mad bull

wats the craic

we were tb testing today and my bull reckoned he should try jumping gates , and broke up gates in pens trying to get to cows . when we finished testing he went totaly crazy he went for me and and the lad with me .

Lady Haywire

Time to hang him.

TL17

Sell sell sell immediately

Factory that is

wats the craic

TL17 wrote: »

Sell sell sell immediately

wat about the reading of the test can you sell him between testing and reading

anthony500_1

Off for the factory with him
Your life is short enough without that sorta trouble. You were both lucky so take the warning and send him off to the factory

You can't sell beteeen the test and readings, Talk to your vet, he will advise you. Was in simmilliar poisition eariler this year and vet said it could not be done till readings we're up on the departments system, so could even be a few extra days after the readings if the vet didn't log them that evening

Say my name

How are you going to read him?

Say my name

wats the craic wrote: »

wat about the reading of the test can you sell him between testing and reading

Could you read him in his pen?
Or else just get a quiet cow or two not bulling to go with him and get him in the crush.

wats the craic

Say my name wrote: »

How are you going to read him?

not a clue he with a heifer not incalf and she can be like a nut case at times too . i was going to factory her the two may go now . i aint taking that ****er out of the pen again .

Mooooo

Discuss with vet best way to read him and then up the ramp with him. Perhaps leave him hungry the night before and throw him a bit of ration when the vet is there and vet may be able to see it while he is eating at the barrier

whelan2

wats the craic wrote: »

wat about the reading of the test can you sell him between testing and reading

Ring dept and tell them the situation. Your vet might do it for you. I got in trouble for not letting them know that a cow was put down between the testing and the reading

patsy_mccabe

Leave 2 quiet cows in the pen with him and explain to the vet how he has gone wicked. Vet will be able to read them from a distance. Dont go disturbing him at all.
What was he like all along? Nothing like a herd test to send cattle beserk.

blue5000

OP I think you'll have to wait to read him. Book him into the factory, make sure you let them know in the lairage before letting him out of the trailer.

Never wrestle with pigs

As above. If vet has any sense they won't make you put him in the crush. Into the trailer and gone after reading.

anthony500_1

blue5000 wrote:

OP I think you'll have to wait to read him. Book him into the factory, make sure you let them know in the lairage before letting him out of the trailer.

My uncle was a haulier years back, remember manys the day being in the factory and lads letting off wicked cattle as if it was for sport, open ramp close ramp and get out of there as quick as possible, so wrong and so so dangerous.

I know it's the only place for them, but 5min making sure run ways etc were clear would not waste your day, and could save injury to the factory worker tasked with loading the animals up the shoot.

kay 9

Surely the vet can sedate him Mod snip

_Brian

Hook is the best cure for that lad.

Can’t imagine vet will make much fuss about not reading him after such a kafufffle with the testing.

J.O. Farmer

kay 9 wrote: »

Surely the vet can sedate him snip

How's the vet going to sedate him if he's too mad to put up the crush the vet won't get near the him to inject him.

<Mod snip>
The best thing is to leave him in the pen with minimum excitement to fire him up. Staying calm and having an escape route when loading him is the way to go.

Hopefully he'll be alright loading him and it's the commotion of the test fired him up but he's not worth taking a chance with.

kay 9

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

How's the vet going to sedate him if he's too mad to put up the crush the vet won't get near the him to inject him.

Mod snip
The best thing is to leave him in the pen with minimum excitement to fire him up. Staying calm and having an escape route when loading him is the way to go.

Hopefully he'll be alright loading him and it's the commotion of the test fired him up but he's not worth taking a chance with.

Dart not injection.
Didn't see that he was in a pen. Agree, leave him be and have him in the crush before vet arrives if he's strict with the measuring device.
Keep safe, far too many accidents with too many fatalities involved recently.

Say my name

Hopefully everyone here knows the tricks of the trade of how to load a mad bull on a lorry for the factory?

Make sure the haulier has a load of cows going and that you're the last stop before the factory. Unload the cows into the loading pen with the bull and then run the whole lot back into the lorry with the bull among them.
The experienced hauliers know these things anyway.

Base price

wats the craic wrote: »

we were tb testing today and my bull reckoned he should try jumping gates , and broke up gates in pens trying to get to cows . when we finished testing he went totaly crazy he went for me and and the lad with me .

TBH it's not unusual for a bull to react when he is separated from his female herd

wats the craic wrote: »

wat about the reading of the test can you sell him between testing and reading

Not in commercial sales/marts but you can factory due to health/welfare ground providing the animal is fit and able to travel and certified by your Vet.

kay 9 wrote: »

Surely the vet can sedate him on the day of reading if he's that mad.
<snip>

I'm doubt if sedation is allowed during a TBE testsnip

Say my name wrote: »

Hopefully everyone here knows the tricks of the trade of how to load a mad bull on a lorry for the factory?

Make sure the haulier has a load of cows going and that you're the last stop before the factory. Unload the cows into the loading pen with the bull and then run the whole lot back into the lorry with the bull among them.
The experienced hauliers know these things anyway.

Unfortunately not everyone knows the tricks of the trade when loading a stormy bull or wicked suckler cow. TBH I reckon suckler cows are more dangerous than a breeding bull.

blue5000

Mod note; Kay 9 can you read the thread properly before posting in future, thanks.

grassroot1

Surely to god if you explain to the DVO the issues with the bull they will clear him for immediate slaughter.

blue5000

Any update OP?

Albert Johnson

blue5000 wrote: »

Any update OP?

