Fear TWD | Season 4 | Episode 3 | Good Out Here [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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Fear The Walking Dead - Season 4

Episode 3 - "Good Out Here"

Airdate - April 29th on AMC at 9/8c | May 7th on AMC UK at 9PM

Madison and Morgan try to help Nick find inner peace; a quest for revenge exacts its toll on the group

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Promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUubVSqlXEM

Hande hoche!

6

Well that was unexpected.

Captain Red Beard

I was not expecting that.

Agent Coulson

5

Very unexpected however happy to see that character go to be honest.



I just don't think that person is good at the whole acting thing.

Wibbs

This is why I prefer FTWD over the main show. They're not afraid to take risks and move things along quickly and do so without the amateur theatrical foreshadowing of the main show.

One question strikes me: his Ma is shown in flashback and Nick was really hungry for that guy's blood, is his Ma also gone? I didn't see any of the promos for the series so dunno if she's shown in more scenes?

pjohnson

Wibbs wrote: »

This is why I prefer FTWD over the main show. They're not afraid to take risks and move things along quickly and do so without the amateur theatrical foreshadowing of the main show.

One question strikes me: his Ma is shown in flashback and Nick was really hungry for that guy's blood, is his Ma also gone? I didn't see any of the promos for the series so dunno if she's shown in more scenes?

She has only ever appeared in the Flashbacks.

LionelNashe

7

One less psychopath.

I hope Morgan isn't going to keep coming out with all that boring moralising baggage from the other series. Next they'll be reading out the letters from Saint Carl to the Alexandrians again.

fritzelly

7

Wow, unexpected

Wibbs wrote: »

This is why I prefer FTWD over the main show. They're not afraid to take risks and move things along quickly and do so without the amateur theatrical foreshadowing of the main show.

One question strikes me: his Ma is shown in flashback and Nick was really hungry for that guy's blood, is his Ma also gone? I didn't see any of the promos for the series so dunno if she's shown in more scenes?

Been thinking that as well, and the symbolism hints at it

Looks like this is a total reboot

Keplar240B

Unearthly

Wow didn't think they'd kill off him. Madison is still alive I reckon. She is the Rick of the show and should be safe

duridian

7

Woah! That came totally out of left field.

expectationlost

Wibbs wrote: »

This is why I prefer FTWD over the main show. They're not afraid to take risks and move things along quickly and do so without the amateur theatrical foreshadowing of the main show.

One question strikes me: his Ma is shown in flashback and Nick was really hungry for that guy's blood, is his Ma also gone? I didn't see any of the promos for the series so dunno if she's shown in more scenes?

the actor wanted out

fritzelly

7

Funny thing is - the kid has better aim than Rick (trained cop), straight for the kill shot lol

thegreengoblin

8

That was brilliant. Didn't expect the ending at all. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens as Nick has basically been the soul of this show from the start. On the surface Madison may be the 'Rick' character but it's Nick who has taken risks and gone beyond himself. His character has been explored more than anyone else's and he's a big loss to the show.

Regarding Madison I was assuming that she had been killed by the Vulture lad but now I don't know. Maybe he did something that caused a major schism between Madison and Nick although certainly from Nick's violent reaction you'd have to assume something awful happened.

As for Morgan they can't keep touching on the old tormented soul aspect of his character. I was getting uneasy at the thoughts of a Morgan/Nick mentor/apprentice situation so now that it's not going to happen maybe Morgan's character can develop in other areas.

What I like about this show is there's no fat to it, unlike WD. It's lean and focused, and just gets on with telling the story.

Wibbs

expectationlost wrote: »

the actor wanted out

regardless E FTWD has not been afraid to introduce a character and situation and deal with them or it at a much faster pace than the main show. They killed off a load of the characters now. Alicia's boyfriend lasted a couple of episodes, Ophelia's ma, the ex wife of Travis all close to the action characters in the first season along with a few others. Travis gets offed. Alicia loses another boyfriend. And his brother. And father. Then Ophelia dies. Her da may or may not be dead(hopefully not). His potential love interest at the dam also gone. The baddy at the dam, shows up does bad things and within a few episodes he's killed by Salazar. Done and dusted. The Proctor fella and his gang show up, do bad things and probably gone now, or at least the story has moved on from them. Compare to TWD. How long has Negan been hamming up our screens? FTWD is a lot more fast paced and for me more interesting. I hope they continue in that vein and don't pick up the zombie infection from the main show.

