Contract of indefinite duration?

Ace2007

Hi guys,

Can someone explain to me in simple English what the difference is between a contract of indefinite duration and a permanent role. I have seen this advertised for some roles and just want to understand it better.

When I google it, most people seem to be on contracts 3+ years and if relates to this, but for a job at the outset to advertise it I'm bit lost.

skallywag

The difference may be with the termination possibility, i.e. it could be a rolling contract with no fixed expiry date, which rolls over from one month to the next, but where the employer can terminate for convenience with a relatively short notice period without the need to pay any redundancy, etc.

El Tarangu

OP - where are the roles/parent-company based?

In Francophone countries, a 'CDI' would be the equivalent of a permanent contract.

Riskymove

I cannot see how a job here would be advertised as a contract of indefinite duration

In Ireland, if you are given a annual (or other period) contract for the same job and it keeps getting renewed you can obtain the right to be seen has having a contract of indefinite duration after 4 years.

Essentially you gain the rights of being a permanent employee but would have to take action to get this, through Labour Court etc.

The idea is to combat companies simply renewing contracts every year as a way of avoiding having to make staff permanent

skallywag

Riskymove wrote: »

The idea is to combat companies simply renewing contracts every year as a way of avoiding having to make staff permanent

There is also another side though, in that some workers will actually prefer to be on a such a rolling contract rather than being permanent, due to the ease of moving on if need be. Contract positions can typically be terminated for convenience by either party with a maximum of one months notice, some times even shorter, while on the other hand notice periods of 3 or even 4 months can be pretty common these days for certain permanent roles.

seamus

Yeah, it sounds like a foreign company directly translating their version of "rolling contract" into English.

As mentioned above, the main difference is that a permanent role contains specific conditions under which the job can be terminated. An indefinite contract will state a termination date for the contract, but will include a clause for the employer to renew the contract for another fixed period.

In Ireland, after 4 years on a rolling contract you have the right to be recognised as a permanent employee.

Riskymove

skallywag wrote: »

There is also another side though, in that some workers will actually prefer to be on a such a rolling contract rather than being permanent, .

which is fine as they wont take a case to be recognised as being on a cid

Kristopherus

In the P.S. a CDI is considered a permanent appointment.

Ace2007

Kristopherus wrote: »

In the P.S. a CDI is considered a permanent appointment.

The role was with the CB - https://www.irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Policy-Manager-Markets-Resilience-8163431.aspx

But why not just say permanent, seems a very odds way of describing it.

Riskymove

Ace2007 wrote: »

The role was with the CB - https://www.irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Policy-Manager-Markets-Resilience-8163431.aspx

But why not just say permanent, seems a very odds way of describing it.

in the summary at the top it says Permanent Full-time so don't know why it then mentions CID