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Medical bill for unknown person at my address

  • 18-04-2018 12:02pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭


    Hey just looking for legal advice on something.

    About 4 weeks ago, I received a letter by regular post which appears to be a demand for payment of a medical bill. I didn't open it, as it was addressed to "the parents of Joe Bloggs". Obviously I've changed the name but the surname is not my surname, I've never had any persons by that name living in my house, and my family is the only family who've ever lived here,as I bought this house 8 years ago and no one else has ever lived here.

    The envelope had the branding of a medical billing agency which I won't name. There was a plastic window on the envelope and you could see the various payments methods at the top of the letter.

    I crossed out the name/address, wrote "not known at this address - return to sender" on the envelope and thought nothing more of it.

    4 weeks later and I've received a second letter, which again appears to be a demand for payment. Again, I'm not going to open it, as its not my business, but this time I'm going to put this envelope inside a larger A4 envelope, accompanied by a letter that sets the record straight, along with a request that they confirm in writing, within 7 working days, that no person at my address is liable for any payment in relation to this matter. I will send the A4 envelope by recorded delivery and allude to the fact that I now have proof they've received the letter in the letter I'm writing.

    Does that cover me legally? Anything else I should be doing to cover myself?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    fxotoole wrote: »
    Hey just looking for legal advice on something.

    About 4 weeks ago, I received a letter by regular post which appears to be a demand for payment of a medical bill. I didn't open it, as it was addressed to "the parents of Joe Bloggs". Obviously I've changed the name but the surname is not my surname, I've never had any persons by that name living in my house, and my family is the only family who've ever lived here,as I bought this house 8 years ago and no one else has ever lived here.

    The envelope had the branding of a medical billing agency which I won't name. There was a plastic window on the envelope and you could see the various payments methods at the top of the letter.

    I crossed out the name/address, wrote "not known at this address - return to sender" on the envelope and thought nothing more of it.

    4 weeks later and I've received a second letter, which again appears to be a demand for payment. Again, I'm not going to open it, as its not my business, but this time I'm going to put this envelope inside a larger A4 envelope, accompanied by a letter that sets the record straight, along with a request that they confirm in writing, within 7 working days, that no person at my address is liable for any payment in relation to this matter. I will send the A4 envelope by recorded delivery and allude to the fact that I now have proof they've received the letter in the letter I'm writing.

    Does that cover me legally? Anything else I should be doing to cover myself?

    Would you not just open the letter, ring them and say they have the wrong address?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,516 ✭✭✭Wheety


    As above, just contact them. Loads of threads on Boards of people jumping several levels when they encounter issues.

    Registered post will cost you €8. Why should you pay that? A quick call and tell them someone has obviously given false information. You said you can see who it's from so you don't even need to open it to call them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    fxotoole wrote: »
    Hey just looking for legal advice on something.

    About 4 weeks ago, I received a letter by regular post which appears to be a demand for payment of a medical bill. I didn't open it, as it was addressed to "the parents of Joe Bloggs". Obviously I've changed the name but the surname is not my surname, I've never had any persons by that name living in my house, and my family is the only family who've ever lived here,as I bought this house 8 years ago and no one else has ever lived here.

    The envelope had the branding of a medical billing agency which I won't name. There was a plastic window on the envelope and you could see the various payments methods at the top of the letter.

    I crossed out the name/address, wrote "not known at this address - return to sender" on the envelope and thought nothing more of it.

    4 weeks later and I've received a second letter, which again appears to be a demand for payment. Again, I'm not going to open it, as its not my business, but this time I'm going to put this envelope inside a larger A4 envelope, accompanied by a letter that sets the record straight, along with a request that they confirm in writing, within 7 working days, that no person at my address is liable for any payment in relation to this matter. I will send the A4 envelope by recorded delivery and allude to the fact that I now have proof they've received the letter in the letter I'm writing.

    Does that cover me legally? Anything else I should be doing to cover myself?

    “Legally” all you have to do is write “not known at this address” on the envelope and send it back. Just continue to do this with any further communication.
    Personallly I would not be inclined to let them, or anyone, have any of my personal information (which you will be doing if you enter into correspondence with them).


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭F1ngers


    Just put "not known at this address" on the envelope and put it into a post box.

