Irish water -bust pipe

lakill Farm

Anyone have the unfortunate experience of them or a contractor busting an Irish water mains in the last few years. Or indeed a council mains before irish water

What was the cost if any billed out ?

wrangler

lakill Farm wrote: »

Anyone have the unfortunate experience of them or a contractor busting an Irish water mains in the last few years. Or indeed a council mains before irish water

What was the cost if any billed out ?

Don't think they'll allow you go near it or cut the road unless your contractor has massive insurance to do the job first

lakill Farm

wrangler wrote: »

Don't think they'll allow you go near it or cut the road unless your contractor has massive insurance to do the job first

It happened a month ago. Just before the beast from the east. The local co co sent someone out to turn off the water and fixed it the next day.

They told me there would be a bill for the call outs and repair.

Btw it was a tree stump that bust the pipe when being removed.

alps

Looks like they dont fix anything in Dublin judging by Prime Time...

mycro2013

lakill Farm wrote: »

It happened a month ago. Just before the beast from the east. The local co co sent someone out to turn off the water and fixed it the next day.

They told me there would be a bill for the call outs and repair.

Btw it was a tree stump that bust the pipe when being removed.

Hold tough, happened here before and I heard no more about it.

lakill Farm

mycro2013 wrote: »

Hold tough, happened here before and I heard no more about it.

Contractor pushing to get paid.

But same lad told me he was insured. And moment the water started to flow, he was gone flying out the gate. He didn’t have insurance. Yes i should have checked, I know

whelan2

Aren't irish water bills every three months?

lakill Farm

whelan2 wrote: »

Aren't irish water bills every three months?

This was the mains. None of the flow would have been accounted for on my meter

And the bill you mention is for water consumption

whelan2

lakill Farm wrote: »

This was the mains. None of the flow would have been accounted for on my meter

And the bill you mention is for water consumption

Was just wondering would it be included in that. We where on the mains last year for 3months and never got a bill for it .

lakill Farm

whelan2 wrote: »

Was just wondering would it be included in that. We where on the mains last year for 3months and never got a bill for it .

I don’t know. I just don’t want to pay the contractor and then to fight him to pay the repair bill if it materialises

Muckit

Iakill l would say it'd be you that would be liable for pipe as contractor was working on your behalf. lt was you that gave him the instructions l presume to dig or work in that spot. Or did he wander in off the street and start digging.

And for God sake pay the man for his work. Everyone has ro live. You'll be going on til nobody will work for you

anthony500_1

Do not pay the contractor if he was supplied by the co co or irish water. He is looking to be paid on the double. Any proper contractor working on behalf of the local authorities will be paid directly by the authorities which sent him out. On a side note, the contractor should submit his bills once a month and is gaurenteed to be paid within 30 days of receipt of his invoice

Edit.....Just looked over your first post, if you rang the contractor direct, I'm afraid it's you who will pay the man direct, chances are if you didn't report it to Irish water then they won't bill you as they will have no record of it

Victor

lakill Farm wrote: »

Anyone have the unfortunate experience of them or a contractor busting an Irish water mains in the last few years.

What size main? Irish Water, if they are inclined to bill, would charge their contractors fee plus an overhead.

anthony500_1 wrote: »

Do not pay the contractor if he was supplied by the co co or irish water.

I think he is referring to the contractor who removed the tree stump.

BarryD2

Send the bill to Paul Murphy TD

valtra2

BarryD2 wrote: »

Send the bill to Paul Murphy TD

He should be loaded with that safe money.

lakill Farm

Muckit wrote: »

Iakill l would say it'd be you that would be liable for pipe as contractor was working on your behalf. lt was you that gave him the instructions l presume to dig or work in that spot. Or did he wander in off the street and start digging.

And for God sake pay the man for his work. Everyone has ro live. You'll be going on til nobody will work for you

Id have paid him if he had not lied about his insurance and until im sure about the bill for repairs it will be held.

If your hedgecutter crew knows a pole do you pay the esb/eircom?

Odelay

lakill Farm wrote: »

Id have paid him if he had not lied about his insurance and until im sure about the bill for repairs it will be held.

If your hedgecutter crew knows a pole do you pay the esb/eircom?

