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Will depreciation accelerate on lower range models?

  • 26-03-2018 6:37am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭


    It is a very broad question but it was something that was said to me yesterday and it echos something a dealer said to me a few weeks ago.

    Will the likes of the 24kWh Leaf, the 26kWh eGolf, even the 30kWh Leaf start to take a huge nose dive in price now because of the newer longer range models?

    Range seems to be the big hang up on electric cars so will people buy second hand lower range cars or hold out for the new higher range like Leaf 2/Kona/Niro etc etc

    This is probably a selfish question as well, I wasn't concerned about the eGolf value and probably shouldn't be but something is nagging in back of head, also with the lack of the 26kWh eGolf available it is extremely hard to price check......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    Range is the single biggest factor stopping a mass uptake of leccy cars. The market for older/ lower range cars will be significantly reduced when the newer ones come on sale. They simply won’t sell unless very attractively priced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭tedpan


    Shefwedfan wrote:
    Will the likes of the 24kWh Leaf, the 26kWh eGolf, even the 30kWh Leaf start to take a huge nose dive in price now because of the newer longer range models?


    After 3 years on PCP I was offered 9k two months ago for my 24kw Leaf SVE, leather, Bose etc. 29k new after grants etc.

    I can't see it deprecating much fast than that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tedpan wrote: »
    After 3 years on PCP I was offered 9k two months ago for my 24kw Leaf SVE, leather, Bose etc. 29k new after grants etc.

    I can't see it deprecating much fast than that.

    The 24kW SVE was been sold on 172 plate for 20k at end of last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭tedpan


    Shefwedfan wrote:
    The 24kW SVE was been sold on 172 plate for 20k at end of last year.


    Brand new?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭tedpan


    There's a 24kw 172 in cork for 24k now


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tedpan wrote: »
    Brand new?

    Yes, it was posted up here....I think it was Nissan Naas.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭tedpan


    Shefwedfan wrote:
    Yes, it was posted up here....I think it was Nissan Naas.....


    There's nothing for that price on a 172 now, even second hand. Where was it posted?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tedpan wrote: »
    There's nothing for that price on a 172 now, even second hand. Where was it posted?

    It was in this forum, if I remember it was a photo of the offer which was in the press. It was €19,999 for a 24kWh SVE....it might of been in the Nissan Leaf super thread

    I got offered a 24kWh SVE for either 22 or 23k this time last year. Brand new from Hutton and Meade. So 20k at end of year wasn't a huge jump


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It is a very broad question but it was something that was said to me yesterday and it echos something a dealer said to me a few weeks ago.

    Will the likes of the 24kWh Leaf, the 26kWh eGolf, even the 30kWh Leaf start to take a huge nose dive in price now because of the newer longer range models?

    Range seems to be the big hang up on electric cars so will people buy second hand lower range cars or hold out for the new higher range like Leaf 2/Kona/Niro etc etc

    Its always the worry with buying EV is the whole depreciation thing.

    Everyone has an opinion but I would ignore the opinion of those coming from a pure ICE background because they think the EV market is the same as the ICE market. Its a very different market with no one having a clear idea of how the market will react and with governments also sticking their oar in things can change by a simple stroke of a minister's pen.... these kind of things are not the norm in the ICE world so ignore anyone who only knows/understands the ICE market.

    Regardless, every car, even EV's depreciate its just a matter of how quickly. Personally I think by the time that we have large volumes of 60kWh EV's on our roads the current crop of <30kWh cars will be >10yrs old so depreciation isnt going to matter to you.

    Put another way, I dont think you are going to wake up some morning and find you've lost thousands on your eGolf that you didnt already know and see coming over many months.


    Clearly, as the norm for new EV's is going to be 40-70kWh batteries, the <30kWh EV's are not going to be desirable. I dont care, the car will be 10yrs old by then and I'll have got my value. In the meantime you will still have new buyers who cant afford to drop €30k on a new car and will be looking to buy a 2nd hand EV from a very small pool of cars, thus keeping the depreciation in check.

