'I don't think children are given proper education about drugs' - Mother of boy (15)

iguy

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-dont-think-children-are-given-proper-education-about-drugs-mother-of-boy-15-expelled-for-cannabis-possession-weeks-before-junior-cert-36819801.html
What do ye think, its like she's blaming the school, she should educate her son that drugs are illegal, and she should be looking into how the drugs came into his possession...

JCX BXC

Would the child be expelled if he was found with Alcohol? If so, then to be honest she's no case here.

Although, on a general point (not an act of retribution as this case is), better education around drugs and recreational substances in general is needed. A clear line should be drawn between soft drugs like cannibus and hard drugs like cocaine or heroin. While cannibus is illegal, don't allow some teen who smokes it to see it in the same light as Cocaine and move on to that easily. Equating all illegal drugs on the same blank canvas of "they're illegal so don't do it" is in my opinion, what causes alot of these issues.

Look at some of the addiction issues we see in cities and even towns around the country. We have great addiction centers etc but as a country we don't have the resources to deal with it. While you could allocate extra funds blah blah blah, how about you take on a wise approach by allowing soft drugs and hard drugs to have a clear line drawn in between them.

You can imagine for a teen that it's somewhat confusing to consider that Cannibus is an illegal substance, labeled with the word "DRUG" like many other much worse and more addictive substance, yet has so many important medical uses. If cannibus is seen as good yet illegal, what's stopping them thinking that the same doesn't go for other drugs?

North inner city hoodlum

Suspension is a bit harsh unless he was selling, why wasn't harm reduction cannabis classes offered?

The important question....

Was it good sh!t?

Uncharted

She was on liveline today giving out yards about the teachers not doing enough for him.... tell him about drugs yerself missus.....pure ol typical lazy parenting. She sounded a right weapon.

baylah17

Lazy parent blames teachers for her lazy parenting

jaxxx

baylah17 wrote: »

Lazy parent blames teachers for her lazy parenting

Probably uses the TV/tablet/games consoles/etc as babysitters too.

mzungu

It is not the schools fault. They can't be blamed for that pupil's decision.

Notorious

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Suspension is a bit harsh unless he was selling, why wasn't harm reduction cannabis classes offered?

Being caught with drugs in school should be expulsion. It doesn't matter how much is being carried, whether it's for selling or personal use. Expulsion from one school would mean being moved to another. Might act as a wake up call.

JCX BXC wrote:

Cannibus is an illegal substance, labeled with the word "DRUG" like many other much worse and more addictive substance, yet has so many important medical uses. If cannibus is seen as good yet illegal, what's stopping them thinking that the same doesn't go for other drugs?

While not as serious as class A drugs, cannabis use should not be promoted. There's a lot of negative side effects associated with smoking it; slower response times, poor memory, paranoia. When used medically, it's generally not in the smoking form. Cannabis oil, for example, can help treat severe epilepsy. It should be noted that CBD has no high associated with it.

Drugs are bad kids, m'kay.

jimmycrackcorm

iguy wrote: »

its like she's blaming the school, she should educate her son that drugs are illega

I tried to educate my youngling about sex and he nearly got sick when I tried to describe how his ma likes doing the 69.

Purple Mountain

Uncharted wrote: »

She was on liveline today giving out yards about the teachers not doing enough for him.... tell him about drugs yerself missus.....pure ol typical lazy parenting. She sounded a right weapon.

But you know Joe, us parends we don't have the bleethin toime to be teaching r chung wuns about dese thrugs.
Them teachers Joe, day're the wuns with the fancy coddege edukatin, dey shud telling de boyez and ghirls about de kokaine and funny pills loike *

*Just in case I'm accused of mocking this woman, I didn't actually hear this interview so all ramblings are from my own imagination!!

Noveight

The notion that a 15 year old who thought it'd be a good shout to bring weed to school is "devastated" that he can't study for his Junior Cert is laughable.

A parent who has raised their child poorly looking to shift the blame elsewhere.

North inner city hoodlum

Notorious wrote: »

Being caught with drugs in school should be expulsion. It doesn't matter how much is being carried, whether it's for selling or personal use. Expulsion from one school would mean being moved to another. Might act as a wake up call.

Drugs are bad kids, m'kay

It was weed not heroine and amount and if selling does matter also wouldn't you be pushing the problem to another school then?

Why wasn't cannabis harm reduction classes offered by the boards of management?

The mam proberaly doesn't no weed from herbs and spices.

Sandor Clegane

Just another mother expecting others to raise little Johnny. Nothing new.

BettePorter

You need to listen to the podcast tho to appreciate how how much of a dose she was being tho. She was basically indignant that lil Johnny was picked on when the school hadnt suitably taught them not to do.drugs. then it transpired he'd been suspended before messing in class . (We've all messed in class....how innocent are u that it leads to suspension. ?)

Overall she was saying he was devastated to now be educationless. ...when in reality you know heas happy out kbnowing his ma will defend him to the death.

donegaLroad

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

It was weed not heroine and amount and if selling does matter also wouldn't you be pushing the problem to another school then?

Why wasn't cannabis harm reduction classes offered by the boards of management?

The mam proberaly doesn't no weed from herbs and spices.

howdy....

for future reference, drop the 'e' in Heroin (no pun intended)

know what Im saying?

North inner city hoodlum

FFS the young lad was expelled, no harm reduction or even trying to keep the lad at school, anyone know the area of the school?

Noveight

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

FFS the young lad was expelled, no harm reduction or even trying to keep the lad at school, anyone know the area of the school?

