The last time you dealt with other anti social passenger(s)

5rtytry56

Were they part of a group? Was it a single person? On a bus or train?
A while back an drunk old man got on the Dublin bus with a bottle of port. He tried to chat up another young girl. Another middle age man was having none of it unconnected with the girl the upshot was he beat up the old man. Before they caught it other, I moved from my seat.ad I was too close for comfort as a spectator.
The old man got off the bus and so did the guy who beat him up. Because he was drunk, the old man should not have been let on.

thebull85

5rtytry56 wrote: »

Were they part of a group? Was it a single person? On a bus or train?
A while back an drunk old man got on the Dublin bus with a bottle of port. He tried to chat up another young girl. Another middle age man was having none of it unconnected with the girl the upshot was he beat up the old man. Before they caught it other, I moved from my seat.ad I was too close for comfort as a spectator.
The old man got off the bus and so did the guy who beat him up. Because he was drunk, the old man should not have been let on.

The guy that beat the old man up should of been arrested.

Chris_5339762

Three absolute knackery teenage girls got on the Luas with plastic pint glasses full of coke. It was rammed on there. One guy was having none of it and told them to get off with those, that they'd spill the minute the tram moved. Initially they didn't go but he kept on until they left, calling him every name under the sun and a freak and a weirdo.

They left. Proof that it wasn't just coke? They didn't throw it at him. There had to be half vodka in there.

Lord Glentoran

thebull85 wrote: »

The guy that beat the old man up should of been arrested.

Call the grammar police!

vg88

I use to stand up on Dublin Bus a lot, but after having these two events I am much more conscious. You never know what could happen when you step in.

Got threaten by a fella in his 30s he'd kick my head in after he punched a 14 year in the head and I'd asked to see if the young fella was ok

A junkie tried to rob me on the bus with a knife after I left the top of the double decker to tell the bus driver they were smoking herion. The fella didn't get kicked off and later came downstairs to sit beside me. Thankfully he was too out of it to do anything with the knife.

dashcamdanny

moloner4 wrote: »

I use to stand up on Dublin Bus a lot, but after having these two events I am much more conscious. You never know what could happen when you step in.

Got threaten by a fella in his 30s he'd kick my head in after he punched a 14 year in the head and I'd asked to see if the young fella was ok

A junkie tried to rob me on the bus with a knife after I left the top of the double decker to tell the bus driver they were smoking herion. The fella didn't get kicked off and later came downstairs to sit beside me. Thankfully he was too out of it to do anything with the knife.

You should continue to stand up to these low lifes.

The problem with Dublin sometimes is that no one has the balls to stand up to disorderly conduct. Leaves it to the driver. The company may not stand behind the driver, and he may get sacked for leaving his cab or laying hands on some drunk idiot.

Stephen15

dashcamdanny wrote: »

You should continue to stand up to these low lifes.

The problem with Dublin sometimes is that no one has the balls to stand up to disorderly conduct. Leaves it to the driver. The company may not stand behind the driver, and he may get sacked for leaving his cab or laying hands on some drunk idiot.

But the driver could do the same just sit back in the cab and let the incident unfold or is it a damned if you do damned if you don't type situation for the driver.

dashcamdanny

Stephen15 wrote: »

But the driver could do the same just sit back in the cab and let the incident unfold or is it a damned if you do damned if you don't type situation for the driver.

It is. And there will be 10 people filming you on their phones on top.

fly_agaric

5rtytry56 wrote: »

Were they part of a group? Was it a single person? On a bus or train?

On a bus a few years ago. Brawl broke out between 3 people on top deck in the middle of the day (!). I didn't "deal with them" (edit: don't have a death wish). Went downstairs, told driver and he pulled over the bus.

The fighters went downstairs + up to the front door when bus pulled over (presume they got worried driver was going to call the guards on them or whatever). Driver then opened door and let them out to continue fighting on the footpath + drove off...!

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Remember a great one when I was doing a nitelink one night. Was very close to dalkey.