    The only real thing that will cause mass depreciation of the <30kWh is if the market is flooded (thousands, not hundreds) with 60kWh EV's.... do you see that happening in the next 5yrs? Whatever your answer to that is, is the answer to your thread!


    theteal wrote: »
    Range is the single biggest factor stopping a mass uptake of leccy cars. The market for older/ lower range cars will be significantly reduced when the newer ones come on sale. They simply won’t sell unless very attractively priced.

    On the face of it that makes sense but the reality is that the current short range EV's are still suitable for lots of people and more of them are waking up to that so you will have increased demand for a product that is no longer being produced!
    We'd all like a long range version but not everyone can pay €35k+ for that. I dont think we will see a drastic reduction in 2nd hand value unless lots of 60kWh cars become available at <€30k prices.... and that doesnt appear to be happening in the short term.

    tedpan wrote: »
    After 3 years on PCP I was offered 9k two months ago for my 24kw Leaf SVE, leather, Bose etc. 29k new after grants etc.
    I can't see it deprecating much fast than that.

    Thats not really the depreciation though, is it? Thats the outcome of a PCP deal... i.e. the GMFV.

    A 151 24kWh Leaf Tekna is asking around £11k(€12500) in the UK. UK is usually priced below Ireland so thats the real depreciation, imo. The cheapest 151 Tekna on DoneDeal is asking €13750.... again about the €13k mark is the real value of it from a dealer. There is a plain white one in Windsor motors for €16k!!!

    tedpan wrote: »
    There's a 24kw 172 in cork for 24k now
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The 24kW SVE was been sold on 172 plate for 20k at end of last year.

    You can forget those in relation to depreciation. That was an end of production model that they were offloading. Just because they sell a "few" of those at a very good price doesnt depress the rest of the market. It just means those people got a cracking deal. Thats normal, even in the ICE world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭thierry14


    Not a chance imo

    Prices will remain high

    Supply and demand is a one way street now and in the foreseeable future

    Mass produced long range EV’s are 5 years off

    It will be 2022-2023 before battery capacity starts to catch up to demand.

    1st gen EV's like eGolf/Ioniq/30kWh Leaf will be heading towards 10 years old and worthless anyway


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    thierry14 wrote: »
    Not a chance imo

    Prices will remain high

    Supply and demand is a one way street now and in the foreseeable future

    Mass produced long range EV’s are 5 years off

    It will be 2022-2023 before battery capacity starts to catch up to demand.

    1st gen EV's like eGolf/Ioniq/30kWh Leaf will be heading towards 10 years old and worthless anyway

    I hope that is correct.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭thierry14


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I hope that is correct.....

    I don't think it can go any other way unless battery factories start popping up everywhere

    They are 5 billion a time, doubt they will spend it.

    It will take years

    Sadly

    I want cheap EV's :(


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,800 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The 24kW SVE was been sold on 172 plate for 20k at end of last year.
    tedpan wrote: »
    Brand new?
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Yes, it was posted up here....I think it was Nissan Naas.....
    tedpan wrote: »
    There's nothing for that price on a 172 now, even second hand. Where was it posted?

    Yes, Nissan Naas.
    I seen the actual offer from them at the time. But I'd say it was a clearance sale with whatever was left in stock rather than a general price drop.

    I bought my 2014 SVE in Scotland over a year ago for €9,980 all in so im hoping I have a year or 2 free motoring with that before deciding whether to upgrade or continue on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    thierry14 wrote: »
    I don't think it can go any other way unless battery factories start popping up everywhere

    They are 5 billion a time, doubt they will spend it.

    It will take years

    Sadly

    I want cheap EV's :(

    If you talk to the car leasing companies you will have extremely cheap electric cars within the next 3 years second hand.

    I have tried since the budget to get them to quote for an electric car, this is one of the biggest leasing car companies in the World. Finally last year I got the answer I knew was coming. The current electric car range is too volitile, all the cars including the Leaf 2 have a new model in pipeline and because of this the current range will have too large a depreciation over the term of the contract(3 years)......

    The option given to me
    1. Get a diesel
    2. Get a hybrid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,225 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Most second hand EVs in the UK have negative depreciation at the moment. Don't worry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭thierry14


    unkel wrote: »
    Most second hand EVs in the UK have negative depreciation at the moment. Don't worry.

