ESB charging card - temp usage?

Kramer

Planning on trialling a 30kW Leaf for a weekend. With regards to accessing the network of rapid chargers, is it only possible to use them by calling when at the charger for access & again when finishing charging?
I called the ESB - they say that's the only option until an EV is purchased/registered.
I have read some NFC enabled cards can work - how would I check this before hand? Head to a charger now & see if a card activates it?
In Limerick on the off chance anyone can help.

Gumbo

When you get to a charger, ring the 24 hour number on the charger and they will turn it on for you.

unkel

And on a lot of chargers any rfid will work too, like your bank card, leap card, your phone, etc.

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

And on a lot of chargers any rfid will work too, like your bank card, leap card, your phone, etc.

I'd be surprised if my bank card works - it definitely never works when I require cash from an atm .
Thanks for the replies.

Wonder would the 30kw Leaf be good for 110km on the motorway, that's the fast charger at J14. Thinking of a long trip, fast-charge half way, fast charge at destination, topped off with granny cable before repeating in reverse the following day. All motorway. Want to see how bearable a long journey is on the motorway travelling at say 100kph.

Anything else I should test while I have the opportunity?

Gumbo

Kramer wrote: »

I'd be surprised if my bank card works - it definitely never works when I require cash from an atm .
Thanks for the replies.

Wonder would the 30kw Leaf be good for 110km on the motorway, that's the fast charger at J14. Thinking of a long trip, fast-charge half way, fast charge at destination, topped off with granny cable before repeating in reverse the following day. All motorway. Want to see how bearable a long journey is on the motorway travelling at say 100kph.

Anything else I should test while I have the opportunity?

At 80-90kmh yes it will do that all day long.
I don’t 96km in a 24kwh leaf in the cold last year at 80-90kmh and I had approx 18% remaining.

You may even be able to travel at about 100kmh.

unkel

kceire wrote: »

At 80-90kmh yes it will do that all day long.

Surely you could drive a lot faster than that in a 30kWh Leaf to have a range of 110km? It should do that even at a real speed of 120km/h, surely?

n97 mini

kceire wrote: »

When you get to a charger, ring the 24 hour number on the charger and they will turn it on for you.

It's a 1890 number so you'll be charged for the call regardless. Call (01) 258 3799 instead. Same thing.

unkel wrote: »

And on a lot of chargers any rfid will work too, like your bank card, leap card, your phone, etc.

Works on a minority of CPs. In my experience some FCPs and zero SCPs.

lafors

unkel wrote: »

And on a lot of chargers any rfid will work too, like your bank card, leap card, your phone, etc.

Yep I use my leap card as I've still not got the ESB one.
Worked 100% of the time for me so far

Calahonda52

Kramer wrote: »

Planning on trialling a 30kW Leaf for a weekend. With regards to accessing the network of rapid chargers, is it only possible to use them by calling when at the charger for access & again when finishing charging?
I called the ESB - they say that's the only option until an EV is purchased/registered.
I have read some NFC enabled cards can work - how would I check this before hand? Head to a charger now & see if a card activates it?
In Limerick on the off chance anyone can help.

garage should provide a card

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

Surely you could drive a lot faster than that in a 30kWh Leaf to have a range of 110km? It should do that even at a real speed of 120km/h, surely?

Yes very possible but my experience was with the 24kwh car so I didn’t want to overshoot just in case. A 30kwh owner hint confirm.

Kramer

Good info, thanks everyone.
Will report back on my experience.

Kramer

Can anyone bring me 5 liters of electricity please?


Currently charging, rfid credit card has unlocked all the FCPs I've used. Interesting journey & a great insight into EV motoring.

creedp

unkel wrote: »

Surely you could drive a lot faster than that in a 30kWh Leaf to have a range of 110km? It should do that even at a real speed of 120km/h, surely?

Picked up a 30kw car on Friday and decided to do a 380km journey - Louth to Cork on Saturday returning on Monday overall just over 800kms driven. One thing for sure I certainly experienced significant range anxiety - especially arriving home as I trundled in drive at 10.30pm after 6.5hrs on the road with zero % battery having prayed for last km that I wouldn't hit turtle mode!

Although early days I was disappointed with range. That last stint involved 121km starting off with 86% charge with cruise control set at 95kmh. I find the range indicator very inaccurate as I started off with 132km range and with only 65kms left to go I had a range of 102km which dropped to 64km range with only 40km left in journey. For the last 40km I drove at 80kmph and still ran completely out of juice.

For most of the journey I set the cruise control to 110km and my range was very poor, e.g. I started off Sat am from home with 100% charge and drove 90km and had 36% battery. I then charged to 90% and drove for 111km and had only 17% left.

