So Brexit = Irish Independece? Apparently!

banie01

So Tom Holland tweeted the following
https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/977858605088206848?s=19
in reply to
https://twitter.com/josefoshea/status/977231433826697218?s=19

I'm shocked that a "Historian" has such limited grasp of History!
To assume Irish independence was merely our renunciation of the act of Union and taking back our sovereignty!
That implies that the Act of Union was something the Irish entered into willingly,
That we were not an occupied and exploited colony, that we suffered no downside to our enforced Union and that our choice to inflict the economic harm resulting from Independence is akin to Brexiteers spouting unresearched ****e!
Empire was built on the back of Irish labour and soldiery, but outside of the Hiberno-English landlord class very little of Ireland ever saw the economic benefits or had any input in its direction!
Comparing that to the UK exiting a freely entered into economic union, based on a vote that was driven by lies and misdirection on both sides is in poor taste at the least.

suicide_circus

NI public service employs 218,889 people (12% of the population). In the republic it's 6.4%.

Charles Babbage

If Brexit = 1916 then perhaps the EU will take Boris, Gove, Davis et al and shoot them.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

NI public service employs 218,889 people (12% of the population). In the republic it's 6.4%.

That's part of the peace dividend, many of those civil servants are doing work for the UK mainland, this means that some jobs in England have been transferred to Belfast.
Plus the duplications in services in some of the towns where loyalists and republicans don't cross into the other's territory.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

Plus the duplications in services in some of the towns where loyalists and republicans don't cross into the other's territory.

That sounds healthy

banie01

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If Brexit = 1916 then perhaps the EU will take Boris, Gove, Davis et al and shoot them.

The last thing Brexit needs is Martyrs.
That said, how the leave campaign was left spout such BS with nary a decent counterpoint or objection is beyond me.
I know a few people working for MNCs who campaigned for leave and are now shocked that if market access is tariffed, they may lose their jobs!

riffmongous

I saw this on facebook and thought it was brilliant



link to OC

RandomName2

I'm finding it hard to get worked up about this.

NNNNNNGGGgggghh.

Nope. Nothing.

Del2005

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Plus the duplications in services in some of the towns where loyalists and republicans don't cross into the other's territory.

We have that without the sectarian issues. A dozen health boards disbanded to form the HSE and no redundancies so we have multiple duplications in Health and I'm sure that the other departments are as bad.

Your Face

We won.
We have our Republic.
Let's concentrate on making it better.

Hande hoche!

Was curious as to whether this would be the actor or the historian.

The Rape of Lucretia

We the 26 did bloody well out of being part of Great Britain and Ireland, and in many respects, overwhelmingly really, it is a pity that we left. Only to Little Irelanders does it seem in retrospect as a positive step.

The mockery of the UK for Brexiting is rich in the extreme. Ireland, you played that very same role for centuries, of being the reluctant member of the club, despite the gains it brought, and always dreaming of being better off on your own despite being only a small fraction of the whole, and insignificant in a global sense. 'Economic War' anyone ?

Yet now laugh at the 'dim', 'parochial', 'dreaming', English in an analagous situation. Turn the mirror a little.

And, for further irony, had the 26 stayed in the UK, it is likely the Brexit vote would have swung to Remain. Ah well. Losers all round really.

endacl

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

We the 26 did bloody well out of being part of Great Britain and Ireland, and in many respects, overwhelmingly really, it is a pity that we left. Only to Little Irelanders does it seem in retrospect as a positive step.

The mockery of the UK for Brexiting is rich in the extreme. Ireland, you played that very same role for centuries, of being the reluctant member of the club, despite the gains it brought, and always dreaming of being better off on your own despite being only a small fraction of the whole, and insignificant in a global sense. 'Economic War' anyone ?

Yet now laugh at the 'dim', 'parochial', 'dreaming', English in an analagous situation. Turn the mirror a little.

And, for further irony, had the 26 stayed in the UK, it is likely the Brexit vote would have swung to Remain. Ah well. Losers all round really.

When we were given the opportunity to join a good club, we did. And everybody benefitted.

riffmongous

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

We the 26 did bloody well out of being part of Great Britain and Ireland, and in many respects, overwhelmingly really, it is a pity that we left. Only to Little Irelanders does it seem in retrospect as a positive step.

The mockery of the UK for Brexiting is rich in the extreme. Ireland, you played that very same role for centuries, of being the reluctant member of the club, despite the gains it brought, and always dreaming of being better off on your own despite being only a small fraction of the whole, and insignificant in a global sense. 'Economic War' anyone ?

Yet now laugh at the 'dim', 'parochial', 'dreaming', English in an analagous situation. Turn the mirror a little.

And, for further irony, had the 26 stayed in the UK, it is likely the Brexit vote would have swung to Remain. Ah well. Losers all round really.

And they say Republicans are salty, they have nothing on the West Brits!

greencap

Certain people, with hair, in this thread seem content to make equivalencies based on nothing but the most tenuous similarities.

Then again, we all know who had hair too, don't we. Yes, thats right. Hitler. He literally also had hair. So no real surprise there.

Fann Linn

Even if we're independent. Can we still buy our cheap diesels in Britain?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Irish were willing participants in many areas. Read about India and how the British Army had to reprimand the Irish Reg on multiple occasions for dishonourable behaviour.

We are not whiter than white by no means. With the same resources we would have conquered like our neighbours and would have probably been more brutal.

Charles Babbage

Your Face wrote: »

We won.
We have our Republic.
Let's concentrate on making it better.

We have three quarters of it.

Del2005

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Irish were willing participants in many areas. Read about India and how the British Army had to reprimand the Irish Reg on multiple occasions for dishonourable behaviour.

We are not whiter than white by no means. With the same resources we would have conquered like our neighbours and would have probably been more brutal.

If you have no option but to starve or join an occupying army most people choose the least worse option.

The Irish regiments would have learned how to treat the locals from how they were treated by the British regiments at home. The British army was racist so would reprimand the Irish before a English reg.