    If all manufacturers start doing below, Ev's will out last ICE

    https://insideevs.com/nissan-introduces-refabricated-batteries-for-older-leaf-in-japan-from-new-4r-plant/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    tedpan wrote: »
    There's nothing for that price on a 172 now, even second hand. Where was it posted?


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057781375

    Boom.....I knew I would find it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    unkel wrote: »
    Most second hand EVs in the UK have negative depreciation at the moment. Don't worry.

    I know I've asked this same question on more than 1 thread but I'm down to a decision between 2 cars - a 2016 & 2017 Leaf both Acenta's with 30kwh batteries and 6.6kw chargers and are exactly same spec except 2017 care has the chrome pack and 10,000 lower mileage less.

    Given the thinking / uncertainty on depreciation and new models being launched, etc. would people consider the 2017 is worth €1,500 more than the 2016?

    I'll put on my helmet now to deflect the abuse from people telling me to grow a pair and make up my own mind!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    creedp wrote: »
    I know I've asked this same question on more than 1 thread but I'm down to a decision between 2 cars - a 2016 & 2017 Leaf both Acenta's with 30kwh batteries and 6.6kw chargers and are exactly same spec except 2017 care has the chrome pack and 10,000 lower mileage less.

    Given the thinking / uncertainty on depreciation and new models being launched, etc. would people consider the 2017 is worth €1,500 more than the 2016?

    I'll put on my helmet now to deflect the abuse from people telling me to grow a pair and make up my own mind!

    How long do you plan on keeping car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How long do you plan on keeping car?

    Probably 3 to 4 years minimum and after that it depend on its residual value.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    I think the lower powered ones will, but they seem to hit a certain point after which depreciation stops. E.g. a 2011 Leaf costs the same now as it did 2 years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    I know I've asked this same question on more than 1 thread but I'm down to a decision between 2 cars - a 2016 & 2017 Leaf both Acenta's with 30kwh batteries and 6.6kw chargers and are exactly same spec except 2017 care has the chrome pack and 10,000 lower mileage less.

    Given the thinking / uncertainty on depreciation and new models being launched, etc. would people consider the 2017 is worth €1,500 more than the 2016?

    I'll put on my helmet now to deflect the abuse from people telling me to grow a pair and make up my own mind!
    creedp wrote: »
    Probably 3 to 4 years minimum and after that it depend on its residual value.

    I'd say a year newer is worth €1500 not alone from a depreciation perspective but you are also buying an extra years warranty. Since you are keeping it for 3-4yrs you will need that extra year as its only the battery is 8yrs... the rest is 3yrs (at least it is on the 2015's so I presume the 2016/2017 is the same).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭thierry14


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If you talk to the car leasing companies you will have extremely cheap electric cars within the next 3 years second hand.

    I have tried since the budget to get them to quote for an electric car, this is one of the biggest leasing car companies in the World. Finally last year I got the answer I knew was coming. The current electric car range is too volitile, all the cars including the Leaf 2 have a new model in pipeline and because of this the current range will have too large a depreciation over the term of the contract(3 years)......

    The option given to me
    1. Get a diesel
    2. Get a hybrid

    I don't think that means they are going to be the cheap

    The likes of Hertz etc just don't have a business model in place for EV's

    They can't quote something they have no clue about


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,225 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Lease / finance companies got stung with higher than expected depreciation on early Leafs. Now they've completely swung the other way with predicting high depreciation on other (newer) EVs and tbut that ain't gonna happen. Rather the opposite. Funny business!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    I'd say a year newer is worth €1500 not alone from a depreciation perspective but you are also buying an extra years warranty. Since you are keeping it for 3-4yrs you will need that extra year as its only the battery is 8yrs... the rest is 3yrs (at least it is on the 2015's so I presume the 2016/2017 is the same).

