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N11 - Booterstown Avenue - Right of way

  • 24-03-2018 8:39am
    #1
    martyoo
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    Here's one I have been unsure about for a while.

    As you are coming up the N11 towards the city you pass an Applegreen on the right, then there is a turn right down onto the Booterstown Avenue. When the signal light is green to turn right a lot of motorists perform a uturn to go back down the N11. The traffic coming up from Booterstown Avenue have a flashing amber to turn left onto the N11.

    I have seen a few close ones here as sometimes both parties seem to think they have the right of way. My guess was the traffic turning right should only be turning right as that's what the signal indicates.


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  • #2
    antodeco
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    My thoughts on this have always been that those doing a u-turn need to yield. It would make more sense for this to be a merge style scenario. Whilst those doing the u-turn are on the "major road", they are going against the proposed direcrion of traffic, by not actually turning right.


  • #3
    towger
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    I think flashing amber is the equivalent of yield right of way, which means the u-turner has the right of way .... whether u turns are actually allowed or not at that junction is another story, I don’t know specifically.


  • #4
    coylemj
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    The council had a choice of solid green or flashing amber for the left turn light from Booterstown Ave. onto the southbound N11 and the fact that the left arrow is flashing amber and not solid green would tend to indicate to me that the U-turners on the N11 have the right of way as they have a solid green arrow and there is no sign forbidding a U-turn.

    https://goo.gl/maps/Ek8FrkU6j6n

    Unusually (for a traffic light controlled junction), there is also a 'Yield' sign at the top of Booterstown Ave., that should remove any doubt in the matter.....

    https://goo.gl/maps/pRC7TmVAXsM2


  • #5
    Tiercel Dave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Tiercel Dave


    And there's a 'Yield' sign after the lights.....

    https://goo.gl/maps/rvGjbBvJcTQ2


  • #6
    martyoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 872 ✭✭✭martyoo


    Tiercel Dave wrote: »
    And there's a 'Yield' sign after the lights.....

    https://goo.gl/maps/rvGjbBvJcTQ2

    That answers that! I am actually embarrassed to say I've never noticed the yield sign and I drive in that area regularly.


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  • #7
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    In Ireland U turns are not generally allowed, unlike the USA, so the U turning driver is always at fault.

    "Performing U-turn on dual-carriageway or other road with central reserve or traffic island where no U-turn sign provided" is a fixed charge offence, but of course is never enforced.

    There is a problem generally in these parts because of the Applegreen and the hotel and how to get to these. They need to provide some means of turning other than going to the Belfield flyover, or at least signpost things somehow.


  • #8
    coylemj
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    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    In Ireland U turns are not generally allowed, unlike the USA, so the U turning driver is always at fault.

    Would you care to explain then why the left-turning traffic at the top of Booterstown Ave. have a flashing amber light and a static 'Yield' sign in front of them?

    Who are they required to yield to if inbound traffic on the N11 can't do a legal U-turn?


  • #9
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    In Ireland U turns are not generally allowed, unlike the USA, so the U turning driver is always at fault.

    "Performing U-turn on dual-carriageway or other road with central reserve or traffic island where no U-turn sign provided" is a fixed charge offence, but of course is never enforced.

    There is a problem generally in these parts because of the Applegreen and the hotel and how to get to these. They need to provide some means of turning other than going to the Belfield flyover, or at least signpost things somehow.

    What is the no U turn sign for then???

    I guess that offence relates to performing U turn when "no U Turn" sign is present, which makes a difference.


  • #10
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    wonski wrote: »
    What is the no U turn sign for then???

    I guess that offence relates to performing U turn when "no U Turn" sign is present, which makes a difference.

    Actually, I 'd like to withdraw my statement as I am not clear on this matter,
    There is some ambigiuity if a right arrow light can be used for a U turn.
    this was discussed before
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057218024


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