On way back I left Rochestown with 88% charge and a 152km indicated range but after only 96km at 110kmph I had only 12% battery left. I then charged to 95% with an 138km indicated range and after 104km at 110kmph I had only 16% battery left.

For a while I was doubting I had a 30kwh car but at one of the stops I put just 16.68kw into car to bring it from 30% battery remaining to approx. 92% which means it couldn't be a 24Kwh car..

Bit worried now that the car won't do my 130km commute on a single charge unless I absolutely crawl. If that's the case Id prefer to take the bus!

unkel

creedp wrote: »

Bit worried now that the car won't do my 130km commute on a single charge unless I absolutely crawl. If that's the case Id prefer to take the bus!

Myself and others have been trying to tell you that

Ioniq will do it even in the worst winter weather, but Leaf won't. You will probably be ok though if you hypermile and drive like miss Daisy. Owning a Leaf is fine for people driving like miss Daisy.

creedp

unkel wrote: »

Myself and others have been trying to tell you that

Ioniq will do it even in the worst winter weather, but Leaf won't. You will probably be ok though if you hypermile and drive like miss Daisy. Owning a Leaf is fine for people driving like miss Daisy.

I may have been selective in the opinions I absorbed but I thought a number of people were of the view that a 30kwh car would do 130km on a single charge but wisely suggested that I test the car to make sure it worked on my commute. Driving like Miss Daisy does not fill me with a warm fuzzy feeling. My time with a Leaf may well be short lived - at least the Summer is coming.

fricatus

creedp wrote: »

On way back I left Rochestown with 88% charge...

That wasn't you in a white Leaf, was it? You'd have been waiting on a guy in a black Ioniq around 1 o'clock? I was in the white Ioniq that charged before him.

Bit mad that there's only one CCS fast charger in Cork city! :eek: The guy before me had a few choice words to say about the charging network!

ELM327

creedp wrote: »

Picked up a 30kw car on Friday and decided to do a 380km journey - Louth to Cork on Saturday returning on Monday overall just over 800kms driven. One thing for sure I certainly experienced significant range anxiety - especially arriving home as I trundled in drive at 10.30pm after 6.5hrs on the road with zero % battery having prayed for last km that I wouldn't hit turtle mode!

Although early days I was disappointed with range. That last stint involved 121km starting off with 86% charge with cruise control set at 95kmh. I find the range indicator very inaccurate as I started off with 132km range and with only 65kms left to go I had a range of 102km which dropped to 64km range with only 40km left in journey. For the last 40km I drove at 80kmph and still ran completely out of juice.

For most of the journey I set the cruise control to 110km and my range was very poor, e.g. I started off Sat am from home with 100% charge and drove 90km and had 36% battery. I then charged to 90% and drove for 111km and had only 17% left.

On way back I left Rochestown with 88% charge and a 152km indicated range but after only 96km at 110kmph I had only 12% battery left. I then charged to 95% with an 138km indicated range and after 104km at 110kmph I had only 16% battery left.

For a while I was doubting I had a 30kwh car but at one of the stops I put just 16.68kw into car to bring it from 30% battery remaining to approx. 92% which means it couldn't be a 24Kwh car..

Bit worried now that the car won't do my 130km commute on a single charge unless I absolutely crawl. If that's the case Id prefer to take the bus!

Leaf is very inefficient above 100 km/h
I've done 130km in a 24kWh leaf on one charge. At 90-100 km/h.
At 110 km/h you would get about 105km per charge in my 24kWh.

If you did that trip at 100km/h you wouldnt have had range anxiety.
An Ioniq would not have had a problem due to exponentially better efficiency

creedp

ELM327 wrote: »

Leaf is very inefficient above 100 km/h
I've done 130km in a 24kWh leaf on one charge. At 90-100 km/h.
At 110 km/h you would get about 105km per charge in my 24kWh.

If you did that trip at 100km/h you wouldnt have had range anxiety.
An Ioniq would not have had a problem due to exponentially better efficiency

What concerned me most was for the last leg of journey I travelled 121km at max 95kmph and at only 80kmph for last 30km or so and still went from 86% battery to zero. Boy was I happy to roll in the drive in the lashing rain!!

ELM327

creedp wrote: »

What concerned me most was for the last leg of journey I travelled 121km at max 95kmph and at only 80kmph for last 30km or so and still went from 86% battery to zero. Boy was I happy to roll in the drive in the lashing rain!!

You must have had some elevation changes or something because that's quite low. It's still greater than what you would get from a 24kWh but not by that much.

Suggestion: Buy the "leafspy" app and an OBDII bluetooth dongle. It shows the state of health of the battery (and many other helpful facts). I got mine after getting my leaf and it gives a lot more insight into the car.

creedp

fricatus wrote: »

That wasn't you in a white Leaf, was it? You'd have been waiting on a guy in a black Ioniq around 1 o'clock? I was in the white Ioniq that charged before him.

