Job specification: Mandatory Requirements.....can I still apply?

jedhed90

Does anyone know the law around this:
There is a job advertised in the public sector that I would like to apply for. I do not have one of the "mandatory criteria" listed in the job description, but have all the others. Do I have any chance? Can I apply?

GalwayGrrrrrl

You can apply and hope they might also need an assistant for the job advertised. You won’t get the job originally advertised though as mandatory means “you must have”.

bobbysands81

jedhed90 wrote: »

Does anyone know the law around this:
There is a job advertised in the public sector that I would like to apply for. I do not have one of the "mandatory criteria" listed in the job description, but have all the others. Do I have any chance? Can I apply?

Absolutely no point at all in applying.

davo10

"Law around this"? Unless the mandatory requirements for the job are discriminatory on one of the nine grounds, an employer can set mandatory requirements without fear of legal action. What legal grounds are you looking for to compel an employer to accept you?

AreYouIn

davo10 wrote: »

"Law around this"? Unless the mandatory requirements for the job are discriminatory on one of the nine grounds, an employer can set mandatory requirements without fear of legal action. What legal grounds are you looking for to compel an employer to accept you?

I would wager the OP was not looking at what might compel the employer...more so what potential mandatory reqs might be in place to prevent them being considered...

OP...unless there is a minimum education requirement that you don't meet, or a regulatory requirement that you don't meet, then I'd say have at it, and let the competition play out!

bobbysands81

There is no way in hell that the OP will get the job.

Apply away if you want the experience of going through the application process and maybe even getting an interview but even if you are the only candidate you will not get the job. Often in the public service your eligibility to go for the job is not checked until the point of offering the job.

urban sprawl

If it is a public sector job, 'mandatory' indicates a threshold qualification without which you will not be invited to interview. I have been part of selection committees for technical roles and applications without the 'mandatory' qualifications are weeded out at the initial application stage. When a large volume of high calibrate applications is received, even having the mandatory qualifications is not always sufficient to get an interview.

jimmycrackcorm

The interview selectors will not want to have to deal with any issues arising with someone getting a job without the mandatory requirement over another qualified applicant. The application will be binned.

Pkiernan

This is to maintain the hidden public service charter that ensures hard working private sector employees make up less than 3% of successful applicants despite making 80% of the applications.

Public sector unions do not want hard working, ethical and efficient employees getting jobs.

griffin100

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is to maintain the hidden public service charter that ensures hard working private sector employees make up less than 3% of successful applicants despite making 80% of the applications.

Public sector unions do not want hard working, ethical and efficient employees getting jobs.

I must have been out on uncertified sick leave the day that memo was issued :rolleyes:

There's nothing to loose in applying. You don't say where in th PS it is. Some areas have more discretion than others, especially when the number of candidates is low and the criteria is broad - other areas have no discretion whatsoever. Try and tailor your cv / application form to suggest you have at least some exposure, however vague, to the criteria required, this might be enough to get you a 'pass'.

relax carry on

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is to maintain the hidden public service charter that ensures hard working private sector employees make up less than 3% of successful applicants despite making 80% of the applications.

Public sector unions do not want hard working, ethical and efficient employees getting jobs.

Ant link to those stats? Would love to see how the recruitment is progressing so I can tell the influx of private sector applicants in my office that they are a figment of my imagination.

bobbysands81

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is to maintain the hidden public service charter that ensures hard working private sector employees make up less than 3% of successful applicants despite making 80% of the applications.

Public sector unions do not want hard working, ethical and efficient employees getting jobs.

I guess we’re dealing with someone who tried and failed to get into the PS.

Public sector unions have absolutely no say in PS competitions. PS unions have nowhere near the power that most folk think they have.

Can you back up your stats?

My sense is that private sector people are reluctant to join the PS because of the irrational illjudged opinions that some people hold of the PS... plus the money is nowhere near as good as the private sector, generally speaking of course.

Dog walker 1234

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is to maintain the hidden public service charter that ensures hard working private sector employees make up less than 3% of successful applicants despite making 80% of the applications.

Public sector unions do not want hard working, ethical and efficient employees getting jobs.

That must be a heavy load to carry everyday!

beauf

Depends how formal the process is. Even in the Public sector. I've gone for interviews (Public and Private) in the past with about 50% of the job requirements and been told I'm over qualified. I've also got jobs where I didn't have much of the requirements at all.

You certainly won't get it if you don't try.

Pkiernan

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I guess we’re dealing with someone who tried and failed to get into the PS.

Public sector unions have absolutely no say in PS competitions. PS unions have nowhere near the power that most folk think they have.

Can you back up your stats?

My sense is that private sector people are reluctant to join the PS because of the irrational illjudged opinions that some people hold of the PS... plus the money is nowhere near as good as the private sector, generally speaking of course.

Why would you feel the need to personally attack me, and brand me a failure?

These starts are easy to back up.

From Page 7 of the IPA report linked here:

https://www.ipa.ie/_fileupload/ResearchPapers/PublicSectorTrends_2017.pdf


" • The proportion of top level civil service jobs filled by
private sector applicants was 3 per cent in 2015."

beauf

I wonder what the reverse % of public sector workers getting private sector jobs at the same level is.

Moving between public and private I assume is quite uncommon.

bobbysands81

Pkiernan wrote: »

Why would you feel the need to personally attack me, and brand me a failure?

These starts are easy to back up.

From Page 7 of the IPA report linked here:

https://www.ipa.ie/_fileupload/ResearchPapers/PublicSectorTrends_2017.pdf


" • The proportion of top level civil service jobs filled by
private sector applicants was 3 per cent in 2015."

You’re not a failure if you don’t get a job a chara. Most people who apply for PS jobs don’t get them. As for personal attacks...

Pkiernan wrote: »

Public sector unions do not want hard working, ethical and efficient employees getting jobs.

Your stats come nowhere near backing up your assertion.

In fact the link you provide ridicules other aspects of your post:

“Irish public administration is seen as the most professional and least politicized in Europe”

60% of the public see the CS are efficient, second least bureaucratic and perform strongly in many other areas.

bobbysands81

beauf wrote: »

I wonder what the reverse % of public sector workers getting private sector jobs at the same level is.

Moving between public and private I assume is quite uncommon.

Top level public servants are often poached by the private sector.

limnam

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Top level public servants are often poached by the private sector.

Source?

bobbysands81

limnam wrote: »

Source?

Many people I’ve worked with.

Pay at the top levels of the CS is waaaaay below private sector rates.