2 AdBlue tanks on Audi A6?

eggerb

I've read here on boards that the capacity of the AdBlue tank is 17 litres for the Audi A6. Does anybody know if the A6 has two tanks like shown in the drawing below for the Q7?

I am at the 1,000km left warning and planning to top up with 10 litres tonight. I'll see how I get on and see how much I get in. If so, does it take time for it to get from the upper tank to the lower tank? Cheers.

eggerb

The Joe Duffy Motors site here mentions two tanks here with a bit of blurb about tanks to be topped up by authorized Audi personnel only.

eggerb

Only managed to get about 5 litres in and it was getting dark so I left it at that. The 5 litres cleared the warning light on the dash. Was expecting to get the full 10 litres in if the tank capacity is 17 litres and I was into the last 1000km. Does it take time for it to flow from one tank to the other? Thanks.

Autosport

I was told by Merc not to let the ad Blue go below the quarter mark, I would assume Audi would be similar.

blackwhite

eggerb wrote: »

The Joe Duffy Motors site here mentions two tanks here with a bit of blurb about tanks to be topped up by authorized Audi personnel only.

Such a pile of manure. Nothing but trying to scam people out of a few quid by getting them to pay €15 for 5 litres plus a "labour" charge for the filling.

Do they recommend only authorised Audi personnel fill the fuel tank too? :rolleyes:

Toyotafanboi

blackwhite wrote: »

Such a pile of manure. Nothing but trying to scam people out of a few quid by getting them to pay €15 for 5 litres plus a "labour" charge for the filling.

Do they recommend only authorised Audi personnel fill the fuel tank too? :rolleyes:

You know it's actually quite the opposite. You can buy a consumer friendly 10l bottle of adblue from Audi parts with a funnel attachment for €12.50 which is suitable for most people's needs.

It's usually the brand name forecourts like Topaz and Texaco that you see selling the 1.8 litre adblue bottles for a tenner.

blackwhite

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You know it's actually quite the opposite. You can buy a consumer friendly 10l bottle of adblue from Audi parts with a funnel attachment for €12.50 which is suitable for most people's needs.

It's usually the brand name forecourts like Topaz and Texaco that you see selling the 1.8 litre adblue bottles for a tenner.

And how much do they then charge for the priviledge of having it filled by one of their mechanics? Because that’s what they are recommending.

I pay €0.79 per litre to fill at the pump from Great Gas in Ballymount. No labour charges to have it filled by an “authorised” person either. Truck pump fills my Tiguan perfectly fine, and I can’t imagine Audi have a different inlet compared to VW (especially considering the pic above)

Toyotafanboi

You just buy it over the counter, it comes with a reusable nossle so you can pour it yourself.

Is it written somewhere that they charge for filling?

It's not as cheap as pump adblue but it's not really that expensive.

blackwhite

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You just buy it over the counter, it comes with a reusable nossle so you can pour it yourself.

Is it written somewhere that they charge for filling?

It's not as cheap as pump adblue but it's not really that expensive.

Joe Duffy doesn't want anyone thinking they can actually fill it themselves - that's the point.

Read the link that was provided to the dealer's website (it's in the post I quoted in my first response).

AdBlue tanks must be topped-off by authorized Audi service personnel only, so ensure you visit the professionals at Audi North Dublin or Audi Limerick.

Very clearly telling porkies - only explanation I can see for that is so they can try and charge for the service element as well too.



EDIT:
They also have this beauty at the bottom of the page

WARNING •
Adding AdBlue on your own will not fully refill the two AdBlue tanks. Adding two refill bottles as described below will only allow you to restart your vehicle and drive directly to your Audi dealer, where your AdBlue tanks can be properly and completely refilled. • Failure to heed AdBlue refill information in the instrument cluster can prevent the vehicle from being started and driven. If the vehicle cannot be driven and an emergency arises, personal injury can occur.