    That's my thinking on it too as in ICE terms €1,500 for a year younger car is good value. However, I'm still slightly bothered about shelling out €19.5k on a 2nd hand Leaf especially with new model (albeit with battery problems) already on sale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,225 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'm not convinced that a 2017, old model Leaf is good value at almost €20k

    Do you really, really need the 30kWh for range? A 2015 Leaf 24kWh for around €10k is a far better proposition in my book. Very little depreciation left for the next few years. Alternatively, keep an eye out for Ioniqs in the UK. There are some 2017 ones coming up now and then for £20k. Bring one in yourself for a bit over €23k and you are likely to see a lot less depreciation compared to a €20k Leaf 30kWh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    That's my thinking on it too as in ICE terms €1,500 for a year younger car is good value. However, I'm still slightly bothered about shelling out €19.5k on a 2nd hand Leaf especially with new model (albeit with battery problems) already on sale.

    Oh!! You didnt say it was €20k. Thats too high.

    The €1500 extra is worth it but its not worth €20k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    unkel wrote: »
    I'm not convinced that a 2017, old model Leaf is good value at almost €20k

    Do you really, really need the 30kWh for range? A 2015 Leaf 24kWh for around €10k is a far better proposition in my book. Very little depreciation left for the next few years. Alternatively, keep an eye out for Ioniqs in the UK. There are some 2017 ones coming up now and then for £20k. Bring one in yourself for a bit over €23k and you are likely to see a lot less depreciation compared to a €20k Leaf 30kWh

    The reason why I want a 30kwh car is my commute is 130km return with no work charging. I will also use it for extended weekend trips home (350kms) when travelling solo and under no time pressure. When travelling with family (4 kids) it will still be in smax and with a with door to door and no stop policy.

    I'd like an Ioniqs but unfortunately €24k is really pushing my finances too far given that I will also have to upgrade s-max in next year or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Tough corner for you! I see now that 30kWh Leaf’s are all £17k+ asking price and tbf you do need the 30kWh, not the 24kWh.

    Buying used Leafs is getting harder by the day.

    Can you wait and just bide your time for a bargain? Have the money ready to go at short notice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    Tough corner for you! I see now that 30kWh Leaf’s are all £17k+ asking price and tbf you do need the 30kWh, not the 24kWh.

    Buying used Leafs is getting harder by the day.

    Can you wait and just bide your time for a bargain? Have the money ready to go at short notice.

    My problem is that I'm too late taking the plunge. Should have bought one last year when I wasn't under pressure to have a 2nd car on the road. So it's either take plunge now with 30kwh car or buy a cheap diesel / hybrid and see what happens over the next year or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    My problem is that I'm too late taking the plunge. Should have bought one last year when I wasn't under pressure to have a 2nd car on the road. So it's either take plunge now with 30kwh car or buy a cheap diesel / hybrid and see what happens over the next year or so.

    There is an 30kWh Acenta on auto trader today for £16k (Red metallic with 3.3kW charger, 10k miles)
    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801243057485

    Still not cheap but if its more within your budget?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yes the black edition is good value. I've been avoiding private sales as I'm not confident buying privately in the UK especially for a relatively expensive car. I'll go back a few post and repeat ... I should grow a pair!!!

    thanks goz83!

    At the moment lm thinking of just going with a 2016 30kw Acenta with 6kw charger for £15.5k. A bit more that I want to go but I have the comfort of it being from a main dealer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    Yes the black edition is good value. I've been avoiding private sales as I'm not confident buying privately in the UK especially for a relatively expensive car. I'll go back a few post and repeat ... I should grow a pair!!!

    Since its still under manufacturers warranty I don't think you need to worry about the car failing on you. Nissan will have to fix it.

    The only thing you have to worry about in this case when buying privately is that you ensure its not stolen or crashed and you can pay a 3rd party to check that out before you travel.

    creedp wrote: »
    At the moment lm thinking of just going with a 2016 30kw Acenta with 6kw charger for £15.5k. A bit more that I want to go but I have the comfort of it being from a main dealer.

    Thats a good option too and it gives you the 6.6kW charger, which you seem intent on getting!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    Link fixed.

    I hear ya with private sales, but do your checks. You still have warranty on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    Since its still under manufacturers warranty I don't think you need to worry about the car failing on you. Nissan will have to fix it.

