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Is this work a material alteration?

  • 11-04-2018 1:13pm
    #1
    Salthillprom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭


    Hi,
    Material alterations are works that fall under Parts A, B of M to the Building Regs. What I’m wondering is whether the following works are deemed to come under Part A? Or because they are repairs, they are not deemed to constitute a material alteration? Works on a very old 1920s cottage....
    1. Building up windows on the shed? Which is attached to the house but not accessible from the house? Building them up, meaning blocking them up.
    2. Filling chimney with vermiculite?
    3. Blanking top of chimney with lead?
    4. Cutting out stonework for fit new front door..front door there already but too small
    5. Putting a DPM on the floors?
    Thanks v much


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  • #2
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    What difference does it make?
    These are works on a single family dwelling so it shouldn’t come into it?

    Is your main question whether you need a commencement notice or not?
    You could argue planning is required for the front door alterations though.


  • #3
    Salthillprom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭Salthillprom


    kceire wrote: »
    What difference does it make?
    These are works on a single family dwelling so it shouldn’t come into it?

    Is your main question whether you need a commencement notice or not?
    You could argue planning is required for the front door alterations though.

    It does make a difference in the context of what I’m doing. I need to know.
    Thanks for the input.


  • #4
    Bonzo Delaney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Bonzo Delaney


    Salthillprom wrote: »
    It does make a difference in the context of what I’m doing. I need to know.
    Thanks for the input.


    Is it vat related are you been charged 23%
    If it's supply and fit it's 13.5%


  • #5
    Metric Tensor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭Metric Tensor


    Obfuscating the context won't help OP - you clearly want a specific answer for your specific circumstances!

    I'm guessing that either:

    1. You have done said work and some other party (maybe the engineer for a purchaser or building control) is suggesting that the work does not comply with the building regulations and should do because it constitutes a material alteration?

    2. Some other party has done the works and you want to use this as a stick to beat them with?

    IMO:
    1. Part A definitely applies - Part B might apply depending on layout. Does the work constitute repair or renewal?
    2. Part B applies. Does the work constitute repair or renewal? What was there before the vermiculite?
    3. Part A applies. Is it repair or renewal? What was there previously?
    4. Part A definitely applies. It's definitely not repair - is it renewal?
    5. A may or may not apply depending on context. Again is it repair or renewal - what was there previously?

    “repair or renewal” means works of maintenance or restoration of a routine nature relating to—


    (a) the keeping of a building in good condition or working order, or


    (b) the return of the fabric of a building to its original condition;

    Your engineer/architect/technician will offer you an opinion on the above and if you want a definitive answer ask the local building control officer because he/she will be the one who has final say unless you decide to challenge them in court - which I would not recommend in your "vague" case!


  • #6
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Salthillprom wrote: »
    Hi,
    Material alterations are works that fall under Parts A, B of M to the Building Regs. What I’m wondering is whether the following works are deemed to come under Part A? Or because they are repairs, they are not deemed to constitute a material alteration? Works on a very old 1920s cottage....
    1. Building up windows on the shed? Which is attached to the house but not accessible from the house? Building them up, meaning blocking them up.
    2. Filling chimney with vermiculite?
    3. Blanking top of chimney with lead?
    4. Cutting out stonework for fit new front door..front door there already but too small
    5. Putting a DPM on the floors?
    Thanks v much

    1. No in my opinion.
    2. Product has to comply with TGD Part B / TGD Part D (CPR), Combustibility etc etc
    3. Repair
    4. If you dig up the floors, then the new floor needs to comply with current regulations in my opinion and that includes insulation, stone fill material etc etc
    Salthillprom wrote: »
    It does make a difference in the context of what I’m doing. I need to know.
    Thanks for the input.

    But you haven't explained the context.


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