Scraggs

So great when a character dies and just dies there and then, not dragged out over a few episodes or a fake out! Nick was an interesting character but I hated the actor.

The Morgan/Nick "mentor" storyline would have worked much better than the Morgan/Kingdom chap because Nick was a developed character with ongoing issues unlike your man from the Kingdom with the brother who's name I can't remember (says it all). That said I'm glad they didn't go that route.

thegreengoblin

8

Wibbs wrote: »

regardless E FTWD has not been afraid to introduce a character and situation and deal with them or it at a much faster pace than the main show. They killed off a load of the characters now. Alicia's boyfriend lasted a couple of episodes, Ophelia's ma, the ex wife of Travis all close to the action characters in the first season along with a few others. Travis gets offed. Alicia loses another boyfriend. And his brother. And father. Then Ophelia dies. Her da may or may not be dead(hopefully not). His potential love interest at the dam also gone. The baddy at the dam, shows up does bad things and within a few episodes he's killed by Salazar. Done and dusted. The Proctor fella and his gang show up, do bad things and probably gone now, or at least the story has moved on from them. Compare to TWD. How long has Negan been hamming up our screens? FTWD is a lot more fast paced and for me more interesting. I hope they continue in that vein and don't pick up the zombie infection from the main show.

I think the main show held its own in this regard up to and including the season 7 premiere. Plenty of main characters bit the bullet up until that point. Shane, Dale, Tyreese, Hershel, Beth, Andrea, Merle, the Governor not to mention Glenn and Abraham. That's a fair old turnover. But certainly over the last two seasons the sense that anyone can die at any moment is more or less gone. Carl being the exception and that was poorly handled. The rest were just cannon fodder.

tom_k

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I also did not see that coming. I really liked Nick's character who I think has always fought demons yet has been befriended by all he met. I just found him very interesting (as have many characters on the show since season 1) and well written.

The scene of his death was handled excellently, a kid who has been unexpectedly mortally wounded, the actor expressed perfect shock, fear and a sense of hopeless loss. No waiting for him to turn, no writing of reams of letters, no words of hope for those who surround him. Also no crap of turning it into a cliffhanger to see if he lives or not. I found it quite sad which to me says so much about the quality of writing and direction on FTWD.

bazz26

The difference with this show and the main show now is that when a regular character gets killed off on FTWD most viewers rightfully see it as bit of a surprise. On the main show most viewers wish they would just kill half the characters and move on.

While Nick's character wasn't going to win any awards, I thought while being borderline psychotic it was his unpredictable ability to flip from psycho to somewhat normal like a switch made him interesting especially when he was with Troy. Not too many original characters left now which is no bad thing really. It keeps the story from going stale, I remember when the main show used to be like that.

fritzelly

7

bazz26 wrote: »

The difference with this show and the main show now is that when a regular character gets killed off on FTWD most viewers rightfully see it as bit of a surprise. On the main show most viewers wish they would just kill half the characters and move on.

While Nick's character wasn't going to win any awards, I thought while being borderline psychotic it was his unpredictable ability to flip from psycho to somewhat normal like a switch made him interesting especially when he was with Troy. Not too many original characters left now which is no bad thing really. It keeps the story from going stale, I remember when the main show used to be like that.

FTWD has the advantage of being able to make their own story up as they go
TWD is trying to follow the comics so a bit more limited, like Glen for instance - think he was supposed to have been killed off a lot earlier than he did

bazz26

The flexibility of an original storyline certainly helps but TWD used to vere a bit off course from the comic from time to time in the earlier seasons too. A good bit of stuff in the comic hasn't made to the tv series too.