    The only thing you have to worry about in this case when buying privately is that you ensure its not stolen or crashed and you can pay a 3rd party to check that out before you travel.




    Thats a good option too and it gives you the 6.6kW charger, which you seem intent on getting!


    I hear both of you on the private sale / warranty issue and you're right of course!!

    I know some people consider the 6.6kw charger to be of little benefit if most of charging is done overnight at home. My thinking, as an EV novice with all that entails, is having the 6.6kw charger at least allows a faster top up on public AC chargers which would be handy if a fast DC charger is down or not available in certain locations which might offset any range anxiety concerns / inconvenience of being stuck somewhere with no ability to charge - maybe that comfort isn't worth much financially but as the main issue with EVs is ability to charge in the quickest manner possible I'd prefer to pay extra for that ability than a higher spec - flawed logic possibly!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    thierry14 wrote: »
    I don't think that means they are going to be the cheap

    The likes of Hertz etc just don't have a business model in place for EV's

    They can't quote something they have no clue about

    I don't think they will be cheap but my lease company certainly thinks they will.

    For a Leaf 2 the depreciation setting is that after 3 years the total value of the car is nearly €0 :p

    Now if I could lease for 3 years, then I have option to buy and they sell to me at €0 it might not work out too bad:P:P:P:P

    That has put an idea into my head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    creedp wrote: »
    I hear both of you on the private sale / warranty issue and you're right of course!!

    I know some people consider the 6.6kw charger to be of little benefit if most of charging is done overnight at home. My thinking, as an EV novice with all that entails, is having the 6.6kw charger at least allows a faster top up on public AC chargers which would be handy if a fast DC charger is down or not available in certain locations which might offset any range anxiety concerns / inconvenience of being stuck somewhere with no ability to charge - maybe that comfort isn't worth much financially but as the main issue with EVs is ability to charge in the quickest manner possible I'd prefer to pay extra for that ability than a higher spec - flawed logic possibly!

    The 6.6 is defintely preferable but adds a good thousand pounds to the price. I can’t say I have benefitted yet having the 6.6 and that’s a year of driving. Nice to have though.

    Here you go....if you don’t like wine colour....6.6

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201803174674880?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&model=LEAF&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=NISSAN&postcode=l10ab&aggregatedTrim=%2830kWh%29&page=1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    goz83 wrote: »
    The 6.6 is defintely preferable but adds a good thousand pounds to the price. I can’t say I have benefitted yet having the 6.6 and that’s a year of driving. Nice to have though.

    Here you go....if you don’t like wine colour....6.6

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201803174674880?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&model=LEAF&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=NISSAN&postcode=l10ab&aggregatedTrim=%2830kWh%29&page=1

    I agree it's an expensive option and maybe its foolish to be ignoring better priced and speced cars for the lack of it. A couple of weeks back there was a 2016 accenta 30kwh 3.3kw available for £13k and I'm kicking myself now I didn't jump at it!

    Your link is for a white accenta and when I checked AutoTrader again for the umpteenth time I couldn't see a wine 30kwh 6.6kw car. Will try again later when I get home


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    creedp wrote: »
    I agree it's an expensive option and maybe its foolish to be ignoring better priced and speced cars for the lack of it. A couple of weeks back there was a 2016 accenta 30kwh 3.3kw available for £13k and I'm kicking myself now I didn't jump at it!

    Your link is for a white accenta and when I checked AutoTrader again for the umpteenth time I couldn't see a wine 30kwh 6.6kw car. Will try again later when I get home

    A little off topic now

    Maybe it would be worth starting a thread to discuss


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    goz83 wrote: »
    The 6.6 is defintely preferable but adds a good thousand pounds to the price. I can’t say I have benefitted yet having the 6.6 and that’s a year of driving. Nice to have though.
    creedp wrote: »
    I agree it's an expensive option and maybe its foolish to be ignoring better priced and speced cars for the lack of it. A couple of weeks back there was a 2016 accenta 30kwh 3.3kw available for £13k and I'm kicking myself now I didn't jump at it!