Bit mad that there's only one CCS fast charger in Cork city! :eek: The guy before me had a few choice words to say about the charging network!

No it was after 4pm when I got to charger. Yea the charge network is very poor. I thought there was a fast charger on Kinsale Rd just off the South Link but it appears to be out of action at present .. is that a long term issue?

There is a fast charger in Fermoy but its right in the middle of the town. I stopped there on Saturday around 12pm and the traffic was horrendous. Can't understand why it wasn't located in one of the petrol stations on either side of town.

Its all fine until you are in a rush and arrive at station with multiple EVs waiting in line!

creedp

ELM327 wrote: »

You must have had some elevation changes or something because that's quite low. It's still greater than what you would get from a 24kWh but not by that much.

Suggestion: Buy the "leafspy" app and an OBDII bluetooth dongle. It shows the state of health of the battery (and many other helpful facts). I got mine after getting my leaf and it gives a lot more insight into the car.

Thanks. What OBDII dongle did you get?

ELM327

creedp wrote: »

Thanks. What OBDII dongle did you get?

It's called an ELM327... I bought one from Amazon that was linked from this forum. Will see if I still have the link


EDIT: It's the one from this post
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102580500&postcount=2

zilog_jones

unkel wrote: »

You will probably be ok though if you hypermile and drive like miss Daisy. Owning a Leaf is fine for people driving like miss Daisy.

It's "Driving Miss Daisy"! Miss Daisy crashed her car and hired a chauffeur - if you drive like her you'd have bigger problems than range anxiety

unkel

I do remember that the film was on the tele at some point, but I mustn't have paid attention

BoatMad

as an owner of a 30 kwh leaf that does 130km round trip commute every work day , I can confirm that if you limit your speed to 100Kmph or less you will easily achieve 130km range

at 105 kmph indicated , the car arrives after 65km typically indicating 60-65% remaining

This is all on the M11

creedp

BoatMad wrote: »

as an owner of a 30 kwh leaf that does 130km round trip commute every work day , I can confirm that if you limit your speed to 100Kmph or less you will easily achieve 130km range

at 105 kmph indicated , the car arrives after 65km typically indicating 60-65% remaining

This is all on the M11

That's quite good. I have a 136km commute. Over a couple of days I averaged 42% battery for the morning leg and 47% for the evening leg leaving me with only 11% remaining after 136kms. Will keep an eye on it over a period of time to see how it goes. This am I'm back in S-Max as my other half is travelling with me and didn't want to experience the range anxiety and the lack of ability to increase speed to motorway limit so we could get to crèche on time.

I have to say I like the Leaf for its smoothness and quietness but its almost a relief not to be looking at range / battery % trying to work out if I can get home without a top up charge!! Its also less demoralising to be on motorway and not being overtaken by literally every car, bus and even some trucks on the road. Its probably karma coming back to bite be in the derriere!!

BoatMad

creedp wrote: »

That's quite good. I have a 136km commute. Over a couple of days I averaged 42% battery for the morning leg and 47% for the evening leg leaving me with only 11% remaining after 136kms. Will keep an eye on it over a period of time to see how it goes. This am I'm back in S-Max as my other half is travelling with me and didn't want to experience the range anxiety and the lack of ability to increase speed to motorway limit so we could get to crèche on time.

I have to say I like the Leaf for its smoothness and quietness but its almost a relief not to be looking at range / battery % trying to work out if I can get home without a top up charge!! Its also less demoralising to be on motorway and not being overtaken by literally every car, bus and even some trucks on the road. Its probably karma coming back to bite be in the derriere!!

our experience after 103,000km in two years is that we would never revert to ICE as a primarily vehicle, ( our diesel is a secondary low mileage use )

we regularily from from Gorey into Dublin , around the city and then recharge to get home, often twice a week in some cases, tomorrow for example , I will do Gorey , Wicklow, Blackrock, Athlone, Wexford town, Gorey in one day , charging as required

500km for the cost of a 99 !!

creedp

BoatMad wrote: »

our experience after 103,000km in two years is that we would never revert to ICE as a primarily vehicle, ( our diesel is a secondary low mileage use )

we regularily from from Gorey into Dublin , around the city and then recharge to get home, often twice a week in some cases, tomorrow for example , I will do Gorey , Wicklow, Blackrock, Athlone, Wexford town, Gorey in one day , charging as required

500km for the cost of a 99 !!