There was a young couple sitting together upstairs middle of the bus minding their own business on the way home after a night out, queitly talking to each other.

One lad in particular was drunk as a monkey and slobbering all over the kip. He sat opposite the couple after walking up and down and doing the rounds of people and starts talking to them annoyingly to them. He was more interested in the female though and from what I could see on CCTV possibly trying to get some fun out of her.

Anyway herself and her boyfriend was having none of it and guestured / told him to back off / leave them alone . The drunk stood up in that aggressive arms out manner and went up to him antagonising him to hit him and that he'd knock him out etc.

He got rather annoying and the guy with the girl stood up, clocked him in the face and your man hit the deck. He grabbed his girlfriend , came down the stairs and said to me " Sorry about that mate, can I get the next stop please" ..... I said "your grand, I saw he was annoying you , work away there." And off they went and straight into a taxi.

I drove on and 5 mins later your man came down the stairs with a big swollen bloody nose shouting at me "why didnt you do anything you prick" .. told him "because you deserved it for being a gob****e , now get the f*** off the bus "

He made all sorts of threats etc and even punched the screen (which I had up for this idiot)

Just said yeah yeah enjoy that sore nose in the morning as he walked off. Qué kicking the body of the bus as I drove off. Just laughed after that !



Just to make a point on my attitude , nitelinks are a different kettle of fish than day work so no I wouldn't allow that slobbering around during the day and if I thought somebody would be messy getting on a bus during the day , they wouldn't be getting on at all but nitelinks was nearly designed with drunks in mind, so a different attitude required !

XPS_Zero

Was coming towards Connoly on the Enterprise.

I had gone up to the Restaurant carriage to get closer to the gates at the end (needed to turn around to get to the DART). I saw down and continued reading a book on my tablet. I saw a phone and earphones and can on the desk in front of me, and for a sec I was wondering if someone left it behind, but realized they were probably just in the bathroom and went back to reading.

I felt a punch in the head. It was really hard, I'd taken a few punches in my time, so I wasn't stunned, but it did hurt. I looked up and on instinct jumped up as I looked and shoved him with both hands across to the wall where he slid to the floor, stumbling back up "whaz de staary boss? whas that fer boss?" picking up the can of booze.
"you just punched me in the head"
"(not discernible knacker noises and grunts)
He kept coming back towards me and I kept having to shove him back (I wasn't backing up). It was an easy thing for me to knock him unconscious in one blow but I kept hearing my security job boss in my head "DE-escalate, always deescalate). I knew that there could be more of them, vermin of this type tend to reproduce at an alarming rate, reminds one of bacteria under a microscope. It was always drilled into me in work to use proportionate force because that's all the law allows in self defense "minimum necessary force" and it would only make me look more reasonable.

As I was about to call it a day and just knock him out i saw Connoly out the window and 4 security guys waiting so that was the end of that. Luckily of the the train crew had radiod ahead to tell them.







Other time I encountered what I considered anti-social was on the Luas. I was studying for an exam and had my backpack for college right beside me on the seat next to me. It was mid day the tram was maybe 40% full, plenty of seats. A guy kept picking my bag up and hurling it to the ground. I was forced to correct him by making him distracted by the sprained wrist and nearly broken fingers in his right hand. If the Luas had gotten busy I would have left the bag at my feet, but I needed quick access to my stuff it was easier for me to leave it there. EVen if the tram had been busy I would say nobody has a right to touch your stuff, they can just say to you "it's getting busy maybe you should stick that on the floor".




The worst was, ironically given what I have to say about skangers, on UCD campus. The bus swung around and let everyone off at one of the two incampus termini. It disgorged students and we were mostly drunk despite it only being about 8/9pm. The first years, who were, of course, culchies, had wrecked the top of the bus, and I mean WRECKED it, windows written on, broken, seats torn, the works. Why do I say of course? Well others may have noticed that country parents seem to over-control their kids way too much during their secondary school life (guys and girls) to the point where (both, but esp the latter - but that's guys fault were told) have too much fun and let the reigns off too far when they get the slightest taste of freedom living on campus or in private acccomidation nearby. Like an elastic band slapping back.
Following the bus were two squad cars filled with guards. The six of us who were 2nd years walked on and guards were about to stop us when the driver yelled "not them the ones upstairs!". They can't iron, cook for themselves, keep their rooms clean but they can be really really really irresponsible. Maybe if their parents didn't try to smother them quite as much they'd not over react this way later.

