Vauxhall Insignia

Murtyoc28

Hi, I am purchasing a Vauxhall insignia. The interior has half leather seats but the driver side seat has a little wear and leather damage on it. The dealer has another insignia of the exact model with same seats and has told me if I want I can swap the drivers seats myself if I want to. Both cars are techline models. I'm just wondering is it a straight forward swap or will there be hassle with the seatbelt tensioner bringing on an airbag light after swap, anybody know if I'll run into problems..i just have to travel a bit and will have to do it after work so will not get there until roughly 8pm so if it's going to be too much work I won't bother, thanks in advance for replies.

Lurching

Is there any particular reason for the dealer not doing it for you? Do you need to put the bad seat back in to the other car?
A dealer giving me this option would totally turn me off the dealership. Would you want to be buying that other Insignia knowing a randomer had been swapping out parts on it?

jca

If it's the 2 litre cdti engine I wouldn't be buying it full stop.

Murtyoc28

jca wrote: »

If it's the 2 litre cdti engine I wouldn't be buying it full stop.

Why not?

jca

Murtyoc28 wrote: »

Why not?

There's a very serious design flaw with the oil pick-up pipe causing the engine to run without oil ruining the crankshaft. I wouldn't take the risk tbh.

yobr

jca wrote: »

There's a very serious design flaw with the oil pick-up pipe causing the engine to run without oil ruining the crankshaft. I wouldn't take the risk tbh.

Does that flaw apply to models within a certain age range?

jca

yobr wrote: »

Does that flaw apply to models within a certain age range?

From a quick search its from the first models up to 2017 where they now have a 1.6 diesel.

yobr

jca wrote: »

From a quick search its from the first models up to 2017 where they now have a 1.6 diesel.

thanks, was thinking of bringing one in from the UK....

jca

yobr wrote: »

thanks, was thinking of bringing one in from the UK....

It's really a dangerous gamble to take. The oil pickup pipe is assembled in the sump, there's a fat rubber seal placed in the block, during assembly the pipe is held in place by the sump and this seal is squashed in between. What happens is this seal starts to harden with age not helped by the harsh in-sump environment and starts to disintegrate. The oil pump starts to suck air instead of oil and in quite a short time the crankshaft gets badly scored and mayhem quickly sets in especially if the shells spin in the block/cap rendering the engine scrap. GM's "cure" of reprogramming the ecu to change the value at which the driver is warned that there's no oil pressure doesn't fill me with confidence. Previous owners overfilling them with oil to mask the problem is rife too. If you got a good one in the UK, got the sump dropped and replaced the seal with the "new improved" version you would be ok. Who knows what house of horrors/bodges would await you when that sump reveals the innards:eek:

Murtyoc28

jca wrote: »

It's really a dangerous gamble to take. The oil pickup pipe is assembled in the sump, there's a fat rubber seal placed in the block, during assembly the pipe is held in place by the sump and this seal is squashed in between. What happens is this seal starts to harden with age not helped by the harsh in-sump environment and starts to disintegrate. The oil pump starts to suck air instead of oil and in quite a short time the crankshaft gets badly scored and mayhem quickly sets in especially if the shells spin in the block/cap rendering the engine scrap. GM's "cure" of reprogramming the ecu to change the value at which the driver is warned that there's no oil pressure doesn't fill me with confidence. Previous owners overfilling them with oil to mask the problem is rife too. If you got a good one in the UK, got the sump dropped and replaced the seal with the "new improved" version you would be ok. Who knows what house of horrors/bodges would await you when that sump reveals the innards:eek:

Thanks for that, I'll go down that route and change the seal myself for piece of mind.

chicorytip

jca wrote:

There's a very serious design flaw with the oil pick-up pipe causing the engine to run without oil ruining the crankshaft. I wouldn't take the risk tbh.

Is this problem associated with both variants of the two litre diesel engine (130 and 160 b.h.p.) or the lower powered version only?

jca

chicorytip wrote: »

Is this problem associated with both variants of the two litre diesel engine (130 and 160 b.h.p.) or the lower powered version only?

Both I'd imagine as physically they're the same engine.

Stallingrad

Isn't the 2.0 a bit a durty old Co2 dog? My understanding was that the newer 1.6 is a much better engine.

jca

Stallingrad wrote: »

Isn't the 2.0 a bit a durty old Co2 dog? My understanding was that the newer 1.6 is a much better engine.

Well, It can't be much worse:pac: I don't think the 1.6 made its appearance until 171.

bazz26

2.0 litre 130bhp and 2.0 litre 163bhp were replaced by the 1.6 litre 136bhp and 2.0 litre 170bhp respectively in 2015.

Stallingrad

Never drove the 2.0 but the 1.6 "Whisper diesel' was impressively pokey and quiet. No idea how it stacks up reliability wise.

