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People on long term learner permits

  • 06-04-2018 5:36pm
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    ayux4rj6zql2ph
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  • #2
    t1mm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭t1mm


    No


  • #3
    SCOOP 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,496 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Do they get a refund when they don't turn up ?


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    Dravokivich
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    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    Do they get a refund when they don't turn up ?

    You can defer it a few times. But if you keep cancelling you end up paying. Whether or not you so up.

    These old provisional licences should have had a very short life time after the rules changed. But that'll cost you votes...


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    ayux4rj6zql2ph
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  • #6
    SCOOP 64
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    But why not go for test anyway if your going to pay , you might actually pass ,don't make sense to me?


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    Samuel T. Cogley
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    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    But why not go for test anyway if your going to pay , you might actually pass ,don't make sense to me?

    Some people are muppets.


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    ayux4rj6zql2ph
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  • #9
    cantdecide
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    The real stinker is those people that stay on long term permit renewals who CAN'T be issued a test date... because they haven't completed EDT.

    They get to their third permit and they are required to make a test booking but going into the 'hold' queue. Each and every year thereafter they can renew using the very same test booking and will never be required to make another one.

    In other words, they go into limbo as a reward for never completing the mandatory training.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    Do they not legally still have to be accompanied when driving? What would happen if they got caught driving unaccompanied?


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    cantdecide
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do they not legally still have to be accompanied when driving? What would happen if they got caught driving unaccompanied?

    Everything that might happen to someone on their first learner permit.


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  • #13
    Pretzill
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    I don't understand this at all. Why don't they do their test? Surely the prospect of passing is much better than having to drive accompanied - also if driving for that long passing the test would be easy...

    I'm new to driving and I want to sit my test within the first six months - if I pass the benefits outweigh holding on to a permit.


  • #14
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Pretzill wrote: »
    I don't understand this at all. Why don't they do their test? Surely the prospect of passing is much better than having to drive accompanied - also if driving for that long passing the test would be easy...

    I'm new to driving and I want to sit my test within the first six months - if I pass the benefits outweigh holding on to a permit.

    Driving for a long time, does not a good driver make.


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    Achasanai
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    cantdecide wrote: »
    The real stinker is those people that stay on long term permit renewals who CAN'T be issued a test date... because they haven't completed EDT.

    They won't have to complete the EDT if their permit was issued before a certain date (I think 2011).


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    Henry Ford III
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    Nothing wrong with cancelling a test I think. The issue is continuing to drive (and possibly solo) afterwards.


  • #17
    Alanstrainor
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    Achasanai wrote: »
    They won't have to complete the EDT if their permit was issued before a certain date (I think 2011).

    Yes. If they have managed to keep renewing their learner permit since before EDT began then they do not have to complete EDT training.

    Part of me can see how this happens, even as ridiculous as it is. Back in the day it was perfectly legal to drive unaccompanied on your second provisional license. Once that started, there was no going back. They have likely never been stopped before, and I would be doubtful that they drive with L plate on their cars. Either through nerves or otherwise they could never bring themselves to try a test. And even though they likely drive regularly I would very much doubt they would pass a test. In fact I would be certain that they would fail by a huge degree.

    All of this is down to a lack of enforcement by gardai, and a renewal system which is open to abuse.


  • #18
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Sure the now wife was driving for over 6 years without even a license.

    She let the learner permit lapse and just didn't bother....

    Safe to say she now has no car since found out.


  • #19
    cantdecide
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    Achasanai wrote: »
    They won't have to complete the EDT if their permit was issued before a certain date (I think 2011).

    There are lots of post 2011 permit holders renewing annually having never completed EDT. It's a scandal yet to unfold, I reckon.


  • #20
    Achasanai
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    Alanstrainor wrote: »

    Part of me can see how this happens, even as ridiculous as it is.

    It happened to me. I got my provisional with the intention of getting my licence as soon as possible. Circumstances changed, so never bothered with the test until I needed it and was ready. Renewed until that happened.


  • #21
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    This came up before at a conference I was at, 10 lads sitting at a table and 6-7 of them admitted their wives had never done a driving test , did not display L plates and had never been stopped. I have 2 friends who also have done this for years without being stopped. Its far too common an issue.


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