I'm not disagreeing with you but it does require all parties (or at least those with a power of veto!!) to buy into the additional time required to charge on a longer route. When I did my 360km (720 m round) trip I was on my own so didn't have to put up with any discontent from other passengers. However, on my daily commute I frequently am under pressure to get to a crèche before 6.30pm and if I'm running late but can't exceed speed to make up a couple of precious minutes then I'm in the real doghouse!!

BoatMad

creedp wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you but it does require all parties (or at least those with a power of veto!!) to buy into the additional time required to charge on a longer route. When I did my 360km (720 m round) trip I was on my own so didn't have to put up with any discontent from other passengers. However, on my daily commute I frequently am under pressure to get to a crèche before 6.30pm and if I'm running late but can't exceed speed to make up a couple of precious minutes then I'm in the real doghouse!!

yes I agree, relying on public re charging , especially in the GDA, can result in significant delays , a possibility that a pricing regime will deter some opportunistic re-chargers make improve that as would additional chargers at common locations of course

Ultimately my objective is to have a range that covers 95% of all our driving , something like a 60 Kwh Leaf or similar would do that removing almost all journeys from needing access to roadside recharging

I await a 50 kwh Ioniq with interest as I do the 60kwh Leaf and wont change till I can achieve that level off battery capacity

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

I await a 50 kwh Ioniq with interest as I do the 60kwh Leaf

64kWh Kona should be in the showrooms in a few months time. The cars you mention are far, far away

Stealthirl

unkel wrote: »

64kWh Kona should be in the showrooms in a few months time. The cars you mention are far, far away

Will likely end up over €35K OTR here for the 64Kw since there talking about a £30k target in the UK which if true would be a real deal.

creedp

ELM327 wrote: »

It's called an ELM327... I bought one from Amazon that was linked from this forum. Will see if I still have the link


EDIT: It's the one from this post
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102580500&postcount=2

I was just about to buy this dongle when I saw this model on amazon. Is this a more updated version of the version above? Will it be compatible with L30?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01C5JQ9L2/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B01C5JQ9L2&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_p=2645519350813798661&pf_rd_r=T05VVHVATPD5KJ4MEWXZ&pd_rd_wg=qs64J&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_w=zbobr&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pd_rd_r=192e798a-4d3d-11e8-ae5e-1b913b215a47

Also just want to check if people leave the dongle plugged in permanently? I've seen conflicting views on this in different forums. Some argue is will deflate battery if left plugged in (although both of these versions have auto sleep functions) while the OBD 2 port in car can be damaged if you unplug it too often. Would it be worthwhile getting an OBD 2 extension cable to plug / unplug the dongle while leaving the lead permanently plugged into car port?

zilog_jones

It's some spurious Chinese product - even if it has the same brand it could be coming from a completely different manufacturer. It might work fine, or be complete junk.

I've got an OBDLink LX which wasn't cheap, but it works, had a warranty, is faster than a lot of cheap stuff (if you want to get real time data reliably), and doesn't kill the 12V battery. I heard someone here saying it didn't work with Leaf Spy but I haven't tried myself (could have been some phone compatibility issue).

creedp

zilog_jones wrote: »

It's some spurious Chinese product - even if it has the same brand it could be coming from a completely different manufacturer. It might work fine, or be complete junk.

I've got an OBDLink LX which wasn't cheap, but it works, had a warranty, is faster than a lot of cheap stuff (if you want to get real time data reliably), and doesn't kill the 12V battery. I heard someone here saying it didn't work with Leaf Spy but I haven't tried myself (could have been some phone compatibility issue).

Thanks. Found this in the Details provided - "Works on all 2001+ cars and light trucks sold in the European Union (except hybrid or electric vehicles)" - so it may well be it won't work with Leafspy.

In any case I might just play it safe and get the original linked model as at least then I can be sure its compatible with Leafspy. One less thing to be annoyed about!

zilog_jones

creedp wrote: »

Found this in the Details provided - "Works on all 2001+ cars and light trucks sold in the European Union (except hybrid or electric vehicles)"

That just means it works with the OBD-II standard, and even that's misleading as diesel vehicles sold in the EU were not required to support it until 2004. Hybrids and BEVs support OBD-II, but as to whether it works with anything beyond basic fault code reading could be the issue.

creedp

creedp wrote: »

Also just want to check if people leave the dongle plugged in permanently? I've seen conflicting views on this in different forums. Some argue is will deflate battery if left plugged in (although both of these versions have auto sleep functions) while the OBD 2 port in car can be damaged if you unplug it too often. Would it be worthwhile getting an OBD 2 extension cable to plug / unplug the dongle while leaving the lead permanently plugged into car port?

I'm going to order my OBD 2 dongle but was wondering if anyone has a view on whether it should be left permanently plugged in and whether it is worth getting an OBD 2 extension cable to prevent damage to car's OBD 2 port if it is frequently plugged out?