MGWR

5rtytry56 wrote: »

Were they part of a group? Was it a single person? On a bus or train?
A while back a drunk old man got on the Dublin bus with a bottle of port. He tried to chat up another young girl. Another middle age man was having none of it unconnected with the girl the upshot was he beat up the old man. Before they caught it other, I moved from my seat.ad I was too close for comfort as a spectator.
The old man got off the bus and so did the guy who beat him up. Because he was drunk, the old man should not have been let on.

By saying "other anti-social passengers", you're claiming to be an anti-social passenger yourself :pac: and to "deal with" can mean to stop them from misbehaving.

BTW, "another young girl"? The old fellow with the bottle of port had a young girl with him already, or self-identified as a young girl? And who threw the first punch? No route number? How long ago is "a while back"?

Back when DB still had conductors, the guards could be summoned quicker, or so I had the impression. Or maybe people were better behaved on the whole, although I do remember bus service to places like Finglas and Ballymun being truncated on occasion.

And over in the USA, I used to see buses (these had digital destination signs back in the 1980s) testing out a message on the destination sign that said "Emergency - Call Police"; don't know if those were ever used in earnest though.

Del.Monte

'Back when DB still had conductors, the guards could be summoned quicker, or so I had the impression. Or maybe people were better behaved on the whole,'

Half the population weren't out of their heads on drugs back when we had bus conductors.

magicbastarder

back in the 80s? yeah, no heroin in dublin in the 80s.

Del.Monte

magicbastarder wrote: »

back in the 80s? yeah, no heroin in dublin in the 80s.

There were a damn sight less drugs in Dublin back in the '80s and you were far less like to meet up with a stoner on public transport but that's going off topic.

mcgucc22

Del.Monte wrote: »

There were a damn sight less drugs in Dublin back in the '80s and you were far less like to meet up with a stoner on public transport but that's going off topic.

Don't think I've ever seen a 'stoner' cause trouble ever on public transport or elsewhere tbh.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Deedsie wrote: »

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Not criticising you or your post but is there a more depressing sentence to describe Irish people's relationship with alcohol. It's embarrassing the way people behave when drunk

The attitude was actually from the company and inspectors themselves.

If I said your man was flutered to an inspector, what should I do ?

I'd be told , sure look, just get him out of here and close to where he's going.

That's all they wanted, was the druken people out of town where they couldn't cause so much trouble. The inspector wouldn't come out to help you if people we're smoking or don't good knows what on the bus, you were told to just keep it going and get rid of them.

So unfortunately for people going home from work etc, they had to put up with it and so did we, I just had to ignore what was going on behind me unless it was a real issue like when being harassed etc

But the company line was to drivers, shut up and go.


During the day on regular service however, all rules applied.

I think because of this Dublin may never have a true civilized 24hour bus service

Technocentral

Haven't been upstairs on a bus in 20 years, you are asking for trouble if you go up there on most routes, people need to use common sense.

schemingbohemia

Technocentral wrote: »

Haven't been upstairs on a bus in 20 years, you are asking for trouble if you go up there on most routes, people need to use common sense.

How do you know if you haven't been upstairs in 20 years?

I nearly always end up upstairs, 99% of the time no problems whatsoever.

Technocentral

schemingbohemia wrote: »

How do you know if you haven't been upstairs in 20 years?

I nearly always end up upstairs, 99% of the time no problems whatsoever.

For example when low life types get on the 40 or 140 I use, 9/10 times they head upstairs. Not rocket science.

Technocentral

Deedsie wrote: »

That's ridiculous. I have been on buses in Dublin, Limerick and national buses between the two and you very rarely see anything remotely dangerous. Except the behaviour of motorists driving beside the bus.

