Buying Uk reg car located in Dublin ( dodgy paperwork !)

A1404

Hi

Was looking at car today uk reg, price seems a little cheap for market value, the guy have english logbook but not on his name, the name on logbook is still on previous owner ! He said he didn't know the previous owner have to sign on logbook. He has Vrt booked in two weeks time.

Been thinking for while today couldn't make up my mind if he is really genuine or scam.

Anyone have any advice ( never bought uk reg car before ) car worth around 10k he want 6.5k for it

RustyNut

A1404 wrote: »

Hi

Was looking at car today uk reg, price seems a little cheap for market value, the guy have english logbook but not on his name, the name on logbook is still on previous owner ! He said he didn't know the previous owner have to sign on logbook. He has Vrt booked in two weeks time.

Been thinking for while today couldn't make up my mind if he is really genuine or scam.

Anyone have any advice ( never bought uk reg car before ) car worth around 10k he want 6.5k for it

Run away as fast as you can...

jcd5971

Run Forrest run

James Bond Junior

Post a link here and watch us pick it apart and tell you what the seller had for breakfast and his dog's star sign!

Pampam087

My sister bought a car last ur of a polish guy who buys english reg cars an fixes them up changes reg everything an same log book wasn't in his name car was also cheaper than ifvshe bought here everything was grand with hers in the end

ba_barabus

Can happen. The seller just has to pull off a small section of the car is being sent for export and give the full V5 to the new buyer.

Do a background history check and check MOT history online.

People who haven't imported a car before would he well advised not to give the OP bad advice

Sam Quentin

So your buying it in 2 weeks time after you accompany him to the vrt for 'his' booking!?
I don't see a problem here.
Vrt already have the car details, if there is an issue then the process wont conclude/come to fruition

Truckermal

If he didn't own the car in the UK it's not going to be in his name, it's illegal for him to sell it to you on UK plates AFAIK.

ba_barabus

Truckermal wrote: »

If he didn't own the car in the UK it's not going to be in his name, it's illegal for him to sell it to you on UK plates AFAIK.

He should pay the vrt before selling it but a lot don't.

A1404

I appreciate your comments. Thank you

The guy bought the car in uk then he bring it by ferry into Ireland, car has been in Dublin for 2 weeks, he booked Vrt appointment on 15th april. He showed me the logbook with previous owner name ect on writing on it, no signature of previous owner. He want to sell it now and I do the Vrt thing by myself. Not sure why the previous owner didn't fill the logbook that he sold it to this guy. He said that he will sign the logbook on behalf of previous owner.

He has car keys, he showed me Cartell report on his phone

If I buy the car and take it to Vrt office, im afraid that they will say why logbook isn't signed by previous owner !!

jcd5971

ba_barabus wrote:

People who haven't imported a car before would he well advised not to give the OP bad advice

Why would you assume that people saying walk haven't imported before?

I'm always very wary buying imports if the price is that much lower, the log book isn't perfectly filled out, not vrt'd etc.

Now some people will say I'm being overly cautious.
But then again I've never had to come on boards or reddit or Facebook or anywhere else crying I've been scammed out of thousands so there you go.

ba_barabus

jcd5971 wrote: »

Why would you assume that people saying walk haven't imported before?

Because they're not aware that the new owner would have the V5 with the previous owners name on it.

Not knowing the most basic step in the import process is generally a dead giveaway people don't know the import process.

Atlantic Dawn

Check the car isn't stolen, check the car isn't cloned, contact the previous owner to verify they were not on a weeks holiday and their car was robbed with logbook.

Why does he want to sell it?

jcd5971

ba_barabus wrote:

Because they're not aware that the new owner would have the V5 with the previous owners name on it.

ba_barabus wrote:

Not knowing the most basic step in the import process is generally a dead giveaway people don't know the import process.

The guy selling the car didn't know he had to get anything signed, wants to sell car nearly 3k less than market and wants op to go through vrt process himself after paying the seller.

This sets off so many alarm bells, I stand by my advice to walk away.

ba_barabus

jcd5971 wrote: »

The guy selling the car didn't know he had to get anything signed, wants to sell car nearly 3k less than market and wants op to go through vrt process himself after paying the seller.

This sets off so many alarm bells, I stand by my advice to walk away.

He didn't have to get anything signed
Most likely bought it cheap in an auction
Casual trader so doesn't want to vrt it.

I'm not saying buy it, I've answered the question the OP asked about the different owner on the v5.

Other than that of course do the usual checks and go with your gut feeling.

Explosive_Cornflake

Should be fine. Just FYI, the VRT is due from when it came in, I.e. it needs to be done within 28 days

jcd5971 wrote: »

The guy selling the car didn't know he had to get anything signed, wants to sell car nearly 3k less than market and wants op to go through vrt process himself after paying the seller.