Drumpot

jca wrote: »

It's really a dangerous gamble to take. The oil pickup pipe is assembled in the sump, there's a fat rubber seal placed in the block, during assembly the pipe is held in place by the sump and this seal is squashed in between. What happens is this seal starts to harden with age not helped by the harsh in-sump environment and starts to disintegrate. The oil pump starts to suck air instead of oil and in quite a short time the crankshaft gets badly scored and mayhem quickly sets in especially if the shells spin in the block/cap rendering the engine scrap. GM's "cure" of reprogramming the ecu to change the value at which the driver is warned that there's no oil pressure doesn't fill me with confidence. Previous owners overfilling them with oil to mask the problem is rife too. If you got a good one in the UK, got the sump dropped and replaced the seal with the "new improved" version you would be ok. Who knows what house of horrors/bodges would await you when that sump reveals the innards:eek:

Sorry to jump in on this. I have an insignia (2010). I have already had to spend a couple of thousand getting things fixed on it over the last 2 years.

My oil gauge has been going down continually , even though I thought I filled it up recently (it didn't reset to a higher % when I put the new oil in). Is this the kind of warning that suggests I have the issue you mention above?

R.O.R

Drumpot wrote: »

Sorry to jump in on this. I have an insignia (2010). I have already had to spend a couple of thousand getting things fixed on it over the last 2 years.

My oil gauge has been going down continually , even though I thought I filled it up recently (it didn't reset to a higher % when I put the new oil in). Is this the kind of warning that suggests I have the issue you mention above?

That's an oil quality reading rather than oil level. Oil gets diluted with fuel from the DPF process so lessens the effectiveness of the oil as time progresses. If you have put a fair bit of oil in there's a chance its now overfilled and that's not good.

Might be a good time to get an oil change.

Cordell

Are you taking about oil life indicator? That has nothing to do with it, it's just a service reminder. It estimates the life left, not the quantity, so don't add oil based on that!

There is only one way to diagnose the oil pump seal issue and that is an oil pressure test, done with an actual pressure gauge, not with the computer. By the time oil pressure low warning appears it's already too late. With a car of that age I would replace that seal, if there is no engine damage and you intend to keep the car.

bren11

jca wrote: »

There's a very serious design flaw with the oil pick-up pipe causing the engine to run without oil ruining the crankshaft. I wouldn't take the risk tbh.

Check out this months Car Mechanics mag. I had a look through it in Easons and it goes through replacing this seal in detail on a 2.0 CDTI.

UsBus

Murtyoc28 wrote: »

Hi, I am purchasing a Vauxhall insignia. The interior has half leather seats but the driver side seat has a little wear and leather damage on it. The dealer has another insignia of the exact model with same seats and has told me if I want I can swap the drivers seats myself if I want to. Both cars are techline models. I'm just wondering is it a straight forward swap or will there be hassle with the seatbelt tensioner bringing on an airbag light after swap, anybody know if I'll run into problems..i just have to travel a bit and will have to do it after work so will not get there until roughly 8pm so if it's going to be too much work I won't bother, thanks in advance for replies.

I'm selling my Vauxhall insignia at the moment. It's the 2.0L SRI 160bhp model if you were interested.?

Fann Linn

Are these Vauxhall/Opel engines with problems, fitted in any other manufacturers cars?

Thanks.

Murtyoc28

bren11 wrote: »

Check out this months Car Mechanics mag. I had a look through it in Easons and it goes through replacing this seal in detail on a 2.0 CDTI.

Really? Must get that it will make the job a breeze

Murtyoc28

UsBus wrote: »

I'm selling my Vauxhall insignia at the moment. It's the 2.0L SRI 160bhp model if you were interested.?

No thanks sorry..i purchased the car.

jca

bren11 wrote: »

Check out this months Car Mechanics mag. I had a look through it in Easons and it goes through replacing this seal in detail on a 2.0 CDTI.

I have it already it’s a great article. Unfortunately a work colleague had the engine go bang in 60 seconds on the motorway last year. He scrapped the car a 2012 uk import in beautiful nick, full service history the works. He got an ex demo 171 with the 1.6 this time.

jca

Murtyoc28 wrote: »

Really? Must get that it will make the job a breeze

The only breeze you’ll encounter is the one whistling around your neck:mad: It’s a tough tricky job, dropping a sump on any engine and trying to keep everything scrupulously clean isn’t easy.

Murtyoc28

bren11 wrote: »

Check out this months Car Mechanics mag. I had a look through it in Easons and it goes through replacing this seal in detail on a 2.0 CDTI.

I went to easons in thurles and they don't stock it, do you know where else I could get It?

bren11

I have seen it in smaller newsagents, but Easons in Thurles should be able to get it in for you. Its the current edition.

Cordell

You can find tutorials online, but be aware that is a pretty big job. Dumping the sump, not changing the seal.

dermo2014

Murtyoc28 wrote: »

bren11 wrote: »

Check out this months Car Mechanics mag. I had a look through it in Easons and it goes through replacing this seal in detail on a 2.0 CDTI.

I went to easons in thurles and they don't stock it, do you know where else I could get It?

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