Yesterday's incident in Mohill mart isn't going to help the rising mart insurance problem. Only one place for a bull like that, temperament is easily sorted with a captive bolt gun.

patsy_mccabe

In Ennis mart, they have changed how you unload cattle following a bull attack there. Now you unload your cattle and the mart drovers take them to the chutes. You then head to the chutes via the overhead walkway.
It works very well. It speeds things up as guys don't leave their trailers and lorries unattended at the unloading bays any more.

Reggie.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

In Ennis mart, they have changed how you unload cattle following a bull attack there. Now you unload your cattle and the mart drovers take them to the chutes. You then head to the chutes via the overhead walkway.
It works very well. It speeds things up as guys don't leave their trailers and lorries unattended at the unloading bays any more.

Sounds like a good system

patsy_mccabe

Reggie. wrote: »

Sounds like a good system

I'm surprised at how well it works. It got rid of the tailback of trailers waiting to unload, so that in itself is a good thing.

gozunda

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I'm surprised at how well it works. It got rid of the tailback of trailers waiting to unload, so that in itself is a good thing.

Looking at the forum posting list I had to laugh

(The) mad bull ... mccabe. Lol ..

The Nutty M

Aurivo have acted at least on the Mohill incident so we'll see a raft of changes at all marts I'd be thinking.

Water John

A lot of marts have upgraded already. Most hauliers will tell farmers now, not to send cross/risky animals to the mart, but to the factory instead. It's only fair.

Nekarsulm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I'm surprised at how well it works. It got rid of the tailback of trailers waiting to unload, so that in itself is a good thing.

What about the dealers who park the lorry at a loading point long before the sale is over, and leave it there ......

Pidae.m

Bout ten years back a heifer ran up the stairs in the catwalk in castle island.
Another time in macroom weanling heifer jumped out of the ring. To be fair the ring was very low back then.

josephsoap

It’s been a few months now since the bull attack, rearly go to mart here, has there been any changes implemented since the attack ?

charolais0153

josephsoap wrote: »

It’s been a few months now since the bull attack, rearly go to mart here, has there been any changes implemented since the attack ?

In the mart?
The gates are locked so that people arent allowed in to view cattle except at designated times when animals arent being moved.The drovers have a much easier job and its a lot safer for man and beast. Much improved system

josephsoap

charolais0153 wrote: »

In the mart?
The gates are locked so that people arent allowed in to view cattle except at designated times when animals arent being moved.The drovers have a much easier job and its a lot safer for man and beast. Much improved system

Thanks charolais, do you just let down your trailer ramp now when entering cattle and do the drovers do the rest ?

whelan2

josephsoap wrote: »

Thanks charolais, do you just let down your trailer ramp now when entering cattle and do the drovers do the rest ?

I let mine off the other day. Handed the cards to the drover. Said what way I wanted them numbered and that was it

josephsoap

Cheers Whelan, sounds like a great improvement.

Limestone Cowboy

josephsoap wrote: »

Thanks charolais, do you just let down your trailer ramp now when entering cattle and do the drovers do the rest ?

In ennis you let them off in the unloading pen, drovers bring them to the chutes and you go around the side and up an overhead catwalk to get to them and put on stickers yourself. Used to be mayhem there before at the busier times of year.

Muckit

What about buying cattle how do things work?
I suppose I'll find out in a few weeks!

charolais0153

Muckit wrote: »

What about buying cattle how do things work?
I suppose I'll find out in a few weeks!

Wave at the auctioneer....;)

Dunedin

charolais0153 wrote: »

Wave at the auctioneer....;)

Or twitch your little toe

anthony500_1

Balla Mart in mayo have turned the place upside down to improve the Mart. They have all cattle in by 10. They now do a draw as to what number they start at, and then a second draw to see if they go up or down in the numbers. They also put in a walkway at the back of the cow pens so you can view cows all though the sale. They had a gang way up overhead a few years already between the heifers and bulls. It's part of the arivo group where the bull went mad so it's easy see why they have acted so strongly. With up on 1000 cattle at busy times on a Saturday they had to do the lotto system as plenty of upset farmers over the same "ppl" getting there cattle in at the same time every week while the small farmer with only a few had there cattle waiting in the yard all day. All in all it's improving all the time

Odelay

anthony500_1 wrote: »

Balla Mart in mayo have turned the place upside down to improve the Mart. They have all cattle in by 10. They now do a draw as to what number they start at, and then a second draw to see if they go up or down in the numbers. They also put in a walkway at the back of the cow pens so you can view cows all though the sale. They had a gang way up overhead a few years already between the heifers and bulls. It's part of the arivo group where the bull went mad so it's easy see why they have acted so strongly. With up on 1000 cattle at busy times on a Saturday they had to do the lotto system as plenty of upset farmers over the same "ppl" getting there cattle in at the same time every week while the small farmer with only a few had there cattle waiting in the yard all day. All in all it's improving all the time

Sounds like a great job.

Reggie.

Odelay wrote: »

Sounds like a great job.

+1

Dakota Dan

Pidae.m wrote: »

Bout ten years back a heifer ran up the stairs in the catwalk in castle island.
Another time in macroom weanling heifer jumped out of the ring. To be fair the ring was very low back then.

A bull broke out of Mallow mart one time and jumped a wall at the back which had a drop of 80 feet down to the muddy hill car park. He landed on a solicitors car and took off running until Stephen the traffic warden who was about 5’4” cornered him. He had to be put down after (the bull that is)

Jb1989

Dakota Dan wrote: »

A bull broke out of Mallow mart one time and jumped a wall at the back which had a drop of 80 feet down to the muddy hill car park. He landed on a solicitors car and took off running until Stephen the traffic warden who was about 5’4” cornered him. He had to be put down after (the bull that is)

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