Read the posts here relating to ant social behaviour on buses in this thread, they all have "upstairs" in common. Low lifes obviously want to get as far away from driver as possible, not rocket science.

Stephen15

Technocentral wrote: »

Read the posts here relating to ant social behaviour on buses in this thread, they all have "upstairs" in common. Low lifes obviously want to get as far away from driver as possible, not rocket science.

Except the thing is that I would imagine 95% of journies made by DB go un interrupted by anti social behaviour. If your taking the 76, 40, 27 or 13 after dark then I might be inclined to sit downstairs if not I will go upstairs out of habit. I nearly always sit upstairs and I can't ever remember having any issues the routes I tend to use are 46a, 145, 75, 63 and 84 and I've never had any problems.

Would you sit upstairs if you were on a bus that's packed downstairs and had plenty of seats upstairs. It's probably people like you as to why buses with loads of seats upstairs go past bus stops as the driver thinks they're full downstairs.

Would you sit upstairs if the driver told you to as I often witness drivers telling people when there's plenty of seats upstairs and downstairs is packed?

GLaDOS

I pretty much always sit upstairs on dublin bus (my logic being the downstairs seats are best left for people physically incapable of going upstairs). I've never had any serious trouble, you do the occasional disturbance.

bk

Technocentral wrote: »

Haven't been upstairs on a bus in 20 years, you are asking for trouble if you go up there on most routes, people need to use common sense.

I feel it is anti-social for an able bodied person not to use upstairs when they can.

I almost always use upstairs as I feel downstairs should be kept free for elderly, mobility impaired, wheelchairs, buggies, etc.

In 15 years of doing that in Dublin I can think of only one anti-social incident I saw upstairs and it didn't directly involve me. And that includes me frequently taking the 13 and some other Northside routes at all hours.

I really don't understand all the young, very able bodied looking, people standing around downstairs blocking up the entrance way and buggy/wheelchair bay when their is loads of space upstairs!

These days I often take my little one on the bus in the buggy and the number of times I've had to shoo young people out of the buggy bay or even worse shoo the young person who has been hanging onto the pole by the driver for the last ten stops and now you are trying to get past them with the buggy!

Makes no sense at all, it really isn't dangerous upstairs! Go upstairs people!

fly_agaric

Technocentral wrote: »

Read the posts here relating to ant social behaviour on buses in this thread, they all have "upstairs" in common. Low lifes obviously want to get as far away from driver as possible, not rocket science.

Its okay during the day 99.9 % of the time.
The "antisocial" types always sit right down the back upstairs (when those seats are available), are vastly outnumbered by "joe normal" and its very, very rare in the day time that they do anything outrageous like start fighting, intimidating other passengers etc. At night (late), if bus is fairly empty I do tend to be more cautious + stay downstairs!

john boye

"other" anti-social passengers? What are you accusing us all of?!

Technocentral

fly_agaric wrote:

Its okay during the day 99.9 % of the time. The "antisocial" types always sit right down the back upstairs (when those seats are available), are vastly outnumbered by "joe normal" and its very, very rare in the day time that they do anything outrageous like start fighting, intimidating other passengers etc. At night (late), if bus is fairly empty I do tend to be more cautious + stay downstairs!

This doesn't happen in peak hours, tends to be mostly evenings alright when busses aren't packed.

Keyzer

Guy I work with witnessed a ridiculous situation on the DART a couple of weeks ago.

Some scobie thought it would be a great idea to jack up on heroin in front of everyone at 7:45AM. Bloke sitting beside him was a huge son of a bitch and, when said scobie started preparing his hit, the guy beside him calmly told him if he did what he was planning to do he would kick the sh1t out of him.

Scobie goes mad and gets off the train at the next stop.

PlaneSpeeking

I've started to play a game heading to Heuston on the red line.

You see a skanker misbehaving and just know they're getting off at Smithfield, In the last fortnight I've never been wrong - three drunks, one junkie and a gang of "young ladies" with four kids between them.