Toyotafanboi

I suppose it's hardly a surprise that a business is looking to make more money, I don't think outrage is right emotion particularly as they may well fill it for free and they may just want to get you in to shill you a service or a set of wipers. People are free to shop around, the term "must" is a bit misleading though, I'll give you that, "should" would probably be better as it's a bit less committal when you're telling a lie.

tweaf1

In fairness, my Audi dealer filled mine for €30 plus VAT - 10 litres, thought it was reasonable enough and this way i know it's filled fully.

Toyotafanboi

I suppose it also verifies the quality of the adblue as it does have a finite shelf life and has to be stored at ambient temperatures etc to maintain its quality. If the car ad an adblue related issue and it was filled outside the dealer network you may be in difficulty, not in a dissimilar way to fuel system repairs at the moment. Just a thought.

blackwhite

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I suppose it also verifies the quality of the adblue as it does have a finite shelf life and has to be stored at ambient temperatures etc to maintain its quality. If the car ad an adblue related issue and it was filled outside the dealer network you may be in difficulty, not in a dissimilar way to fuel system repairs at the moment. Just a thought.

Only issues I can see with bad AdBlue would be failing the NCT (or similar) on emissions. It is literally just sprayed into the exhaust fumes. The urea having degraded just means that a water is being sprayed into the fumes instead of a combination of water and urea.

If there was some other issue caused by it, it shouldn't be too hard for someone to establish where they last refilled with AdBlue, given how infrequent refills are.

Summer wind

When I had my A6 I bought the Adblue at Halfords and filled it myself. I had the car 14 months and had to do it twice.

Oafley Jones

tweaf1 wrote: »

In fairness, my Audi dealer filled mine for €30 plus VAT - 10 litres, thought it was reasonable enough and this way i know it's filled fully.

It wasn’t. It’ll cost you less than a tenner in a garage.

Toyotafanboi

blackwhite wrote: »

Only issues I can see with bad AdBlue would be failing the NCT (or similar) on emissions. It is literally just sprayed into the exhaust fumes. The urea having degraded just means that a water is being sprayed into the fumes instead of a combination of water and urea.

If there was some other issue caused by it, it shouldn't be too hard for someone to establish where they last refilled with AdBlue, given how infrequent refills are.

I've seen issues before where it has congealed in the system and also where it has crystallized around the injector tip, both of which put the car into limp mode.

This issue isn't proving where it was filled, as you say, that'll be easy. The issue will be getting them to cover it, its be a lot easier to get an issue repaired if it's the dealers car and the dealers adblue rather than adblue from another source.

eggerb

On the AudiService.ie website you can include it as part of the service for €35. I'm not sure what they would charge if you just look to have it topped up on its own but can't see it being cheaper than that. Anyhow, very happy to do it myself with the 10 litres I picked up for €15.

Back to where I started?! Any thoughts why I could only get about 5 litres into what should be a capacity of 17 litres? Even allowing for the fact it wasn't empty, there still should be remaining capacity of 10-16 litres. Does it take time to get to the second tank from the first?

Half afraid to mention again Joe Duffy Motors - the page I linked to above mentions "proper refilling equipment and procedures to ensure both your AdBlue tanks are completely refilled". Is there some black art only known to the main stealer in ensuring both tanks are filled?

Tuco88

Adblue or DPF.

blackwhite

eggerb wrote: »

On the AudiService.ie website you can include it as part of the service for €35. I'm not sure what they would charge if you just look to have it topped up on its own but can't see it being cheaper than that. Anyhow, very happy to do it myself with the 10 litres I picked up for €15.

Back to where I started?! Any thoughts why I could only get about 5 litres into what should be a capacity of 17 litres? Even allowing for the fact it wasn't empty, there still should be remaining capacity of 10-16 litres. Does it take time to get to the second tank from the first?

