solbac

orchard farm

Anybody use this soil conditioner,think its called bacterisol promises the sun moon and stars

_Brian

They seem to rely on alto of anecdotal evidence rather than had scientific research or proof.

In fact there’s more scientific evidence that additional bacteria to soil has no real effect.

yosemitesam1

Have you a link, google throws up a Norwegian cod company.

Easiest way to improve soil bacteria+fungi would be to stitch in some alternative species, chicory, plantain, cocksfoot etc.

_Brian

https://www.sobac.fr/

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yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Have you a link, google throws up a Norwegian cod company.

Easiest way to improve soil bacteria+fungi would be to stitch in some alternative species, chicory, plantain, cocksfoot etc.

The company is Sobac, they're a French company. The products they sell are Bacteriosol, a soil conditioner and Bacteriolit, a slurry additive. Both work on the idea of increasing the humus in the soil. It's meant to stimulate earthworm activity and improve soil health.

I used Bacteriolit in the slurry this year, it's expensive, so I'm not sure if I'm wise or not. Time will tell. Might have been better off with the Norwegian cod

I'd like to increase the species in the pasture too. Looking at changing my grazing method to see if that helps there.

Say my name

After reading the link I'm none the wiser of what it is??

It claims to make 60 elements available to the plant. So is it spreading or spraying 60 elements that's in the product or some hocus pocus way of making these elements that might be in the soil more available to the plant?
If it's 60 elements in the product it's either derived from dung from animals eating grass or fodder with these elements or then a sea weed/water based product although those companies usually make a claim of 90 elements or possibly a product from basalt or granite milling.

Nice to see the claim of the increased protein % of the dairy farmer though.

yosemitesam1

Say my name wrote: »

After reading the link I'm none the wiser of what it is??

It claims to make 60 elements available to the plant. So is it spreading or spraying 60 elements that's in the product or some hocus pocus way of making these elements that might be in the soil more available to the plant?
If it's 60 elements in the product it's either derived from dung from animals eating grass or fodder with these elements or then a sea weed/water based product although those companies usually make a claim of 90 elements or possibly a product from basalt or granite milling.

Nice to see the claim of the increased protein % of the dairy farmer though.

There's a good lump of ammonium sulfate and after that I don't know.

I think I'd splach out on some humic acid or biochar before this

Say my name

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There's a good lump of ammonium sulfate and after that I don't know.

I think I'd splach out on some humic acid or biochar before this

If there's ammonium sulphate then it's just a fertilizer.

It sounds fishy.
By that I mean there could be fish involved.

_Brian

The thing with increasing bacteria in the soil is they need something to eat.

You can’t take dead spun out soil and increase bacteria in any meaningful way, if they’ve nothing to live on they just die.

But if you add organic matter, say FYM, the bacteria will themselves multiply as the organic matter is there to feed on.

There’s no magic bullet to add live bacteria to dead soil, you need to add life in the form of organic matter.

This is why so many soils (including our own) that is suffering from Not having FYM spread regularly.

Slurry is an inaerobic substance and can’t sustain the type of bacteria that’s really needed, maybe if it was forced aerated it might be.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

The thing with increasing bacteria in the soil is they need something to eat.

You can’t take dead spun out soil and increase bacteria in any meaningful way, if they’ve nothing to live on they just die.

But if you add organic matter, say FYM, the bacteria will themselves multiply as the organic matter is there to feed on.

There’s no magic bullet to add live bacteria to dead soil, you need to add life in the form of organic matter.

This is why so many soils (including our own) that is suffering from Not having FYM spread regularly.

Slurry is an inaerobic substance and can’t sustain the type of bacteria that’s really needed, maybe if it was forced aerated it might be.

You'll be spreading basalt dust from Antrim soon Brian.
Provide a variety of food/elements and you'll get a variety of bacteria.

You'd see some of the permaculture people rotating the variety of animals/birds and crops on land to keep a variety of bacteria in the soil and reduce a breakout of harmful parasites for any particular species.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

You'll be spreading basalt dust from Antrim soon Brian.
Provide a variety of food/elements and you'll get a variety of bacteria.

You'd see some of the permaculture people rotating the variety of animals/birds and crops on land to keep a variety of bacteria in the soil and reduce a breakout of harmful parasites for any particular species.

Absolutely.
Well managed soil is teeming with bacteria etc, not because the bacteria have been added but because the conditions to allow them flourish is maintained.

I’ve spent the last few weeks reading some interesting stuff and watching YouTube clips, sadly the more I watch the more I come to the conclusion that intensive farming is bad for the countryside.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

Absolutely.
Well managed soil is teeming with bacteria etc, not because the bacteria have been added but because the conditions to allow them flourish is maintained.

I’ve spent the last few weeks reading some interesting stuff and watching YouTube clips, sadly the more I watch the more I come to the conclusion that intensive farming is bad for the countryside.

Don't think of it as bad although there's a big report on a serious loss of farmland birds across France and mainland Europe just out now and linked to intensive tillage and farming. It's probably why that wildbird cover thing came in from Europe.

I'd like to think that farmers now are more broad minded now than they used to be and don't accept straight away claims by fert chem companies out to make a buck.

We've the most well fed population in the world yet the worst nutritional fed population. Probably could say the very same about our soils here now.

orchard farm

I was asking cause my local farm supplier has it in stock and im organic so its acceptable to use.its expencive although it claims that ill never need to use p &k fert again.might try a field or two to see but im thinkn spending on lime would be a better way to go?.ill report back with findings

yosemitesam1

Say my name wrote: »

Don't think of it as bad although there's a big report on a serious loss of farmland birds across France and mainland Europe just out now and linked to intensive tillage and farming. It's probably why that wildbird cover thing came in from Europe.

That's most likely due to the huge reduction in insects. Even in an Irish case there isn't too many insects that can survive in a field of ryegrass, grasshoppers, beetles etc can't