This sets off so many alarm bells, I stand by my advice to walk away.

bazz26

I'd be doing plenty of background checks on a car like that. If it's cheaper than similar then there is usually a good reason for it. I'm not against lads bringing cars in from the UK to made a few quid on the side but just remember that the most money is made on the cheapest cars bought in the UK which usually tend to be either high mileage examples that shed lots of miles on the ferry across the Irish sea or are crash repaired/flood damaged write offs. So do a UK history check on the car to check for clocking or insurance write off. Put the UK reg into the MOT checker website. And verify the service history with the garages that serviced it.

Regarding the logbook not being in the seller's name. That is normally if you went over to the UK and bought a car yourself. As your not a UK resident the logbook could not be put in your name.

CiniO

jcd5971 wrote: »

The guy selling the car didn't know he had to get anything signed, wants to sell car nearly 3k less than market and wants op to go through vrt process himself after paying the seller.

This sets off so many alarm bells, I stand by my advice to walk away.

Can you actually explain us, what was this guy meant to get signed?
Because you mentioned it few times - but it's quite a mystery so far what is he meant to have signed by previous owner?

ianm1234

€20 for full history, should say if it's robbed too! Either he's a backyard trader with ridiculous negotiating skills to buy it so cheap or its stollen, cars from the north are generally very cheap anyway and don't forget to check price of vrt, I bought a Capri once and he said vrt was €200 because it's a classic, it actually cost €2,000

jcd5971

ba_barabus wrote:

He didn't have to get anything signed Most likely bought it cheap in an auction Casual trader so doesn't want to vrt it.

This could be the case to be fair.

ba_barabus wrote:

Other than that of course do the usual checks and go with your gut feeling.

Yep I'd get every report I could on it don't end up spending a pound to save a penny.

CiniO wrote:

Can you actually explain us, what was this guy meant to get signed? Because you mentioned it few times - but it's quite a mystery so far what is he meant to have signed by previous owner?

Its just the whole package seems off.
He has the correct form but when challenged claims he didn't know he had to get it signed, surely he should know whether he had the correct forms or not.

Does he have any proof of purchase that he actually bought the car. Going off of what op said he only has the v5c form.

Its just the sellers lack of knowledge, lack of documentation to back up his ownership of car, not wanting to be involved with the vrt and wanting the cash paid before this is even done.
And the the serious good price the car is in.

ba_barabus

Personally I'd walk but remember your not buying the seller just the car.

He's probably just trying to be a cute hoore or too thick to understand why someone would ask questions.

CiniO

jcd5971 wrote: »

Its just the whole package seems off.
He has the correct form but when challenged claims he didn't know he had to get it signed, surely he should know whether he had the correct forms or not.

But it is OP who asked him why was the logbook not signed.

There's no reason at all for the logbook to be signed, so that seller was actually right in saying to OP that he didn't know he had to get it signed, because in fact he didn't have to.

Does he have any proof of purchase that he actually bought the car. Going off of what op said he only has the v5c form.

Its just the sellers lack of knowledge, lack of documentation to back up his ownership of car, not wanting to be involved with the vrt and wanting the cash paid before this is even done.
And the the serious good price the car is in.

I agree that everyone buying a car should be careful, and there are some valid points, but not signed V5C is definitely not one of them.

A1404

Its kinda the sime like here in Ireland, when you buy a car privately, the seller write his and your name on logbook and both sign it so he will then send it to change ownership

The logbook the guy showed was a women name on it the previous owner

CiniO

A1404 wrote: »

Its kinda the sime like here in Ireland, when you buy a car privately, the seller write his and your name on logbook and both sign it so he will then send it to change ownership

But that's when buyer is from UK (UK resident).
Im case of foreign buyer, procedure is different, and there's no signing on the V5C.

The logbook the guy showed was a women name on it the previous owner

And that's how it should be.

He shouldn't be selling that car thought like that.

SmartinMartin

the car may be completely legit. Three pieces of advice;
Pay for a HPI check on the uk reg, it'll turn up anything wrong and it'll show mileage at last mot, previous owners, accidents etc.
If that turns out ok, check the vin number under the bonnet with the vin number on the vlc (not the vin number in the windscreen, that's easily replaced). Bring a cloth and a bottle of nail polish remover (acetone). Rub the vin number and surrounding area with the cloth dipped in the acetone. If paint comes off easily you're looking at a ringer with the vin plate cut out and a replacement isoponed in. If it's ok after a couple of wipes, check the font of the vin hasn't been stamped over.
Google the model and try to find the location of the engine number to check against the vlc.
If all that is ok and you're happy with the car, go for it and happy motoring for a good price.