50rj45 plugs (you'll need a few to practice) rj45 crimper total for the wiring €30. Point to point links, tp link and ubiquity do good ones, about €120 for the pair. Simple PoE camera €45 eBay. Waterproof external box for the plugs etc in shed €20. A really good HD system can be built for less than €200, and a lot less if you get second hand parts from office closures.

I built a system for the father like the above. I installed an extra converter box as well for viewing on the kitchen tv (mini nvr €60) it's usually left on, beats most of rte anyway.

Mondo123

Wow fair play, that sounds like the right job. Coming from a very basic technical knowledge it seems quite in depth, did you follow any guidelines on what to do from anywhere?

Trasna1

Mondo123 wrote: »

Wow fair play, that sounds like the right job. Coming from a very basic technical knowledge it seems quite in depth, did you follow any guidelines on what to do from anywhere?

I followed some YouTube videos on networking. The trickiests parts are changing all the default IP addresses to match the range your router gives out as well as learning how to crimp the connectors on to the network cable. It sounds a lot more intimidating than it is - I have no networking professional training either.

You can always get pre crimped cables but they won't fit down wall conduit. It's also neater to make up your own as you'll have loads of slack if you buy them in pre crimped lengths.
A cat 5e cable tester is invaluable if you are making up your own cables. Costs about €5 on eBay. Once you've crimped it right 5 times you'll be flying.

Farmer

Trasna1 wrote: »

......Would you want to watch it on a TV in the house or on a PC or phone?.....
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That's the first thing you need to decide as that decides your system. A basic indoor analog camera and a bit of cat5 or coax would have you commected to a tv for not much more than a hundred. Not much more for a simple IP based setup to you phone - the biggest job would be running in the cat5 cable from the shed to your router, or setting up the wifi extenders (more expensive) It's all upwards from there, waterproof outdoor camera, PTZ, external access over the internet etc

There should be at least one older thread on here about it

Mondo123

Yea to be honest I'd say viewing from the phone would be the option we would be looking for. I did see a thread last year on it an read it just thought I would ask again as technology changes so fast was thinking someone would have some newer ideas etc. Thanks for the responses

Trasna1

Farmer wrote: »

That's the first thing you need to decide as that decides your system. A basic indoor analog camera and a bit of cat5 or coax would have you commected to a tv for not much more than a hundred. Not much more for a simple IP based setup to you phone - the biggest job would be running in the cat5 cable from the shed to your router, or setting up the wifi extenders (more expensive) It's all upwards from there, waterproof outdoor camera, PTZ, external access over the internet etc

There should be at least one older thread on here about it

I personally think analogue is a waste of time these days. Quality is terrible and it's harder to extend the number of cameras.
I wouldn't recommend running cat5e from the shed to the house direct. There is a risk with earthing.

Trasna1

Mondo123 wrote: »

Yea to be honest I'd say viewing from the phone would be the option we would be looking for. I did see a thread last year on it an read it just thought I would ask again as technology changes so fast was thinking someone would have some newer ideas etc. Thanks for the responses

I think your main problem will be the internet available in your house, 2mbps is only 0.2mbps upload which will mean that your phone will struggle to put an image together at times - you can bet your backside it will let you down when you need it.

Although with fiber broadband those problems mostly go away, unless the mobile network is congested, like if you were at a match in croke park, you could forget about checking in with the cows at home.

Attached is a clip of an image from mobile phone of our calving camera today (the whole view is much wider) - cows are out thankfully!

orm0nd

ptz all the way... maybe something like this

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sricam-720P-Wireless-Wifi-Dome-Waterproof-WLAN-Network-IR-CUT-PT-CCTV-IP-Camera/122690797588?epid=887294739&hash=item1c90f10014:g:nQcAAOSwdW9aJVLJ

either get an unlocked dongle on Amazon or from 3
about 7 GB per month should cover the cam

get a mobile sim card from 3 , put it in a phone and make 1 call , then use it in the dongle/device
http://www.three.ie/plans/phone/prepay/
use the 3Internet apn and you will be able to log in from any phone, laptop etc,
you home internet is loads good for viewing
no need to top up the sim if not using during the summer

about 150 euro should have you and running

this cam cost a bit more but is covering a 4 bay double sided sheep shed, cam is about 40 feet away

Farmer

orm0nd

Can you clarify how finding the camera/dongle IP address works please. Will this not be changed periodically by three, or are you accessing it over some cloud based service provided by the camera vendor?

Trasna1

Farmer wrote: »

orm0nd

Can you clarify how finding the camera/dongle IP address works please. Will this not be changed periodically by three, or are you accessing it over some cloud based service provided by the camera vendor?

I'd be interested to know as well. Up until I had the fixed connection I used a setup similar to orm0nd, but had to use noip for dynamic dns service. Was a pain in the arse logging in once a month for the free service.

I also had to make sure that the router I used had a dynamic dns function. Ended up with an industrial teltonika 3g router I picked up from an office clear out

Timmaay

If you have good 3 4g in the house now it's an utter no brainer to get yourself a 4g router and ditch the landline 2mb, even if only for the 6months till you get Fibre. You can get a 4g modem for 150 and use a three payg ayce 20e/month Sim package, I'm doing that here, 7 to 14mb/s, and then for the calving cameras I got a wifi ip 4 night vision camera cctv system for about 280e, no cables back to the house, only power needed for each camera, and it came with an app for the phone.

orm0nd

Farmer wrote: »

orm0nd

Can you clarify how finding the camera/dongle IP address works please. Will this not be changed periodically by three, or are you accessing it over some cloud based service provided by the camera vendor?

Use DDNS or some providers will give you a static Ip ad. on request (usually a small once off fee)

Lambman

Got 2 here with night vision and zoom and can move it about using the phone both vertical and horizontal... cost €300 That's setup and all and includes the 3 wifi dongle with a months credit on it. Can record aswell if you put a sd card in it... i used it for lambing shed but u can put it on motion detect aswell till just record when it senses something if you were using it as a security camera.

Tomjim

Lambman wrote: »

Got 2 here with night vision and zoom and can move it about using the phone both vertical and horizontal... cost €300 That's setup and all and includes the 3 wifi dongle with a months credit on it. Can record aswell if you put a sd card in it... i used it for lambing shed but u can put it on motion detect aswell till just record when it senses something if you were using it as a security camera.

Where did you source the equipment, it looks good value

Lambman

Friend of mine's... but he has an advert on done deal there it's in Donegal search lambing cameras and refine it till Donegal it's up 20 days his name is paul