Half afraid to mention again Joe Duffy Motors - the page I linked to above mentions "proper refilling equipment and procedures to ensure both your AdBlue tanks are completely refilled". Is there some black art only known to the main stealer in ensuring both tanks are filled?

Not familiar with the specifics of the A6, but from filling other VAG cars I've seen it can take up to 30 sec for the fluid to filter down, which could give you the impression that it was full?

eggerb

Got the other 5 litres in tonight. Reckon it was either slow to feed onto the second tank or the nozzle was stopping any air escaping last night. Sorted either way. Not exactly environmentally friendly all those plastic bottles being produced when it could be just dispensed at a pump. Hopefully, there’ll be more of more pumps around in the future.

Azatadine

Mine is drinking the stuff like there's no tomorrow....

Put 13 litres in about 3000 miles ago and Audi topped it up with 9 litres today during a service.

I also put in 10 litres about 6000 miles ago.

Did anybody notice any difference in the AdBlue consumption before/after the #dieselgate fix?

Toyotafanboi

Most of the Dieselgate cars don't use adblue systems. Afaik those few that did, VW is supplying x amount of free adblue fills on.

Wildly Boaring

tweaf1 wrote: »

In fairness, my Audi dealer filled mine for €30 plus VAT - 10 litres, thought it was reasonable enough and this way i know it's filled fully.

I know it was written a few mmonths ago but is this a feckin piss take?

Ad blue costs about 7c a litre in the haulage industry. Last purchase at work was €70 for 1000 litres. Far as I recall. Trucks need a refill with every say 5th or 6th diesel fill.

I realise people are having to buy on forecourts or from halfolds as we can't all buy 1000 litres.

It is not rocket science to fill. It is not an oil change, about as difficult as windscreen washer filling.

Toyotafanboi

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

I know it was written a few mmonths ago but is this a feckin piss take?

You can probably appreciate how it wouldn't be worth a garages while to fill someone's adblue tank for 70c when they may only buy 10 litres once a year though?

blackwhite

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

I know it was written a few mmonths ago but is this a feckin piss take?

Ad blue costs about 7c a litre in the haulage industry. Last purchase at work was €70 for 1000 litres. Far as I recall. Trucks need a refill with every say 5th or 6th diesel fill.

I realise people are having to buy on forecourts or from halfolds as we can't all buy 1000 litres.

It is not rocket science to fill. It is not an oil change, about as difficult as windscreen washer filling.

Greenchem and Yara sell wholesale to forecourt retailers at between 15-25c per litre, and that’s to fill an 8k litre dispenser/tank combo

I think you might have missed a decimal somewhere there on the costs.

Wildly Boaring

blackwhite wrote: »

Greenchem and Yara sell wholesale to forecourt retailers at between 15-25c per litre, and that’s to fill an 8k litre dispenser/tank combo

I think you might have missed a decimal somewhere there on the costs.

Last time I bought was at least 18 months ago.
Was 4 cubes. €70 a piece, had to return IBC after.

But even at 25c a litre, looking at €2.50 of product that is so simple to put in a 10 year old can do it = €35

Wildly Boaring

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You can probably appreciate how it wouldn't be worth a garages while to fill someone's adblue tank for 70c when they may only buy 10 litres once a year though?

Yep. Totally.

Whole thread was how it's written that only Audi personel can do it. Then we have someone saying it was good value at €35.

It isn't

blackwhite

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Last time I bought was at least 18 months ago.
Was 4 cubes. €70 a piece, had to return IBC after.

But even at 25c a litre, looking at €2.50 of product that is so simple to put in a 10 year old can do it = €35

Garages trying to pretend it’s difficukt are just scamming - nothing new there however.


I see Circle K have included a car/LGV adblue pump at City North, as well as having the HGV pumps.

Different prices for the different pumps...

Toyotafanboi

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Yep. Totally.

Whole thread was how it's written that only Audi personel can do it. Then we have someone saying it was good value at €35.