If he said he was insured and was not I wouldn't pay him. Having insurance was part of the requirement, he failed to provide that.
Wait and see what happens from irish water. If nothing happens then you could think about paying him.

mycro2013

The main line that burst was it a 2" or bigger. If you ruptured a main supply line for a major town something like a 24" or bigger I'd be expected a bill. In this instance it sounds like the equivalent of a water trough line.

The local authorities are beginning to introduce find and fix crews to target and fix leaks in the system. Sure you finding that leak, is one less that they'll have to find. Your after doing them a service.

lakill Farm

Odelay wrote: »

If he said he was insured and was not I wouldn't pay him. Having insurance was part of the requirement, he failed to provide that.
Wait and see what happens from irish water. If nothing happens then you could think about paying him.

Yes he told me he was insured. Otherwise I would not have gotten him to fell 4 trees along a busy road. I was foolish not to have requested a copy

lakill Farm

mycro2013 wrote: »

The main line that burst was it a 2" or bigger. If you ruptured a main supply line for a major town something like a 24" or bigger I'd be expected a bill. In this instance it sounds like the equivalent of a water trough line.

The local authorities are beginning to introduce find and fix crews to target and fix leaks in the system. Sure you finding that leak, is one less that they'll have to find. Your after doing them a service.

It was either a 6 or 8 inch pipe. The pressure and flow was unbelievable.

Aravo

lakill Farm wrote:

It was either a 6 or 8 inch pipe. The pressure and flow was unbelievable.

A fair sup of water alright. Was the contractor advised of the possibility of a watermain prior to removing the tree root. A main like that should have been known. If it was known, I can't imagine a contractor working to dig out. One would have been best advised to leave in place and grind down stub if necessary.

mycro2013

lakill Farm wrote: »

It was either a 6 or 8 inch pipe. The pressure and flow was unbelievable.

There is some flow on them alright.Those instances happen the whole time, lads driving stakes and erecting esb/telecom poles. If you could meet one of the council lads, (caretaker of local water plant) and ask him what is the procedure in regards billing. He may offer some piece of mind.

anthony500_1

lakill Farm wrote:

Yes he told me he was insured. Otherwise I would not have gotten him to fell 4 trees along a busy road. I was foolish not to have requested a copy

To be fair, you were caught by a con man of sorts, lying about his insurance is a serious issue, I'd say nothing to Irish water. if you get a bill, address it, otherwise say nothing as they won't know any different and you won't get a stinker of a bill of them.

As for your contractor, pay him for the work he has done, and delete his number, in my opinion he is not a reputable sort of a chap

Just thank your lucky stars nothing happened when he was carrying out the work. As it could have been a right mess.

lakill Farm

anthony500_1 wrote: »

To be fair, you were caught by a con man of sorts, lying about his insurance is a serious issue, I'd say nothing to Irish water. if you get a bill, address it, otherwise say nothing as they won't know any different and you won't get a stinker of a bill of them.

As for your contractor, pay him for the work he has done, and delete his number, in my opinion he is not a reputable sort of a chap

Just thank your lucky stars nothing happened when he was carrying out the work. As it could have been a right mess.

And if I pay contractor and then get a stinking bill what then ?

lakill Farm

mycro2013 wrote: »

There is some flow on them alright.Those instances happen the whole time, lads driving stakes and erecting esb/telecom poles. If you could meet one of the council lads, (caretaker of local water plant) and ask him what is the procedure in regards billing. He may offer some piece of mind.

Irish water were a joke to deal with. After the incident I still had 3 stumps to come extract.

You should have seen the detailed maps then sent me. It didn’t even indicate which side of the road the pipes were. Had one real sound engineer in Wh co co who was so helpful. The rest were just your typical pen pushers

They had all the suggestions but when asked anything had not a clue.

According to a Neightbour (mid 60s age) The trees were mature when he was a kid. And the water pipe went in about 1968.

Victor

lakill Farm wrote: »

Irish water were a joke to deal with.

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You should have seen the detailed maps then sent me.

Blame the councils for the poor quality of drawings.

The position of pipes can be detected with electronic equipment.

lakill Farm

Victor wrote: »

Blame the councils for the poor quality of drawings.

The position of pipes can be detected with electronic equipment.

I was told that a “cat” would not pick them up. Awe well

anthony500_1

A *cat" won't pick them up. Unless it's electric cable the cat is useless. You can use a "pulse generator' on the end of a sewer rod to track the pipe with the cat, But you would need to get access into the pipe to be able to detect the pipe properly