I would not be surprised if this young lad was a thorn in the schools side and this occurrence was the final straw. I'm making an assumption, but such is often the case with expulsions.

North inner city hoodlum

Noveight wrote: »

I would not be surprised if this young lad was a thorn in the schools side and this occurrence was the final straw. I'm making an assumption, but such is often the case with expulsions.

There has to be more, a 15 year old should be helped with harm reduction not expulsion if they're non violent.

I'll also guess the boy is from a area with deep social economic problems where illegal drugs are like buying sweets in the shop.

Lucy8080

Caught carrying weed on the premises?

Schoolboy error!

yabadabado

Mammy blaming everyone but herself for a kids ****ty upbringing.Why couldn't she educate him on it?

School probably glad to be shot of him.

Irish Guitarist

This would be the best way to deal with it

Pelvis

Jesus christ after hours is full of parenting experts. Guaranteed most of you who have lambasted the mother have smoked it yourself so I hope you see the irony here.

Anyway, expulsion seems rather harsh tbh..

Uncharted

Pelvis wrote: »

Jesus christ after hours is full of parenting experts. Guaranteed most of you who have lambasted the mother have smoked it yourself so I hope you see the irony here.

Anyway, expulsion seems rather harsh tbh..

We were clever enough not to get caught though........
Drugs 101

tototoe

The liveline interview was hilarious. She could do with some education on drugs herself tbh listening to her. The son was suspended from the school previously and she suggested it was for messing..no real detail around that from her. Think little Johnny is pulling the wool over mammy's eyes and she is just looking for somewhere to point the finger

Noveight

Noveight wrote: »

The notion that a 15 year old who thought it'd be a good shout to bring weed to school is "devastated" that he can't study for his Junior Cert is laughable.

A parent who has raised their child poorly looking to shift the blame elsewhere.

Really? When I was in school a lot of us smoked every day, others less and we've gone on to IT, economics, lecturing, finance, civil service, nursing, just a few lads off the top of my head.

BettePorter wrote: »

You need to listen to the podcast tho to appreciate how how much of a dose she was being tho. She was basically indignant that lil Johnny was picked on when the school hadnt suitably taught them not to do.drugs. then it transpired he'd been suspended before messing in class . (We've all messed in class....how innocent are u that it leads to suspension. ?)

Overall she was saying he was devastated to now be educationless. ...when in reality you know heas happy out kbnowing his ma will defend him to the death.

Ah that explains it a bit, suspended for messing in class, hehe.

Uncharted

tototoe wrote: »

The liveline interview was hilarious. She could do with some education on drugs herself tbh listening to her. The son was suspended from the school previously and she suggested it was for messing..no real detail around that from her. Think little Johnny is pulling the wool over mammy's eyes and she is just looking for somewhere to point the finger

^^^^^^This x 100. Iv a feeling that the young lad has mammy for a gobsh¡te. Single mother getting one version of the story....... a la HIS version.

SEPT 23 1989

Smoking a joint in the school jacks was clever alright

wexie

Article 42 of the Constitution of Ireland:

"1: The State acknowledges that the primary and natural educator of the child is the Family and guarantees to respect the inalienable right and duty of parents to provide, according to their means, for the religious and moral, intellectual, physical and social education of their children.

Lot of parents seem to be somewhat hazy on what 'primary educators' are...

Its a difficult situation for parents, blaming the school for not having more drugs education is silly and maybe just a reaction by the mother. Where is he getting the money to buy weed at 15.

The school has to protect other students and consider other parents.

(slightly tongue in cheek )For all those who say it's harmless what the mother needs to hear about is the young lad with sight learning difficulties and disruptive behavior who chooses friends who are all smoking weed, is smoking weed in school himself, she needs to hear how it all turned out grand and there is now a productive member of society with a professional job.

Note: not the anecdote about the young lad with lots of academic ability, no behavioral issues, a supportive background who had mixed friends who dabbled a bit while studying and holding down a part-time job.

Because there is a difference.

Kimbot

In fairness, she is the mother, she is the one that should be teaching her child right from wrong. She is passing the blame because its the new thing to do, its everyone elses fault but her own.

Boom_Bap

jonnycivic wrote: »

In fairness, she is the mother, she is the one that should be teaching her child right from wrong. She is passing the blame because its the new thing to do, its everyone elses fault but her own.

I'm going to say what everyone else is thinking jonny, I think its your fault.

North inner city hoodlum

I laughed hard at the old fella Greg from talla who came on.

"I drilled it into my kids I'll killed them if they took drugs"

"I drove my kids around the city centre and showed them people passed out on the ground from drugs that's what they don to you."

Ould Ireland is still alive and kicking and yes mammy has a part to play in educating David on the conquences of abusing illegal drugs and legal for that matter.

Kimbot

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I'm going to say what everyone else is thinking jonny, I think its your fault.

Tis always my fault man, I have all the good stuff :P

Cee-Jay-Cee

Uncharted wrote: »

She was on liveline today giving out yards about the teachers not doing enough for him.... tell him about drugs yerself missus.....pure ol typical lazy parenting. She sounded a right weapon.

And did the arsehole presenter ask her what she herself done to educate her own son about drugs? I have no time for people like her and I believe they deserve everything they get in life.

Vladimir Poontang

It's the same old story.

Single mother with bastard child expects everyone else to rear him for her.

She sounded like an entitled, clueless, dingbat.

valoren

One word springs to mind: Deflection

seamus

It's always someone else's fault that your kids have been raised badly, isn't it?

Fnck's sake.