Kirby

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Regarding Madison I was assuming that she had been killed by the Vulture lad but now I don't know. Maybe he did something that caused a major schism between Madison and Nick although certainly from Nick's violent reaction you'd have to assume something awful happened.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she loses a hand in the fight for the stadium. Maybe its a bit of stretch but when ure man that Nick killed was loading stuff into the car, he asked if he wanted to give him a hand. It's just the way he said it and plus it made Nick go mental.

Probably way off but it struck me immediately when he said it. Plus, the original walking dead comics dealt with a main character losing a hand and that hasn't happened in that (apart from Daryl's bro) so maybe they are using it in Fear instead.

Yester

Kirby wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she loses a hand in the fight for the stadium. Maybe its a bit of stretch but when ure man that Nick killed was loading stuff into the car, he asked if he wanted to give him a hand. It's just the way he said it and plus it made Nick go mental.

Probably way off but it struck me immediately when he said it. Plus, the original walking dead comics dealt with a main character losing a hand and that hasn't happened in that (apart from Daryl's bro) so maybe they are using it in Fear instead.

Didn't someone ask Victor what happened to his hand? Maybe the vultures started cutting their hands off and Victor was saved so his hand was just injured.

I liked Nick and was suprised to see him die but it's great for the show that these things can just happen suddenly.

mzungu

That was a surprise ending! I enjoyed Nick's as a character but I was fearing he was going to turn into Morgan's disciple with that master/student stuff they had going on. It's great that he show has the element of surprise about it, something that has been missing more or less over the past few seasons on TWD.

mzungu

Wibbs wrote: »

regardless E FTWD has not been afraid to introduce a character and situation and deal with them or it at a much faster pace than the main show. They killed off a load of the characters now. Alicia's boyfriend lasted a couple of episodes, Ophelia's ma, the ex wife of Travis all close to the action characters in the first season along with a few others. Travis gets offed. Alicia loses another boyfriend. And his brother. And father. Then Ophelia dies. Her da may or may not be dead(hopefully not). His potential love interest at the dam also gone. The baddy at the dam, shows up does bad things and within a few episodes he's killed by Salazar. Done and dusted. The Proctor fella and his gang show up, do bad things and probably gone now, or at least the story has moved on from them. Compare to TWD. How long has Negan been hamming up our screens? FTWD is a lot more fast paced and for me more interesting. I hope they continue in that vein and don't pick up the zombie infection from the main show.

IIRC he escaped the bridge at the end of last season. Plus, he has some unfinished business with Strang that I'm sure will be worked into the plot at some point in the future.

PhiloCypher

Kinda puzzled by the timing of the death. a) They established Nick was suicidal in last seasons finale and was on the dam when it began to disinintergrate, if he was being written out surely that would have been the place to do it , rather then 3 episodes onto the new season. Reminds one of Glens fakeout death, then actual death at the hands of Negan a half dozen(?) episodes later. Its also bizarre because rather then Nick's Story playing out in both timelines and culminating in his death in a mid or full season finale we have him dying 3 episodes in in the present timeline while still lingering on the Baseball stadium one.

Did the actor want out? was he sacrificed to make room for the new characters ?

fritzelly

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PhiloCypher wrote: »

Did the actor want out? was he sacrificed to make room for the new characters ?

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duridian

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Kirby wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she loses a hand in the fight for the stadium. Maybe its a bit of stretch but when ure man that Nick killed was loading stuff into the car, he asked if he wanted to give him a hand. It's just the way he said it and plus it made Nick go mental.

Probably way off but it struck me immediately when he said it. Plus, the original walking dead comics dealt with a main character losing a hand and that hasn't happened in that (apart from Daryl's bro) so maybe they are using it in Fear instead.

That's a good suggestion. Possibility that Madison gets put in a situation by the Vultures which directly results in her getting bitten on the hand or wrist area.
Then it is an amputate and hope it didn't already spread scenario, which could go either way. Nick's rage, and the absence of Madison in the group who met Morgan & co. is suggestive of a negative outcome. Time will tell I suppose.