    Your link is for a white accenta and when I checked AutoTrader again for the umpteenth time I couldn't see a wine 30kwh 6.6kw car. Will try again later when I get home


    For me the 6.6kW comes into its own when you regularly (at least once a week) come home on low battery and want to go back out again.

    From your posts you do a 130km commute, so in winter with spirited driving you could come home with low charge on a 30kWh car. If you have to do, say, another 20-30km that evening the 6.6kW will be very handy in that scenario. Charging at 3.3kW is quite slow and wont give you much in an hour. Anything longer than that and the evening is over! :)

    If you rarely get to low battery the 6.6kW isnt worth the premium.

    I have the 6.6kW and utilise it several times a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    Apologies for derailing thread Shedwedfan. Quick response to KCross and can then move to the general Leaf thread.

    This is the main reason I would like the 6.6kw charger. It make the car more flexible and not as dependent on FCPs for quick top ups.

    Back closer to topic while the 6.6kw charger is a costly option now it probably will be worth very little extra in a few years time so its more for convenience and piece of mind I would pay extra for it than for protecting future residuals


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    creedp wrote: »
    Apologies for derailing thread Shedwedfan. Quick response to KCross and can then move to the general Leaf thread.

    This is the main reason I would like the 6.6kw charger. It make the car more flexible and not as dependent on FCPs for quick top ups.

    Back closer to topic while the 6.6kw charger is a costly option now it probably will be worth very little extra in a few years time so its more for convenience and piece of mind I would pay extra for it than for protecting future residuals

    No worries, you might be able to get better advice on standalone thread. I know most people who are considering a new car will start a new thread....the Leaf is an option as well. Other electric cars available which are better and in your budget


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭creedp


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    No worries, you might be able to get better advice on standalone thread. I know most people who are considering a new car will start a new thread....the Leaf is an option as well. Other electric cars available which are better and in your budget

    Thanks. As a matter of interest what other electric cars do you have in mind?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,225 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If you need the range of the Leaf 30kWh and your budget is €15k, the only car that meets those criteria is the Leaf 30kWh :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    creedp wrote: »
    I agree it's an expensive option and maybe its foolish to be ignoring better priced and speced cars for the lack of it. A couple of weeks back there was a 2016 accenta 30kwh 3.3kw available for £13k and I'm kicking myself now I didn't jump at it!

    Your link is for a white accenta and when I checked AutoTrader again for the umpteenth time I couldn't see a wine 30kwh 6.6kw car. Will try again later when I get home

    There is no wine 6.6 Leaf. Kcross linked a 3.3 wine Leaf. The white one I linked is the 6.6. It doesn’t say so in the ad, but the photo of the dash guves it away with the two charge times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    unkel wrote: »
    If you need the range of the Leaf 30kWh and your budget is €15k, the only car that meets those criteria is the Leaf 30kWh :)

    1. As a mod I thought you might break it off into another thread
    2. The budget mentioned was 20k and the distance 130km. The Zoe is an option


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,225 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    1. As a mod I thought you might break it off into another thread

    I'm not a moderator of this forum. Cros13 is the dedicated moderator of this forum with back up support from all the Motors moderators. I'm not one of them either.
    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    2. The budget mentioned was 20k and the distance 130km. The Zoe is an option

    Zoe 41 for €20k might just be possible alright. Also it is just a few grand shy of Ioniq territory. I feel spending €20k on an old model Leaf would leave quite a bit of depreciation to come in the next year or two. I wouldn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    unkel wrote: »
    I'm not a moderator of this forum. Cros13 is the dedicated moderator of this forum with back up support from all the Motors moderators. I'm not one of them either.

    I apologize


    unkel wrote: »
    Zoe 41 for €20k might just be possible alright. Also it is just a few grand shy of Ioniq territory. I feel spending €20k on an old model Leaf would leave quite a bit of depreciation to come in the next year or two. I wouldn't.

    20k on a Leaf if madness to be honest. Especially as I posted they sold off the 24kWh for 20k new.....

    The reason I ask for dedicated thread is we dont know a lot of information from the poster. Like is it motorway etc. I know when I was looking at electric and started a thread I got a huge amount of information....then forgot it all and bought the eGolf:p


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