young farmer inspection

farming93

Just wondering has any one had their young farmers scheme inspection as part of the annual 5 % check up? If so how have you found it ? I am currently undergoing one myself and tbh I really see it as keeping people busy in the department . I was asked to get documents for 2017 ready which I had ready the inspectors came took details I.e feed purchases , stock sales , single farm payment details and bank statements but I have literally been called at least 7 times looking for more details even though I had everything on the day.. I wouldn't mind if I was asked for all seven items at once if the inspectors had forgotten them but it seems that every time they ask me for a docket to cross reference to my bank statements and I send on the docket they say to themselves "oh ok he has that what else can we ask him for? " if the inspectors can't see that I'm farming in my own name after looking through at least 80 dockets and crossed referenced them to my bank statements there must be something wrong! I'm just finding this whole thing a little stressful as I work full time off farm and the last thing I want to do is come home and be have to go through my files for more dockets on top of yard work especially when I think I'm being taken for a ride.

Muckit

In young farmers scheme and got no inspection. Why would u have to be inspected? Is it the National Reserve you are in? Even still...

farming93

no it's the young farmers scheme alright it's just a random selection process.. it's for the top up of entitlements of 25% of the national value for 5 years.
They basically want to check it's actually me farming and not my father for example and they literally will go through everything to make sure it's the young farmer that is actually farming.

anthony500_1

farming93 wrote:

no it's the young farmers scheme alright it's just a random selection process.. it's for the top up of entitlements of 25% of the national value for 5 years. They basically want to check it's actually me farming and not my father for example and they literally will go through everything to make sure it's the young farmer that is actually farming.

I'm in that scheme here too but heard nothing, did you do a transfer of entitlements through retirement rather than on the death of the previous farmer, maybe due it being on retirement of the farmer they might question it????

Sheep breeder

The YFS is a very tricky to audit and the amount of lads that’s claiming it and not farming on their own, have a friend in the midlands who is an inspector and was telling me some of things he has come across, one where the money was all going into dads bank account and another where all the calf sales to daddy and the guy in japan that wouldn’t be home for six months and daddy paying for everything and no bank account.

wrangler

Sheep breeder wrote: »

The YFS is a very tricky to audit and the amount of lads that’s claiming it and not farming on their own, have a friend in the midlands who is an inspector and was telling me some of things he has come across, one where the money was all going into dads bank account and another where all the calf sales to daddy and the guy in japan that wouldn’t be home for six months and daddy paying for everything and no bank account.

I know loads of cases like that, they certainly haven't targetted all active farmers with entitlements.....they're inspecting only 2 or 3% so most will get away with it.
At least there's an income limit

J.O. Farmer

wrangler wrote: »

I know loads of cases like that, they certainly haven't targetted all active farmers with entitlements.....they're inspecting only 2 or 3% so most will get away with it.
At least there's an income limit

There's no income limit for the young farmer's scheme it's only to get entitlements from the national reserve.

farming93

I honestly don't know why they're going into such detail with me so ! it's in black and white that everything is going through me regarding the farm enterprise .. as I said I wouldn't mind if they asked me for everything in one go but to keep asking for a different docket every week to cross reference when each docket they have asked for previously really does annoy me.

Aravo

J.O. Farmer wrote:

There's no income limit for the young farmer's scheme it's only to get entitlements from the national reserve.

Is there not an off farm income limit of 40k for the young farmer, over that and you don't qualify for YFS.

Grueller

Aravo wrote: »

Is there not an off farm income limit of 40k for the young farmer, over that and you don't qualify for YFS.

Nope. Thats for the national reserve. Young farmer scheme is a circa €60/ha top up on existing entitlements with no off farm income limit.

mayota

I know a few lads that were inspected, a mix of joint herd owner with parent and lads farming in their own right. One off inspection checked bank statements, co-op dockets etc. They were asked to point out and name the neighbouring farms on the maps. What cows calved last and sex of calf. Animal movement details. Then went for a wander around the yard.

farming93

mayota wrote: »

I know a few lads that were inspected, a mix of joint herd owner with parent and lads farming in their own right. One off inspection checked bank statements, co-op dockets etc. They were asked to point out and name the neighbouring farms on the maps. What cows calved last and sex of calf. Animal movement details. Then went for a wander around the yard.

I'd have no bother doing any of that just to stop this dragging out.

High bike

Aravo wrote: »

Is there not an off farm income limit of 40k for the young farmer, over that and you don't qualify for YFS.

i think your right there

Aravo

Grueller wrote:

Nope. Thats for the national reserve. Young farmer scheme is a circa €60/ha top up on existing entitlements with no off farm income limit.

If it's a joint herd no. Is there a 40k income limit. Or no off farm income limit.

ganmo

Aravo wrote: »

If it's a joint herd no. Is there a 40k income limit. Or no off farm income limit.

It’s a combined off farm income of 40k in that case

timmiekp

Wats the difference between the young farmer and national reserve I’m 24 have the green cert

Grueller

High bike wrote: »

i think your right there

No he is not. I am in YFS and my off farm is in excess of 40k.

J.O. Farmer

Grueller wrote: »

No he is not. I am in YFS and my off farm is in excess of 40k.

And even more to the point you weren't asked anything about your off farm income when you applied as there's no limit.

Aravo

J.O. Farmer wrote:

And even more to the point you weren't asked anything about your off farm income when you applied as there's no limit.

So no off farm income limit for YFS. Phew for a lot of young farmers.