    Why incur any expense on your behalf?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    If you didn't incur the charge, you don't have any liability. Just because either someone used your address fraudulently or somewhere along the way a mistake was made, it does not make you liable. By sending the letter back as you have done already, you are extending them a courtesy, and your intention to incur cost to send the second letter by Recorded Delivery is an even greater courtesy on your part. "Not known at this address - Return to Sender" ought to be sufficient action for anyone. Take a photo of of the envelope with your message on it before you pop it into a post box, and you're done!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭blackbird 49


    This happened to me, i would write on it not known at this address and put it back in post box, got another sent to me opened it rang the number and told them this person does not live here and never has, did'nt even know who they were, it was from a Nursing home, they thank me for letting them know and i never received anything anymore, i think your over thinking it a bit much


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    F1ngers wrote: »
    Just put "not known at this address" on the envelope and put it into a post box.

    Why incur any expense on your behalf?

    The miniscule cost of sending the letter back by recorded delivery is a small cost to pay to resolve this issue now and not have a potential debt or court date hanging over my head.

    Obviously "return to sender" hasn't worked the first time round. For all I know the letters I'm sending back are sitting in an An Post sorting center not being dealt with for weeks. Meanwhile this agency may be looking to escalate using debt collectors/solicitors. Firing a shot across this company's bow in the form of a stinky letter is more likely to be successful than hoping and praying that An Post return the letters before this escalates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    fxotoole wrote: »
    The miniscule cost of sending the letter back by recorded delivery is a small cost to pay to resolve this issue now and not have a potential debt or court date hanging over my head.

    Obviously "return to sender" hasn't worked the first time round. For all I know the letters I'm sending back are sitting in an An Post sorting center not being dealt with for weeks. Meanwhile this agency may be looking to escalate using debt collectors/solicitors. Firing a shot across this company's bow in the form of a stinky letter is more likely to be successful than hoping and praying that An Post return the letters before this escalates

    But how would you have a debt or a court date when you didn’t incur a debt?
    You do realize that you can’t be billed for some service somebody else used but didn’t pay for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    fxotoole wrote:
    Obviously "return to sender" hasn't worked the first time round. For all I know the letters I'm sending back are sitting in an An Post sorting center not being dealt with for weeks. Meanwhile this agency may be looking to escalate using debt collectors/solicitors. Firing a shot across this company's bow in the form of a stinky letter is more likely to be successful than hoping and praying that An Post return the letters before this escalates


    It's not your problem.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭F1ngers


    fxotoole wrote: »
    The miniscule cost of sending the letter back by recorded delivery is a small cost to pay to resolve this issue now and not have a potential debt or court date hanging over my head.

    Obviously "return to sender" hasn't worked the first time round. For all I know the letters I'm sending back are sitting in an An Post sorting center not being dealt with for weeks. Meanwhile this agency may be looking to escalate using debt collectors/solicitors. Firing a shot across this company's bow in the form of a stinky letter is more likely to be successful than hoping and praying that An Post return the letters before this escalates

    Apologies, classic example of not reading ALL of the op. :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    Dont open the letters
    Don't bother with the a4 envelope nor the Letter.
    Just add for the attention of the Data Protection Officer Of company
    Above the return to sender

    The post office will do record of sender for free.

    Rinse and repeat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Would you not just open the letter
    It is an offence to interfere with someone else's post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Spook_ie wrote:
    Would you not just open the letter, ring them and say they have the wrong address?

    It's illegal to open someone else's mail afaik. My wife didn't get the memo. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    Just write :

    “Unknown at this address - Return to Sender - FAO : Data Controller”

    Throw it into a postbox.

    You've no liability whatsoever for anything. It's nothing to do with you at all. The letter isn't addressed to you. It's got the wrong postal address.

    Don't go buying stamps or anything. It'll be returned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,188 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    fxotoole wrote: »
    The miniscule cost of sending the letter back by recorded delivery is a small cost to pay to resolve this issue now and not have a potential debt or court date hanging over my head.

    Neither of which can possibly happen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    There's absolutely no way you could "have a potential debt or court date hanging" over your head. You have no contract or legal relationship whatsoever with this organisation.

    People can't just go around throwing invoices out to random strangers and then taking them to court. That isn't how it works. The contract is also with a specific person, not an address.

    It would be an interesting "court date".. for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    There's absolutely no way you could "have a potential debt or court date hanging" over your head. You have no contract or legal relationship whatsoever with this organisation.

    People can't just go around throwing invoices out to random strangers and then taking them to court. That isn't how it works. The contract is also with a specific person, not an address.

    It would be an interesting "court date".. for them.
    Particularly when the company has to disclose sensitive medical data of some random child.


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