It isn't

No, but the layman won't be able to buy it in 1000l bulk so it is relatively good value for them compared to their options. You can get the DIY 10l top up kits for around a tenner, they are the way forward really.

blackwhite

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

No, but the layman won't be able to buy it in 1000l bulk so it is relatively good value for them compared to their options. You can get the DIY 10l top up kits for around a tenner, they are the way forward really.

€35 for for 10-12 litres is nothing resembling “relatively good value” when you can get it at the pump for less than €1 per litre.

SBPhoto

I get it the same place i buy my diesel in Dungarvan from a pump at 60C a litre, and there is no need to go to an Audi dealer to get it refilled, its so easy to do, a little slow but the same as filling with diesel. Audi in Waterford charge €50 to top up the Adblue. usage should work out at about 0.7L per 1000K

Truckermal

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

I know it was written a few mmonths ago but is this a feckin piss take?

Ad blue costs about 7c a litre in the haulage industry. Last purchase at work was €70 for 1000 litres. Far as I recall. Trucks need a refill with every say 5th or 6th diesel fill.

I realise people are having to buy on forecourts or from halfolds as we can't all buy 1000 litres.

It is not rocket science to fill. It is not an oil change, about as difficult as windscreen washer filling.

Truck's need a fill when your filling diesel, the new Scania needs to be filled even sooner.

Wildly Boaring

Truckermal wrote: »

Truck's need a fill when your filling diesel, the new Scania needs to be filled even sooner.

These were a fleet of MAN 2013. Need a fill of ad blue to every 5 ish diesel.

New ones on s new Euro rating again?
Euro 6, 7 ??

Wildly Boaring

SBPhoto wrote: »

I get it the same place i buy my diesel in Dungarvan from a pump at 60C a litre, and there is no need to go to an Audi dealer to get it refilled, its so easy to do, a little slow but the same as filling with diesel. Audi in Waterford charge €50 to top up the Adblue. usage should work out at about 0.7L per 1000K

€50. Ok I've never done it on an Audi. Trucks and tractors only. But you literally open the cap and pour in till full

That's it isn't it. If. Someone was charging 50 for wind screen washer it'd make the news or Talk to Joe at least

Tom Hardly

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You can probably appreciate how it wouldn't be worth a garages while to fill someone's adblue tank for 70c when they may only buy 10 litres once a year though?

I like reading your posts on here. You show a refreshing honesty and insight into car dealers but from a dealer perspective.

Very few on here seem to realise that dealers are in the business of making money which employs thousands across the island, not to mention nobody forces you to go to a dealership. Don't like the price? Buy it elsewhere so.

Sure why would I pay money to go to the cinema when I can stream a movie for free at home and eat Tesco value popcorn?

Truckermal

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

These were a fleet of MAN 2013. Need a fill of ad blue to every 5 ish diesel.

New ones on s new Euro rating again?
Euro 6, 7 ??

Yep latest Euro 6 engine's!

Wildly Boaring

Tom Hardly wrote: »

I like reading your posts on here. You show a refreshing honesty and insight into car dealers but from a dealer perspective.

Very few on here seem to realise that dealers are in the business of making money which employs thousands across the island, not to mention nobody forces you to go to a dealership. Don't like the price? Buy it elsewhere so.

Sure why would I pay money to go to the cinema when I can stream a movie for free at home and eat Tesco value popcorn?

But Audi are saying that you do have to go to them for it.

Needs to be out there that this is no harder than replenishing windscreen wash.

Then let people make up their mind on how they get to done.

Agree that if one goes to s dealer to get filled they should be charged accordingly

eggerb

blackwhite wrote: »

I see Circle K have included a car/LGV adblue pump at City North, as well as having the HGV pumps.

Different prices for the different pumps...

I'll add it to the list here https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057859184/3

R.O.R

eggerb wrote: »

I'll add it to the list here https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057859184/3

I already added it a while ago :-)