Cow off food???

satstheway

Cow calved paddy's day. Twins not difficult.
Not ate anything in since.

She has had calcium.
antibiotics.
Pain killers.
Wash out and different antibiotics.
Rumin boost.
Life aid.
Calf electrolytes.
Temp is normal.
Not dehydrated.
Heart strong.
Stomach seams OK.
She gets up herself and changes lying side.
Won't eat silage, hay takes 1 mouthful of grass and stops and maybe 2 mouthfuls a of dairy nuts then no more all day.
Tried her in field yesterday and about 30 seconds eating grass.
Vet says not to be to optimistic about her.

She looks OK just hanging head and drooping ears.
Oh and she ate a mouthful of ivy.

Anyone else have any ideas or old remedies that that work

trixi2011

Have one similar here at the moment gave her coffee and glycol might be worth getting her stomach checked again could possibly be displaced

satstheway

trixi2011 wrote: »

Have one similar here at the moment gave her coffee and glycol might be worth getting her stomach checked again could possibly be displaced

That's what I thought but vet checked today.
How much coffee will be and glycol.
And what do they do?
Thanks

Mooooo

I'd say a guaranteed displacement esp with twins

tanko

Hardly mastitis?

Say my name

I wonder did she tear the inside of her womb?

Only saying it because I lost a heifer that had a dead calf. Vet took the calf out but damaged the womb in getting it out. Said she had a tear the size of two fingers in her womb and the poison from the calf would kill her in a few hours. So vet put her to sleep.

satstheway

tanko wrote: »

Hardly mastitis?

Definitely not.
But she was a bit dirty inside.

Morris Moss

Yep sounds like displaced stomach, she could have pertenitas as well, I'm surprised the vet isn't doing anything

trixi2011

Just mixed a full jar of coffee 200mls of glycol and some warm water and bottled it into her that's was 2 days ago haven't seen a massive improvement yet but seem to be picking a bit more

satstheway

trixi2011 wrote: »

Just mixed a full jar of coffee 200mls of glycol and some warm water and bottled it into her that's was 2 days ago haven't seen a massive improvement yet but seem to be picking a bit more

What is glycol?

Where can I get it?

trixi2011

It's a type of like syup got load of energy in it vet gave me a drum of it

greysides

satstheway wrote: »

What is glycol?

Where can I get it?

Glycerine, try CoOp stores.

High bike

If she won’t eat ivy it’s not good I’d be getting another vet to check her

satstheway

High bike wrote: »

If she won’t eat ivy it’s not good I’d be getting another vet to check her

Unfortunately the way vets charge around the here the cows would need vhi.
The last 3 callouts I have had have cost me exactly 320 euro Just for examinations and drugs.
And its looking like 1 out of the 3 cows are going to survive.

But yes I Agree I think another way vet tomorrow.

Any point rolling in the her to the right??

White Clover

What's her dung like?

whelan2

Would she nibble at calf crunch or drink milk?

Oasis1974

White Clover wrote: »

What's her dung like?

Smelly I expect?

satstheway

White Clover wrote: »

What's her dung like?

Oh laughed a at this question when I read it out!

It was a bit greener and watery for a short time back to more normal brownish. Not very hard. And not much today.

satstheway

whelan2 wrote: »

Would she nibble at calf crunch or drink milk?

Won't touch crunch. Never tried milk.

The man in red and black

Just get same vet back out. Not every cow is cured in one vist, most practices charge less for a revisit. As mentioned in another thread on similar cow displacements are not always apparent if the gas is moving. May spot tomorrow what was not obvious today. Make sure vet can access both sides of the cow to listen for gas. If cows left side is against a wall in the crush can be impossible to listen to it and percuss(flick) to hear gas

I presume this is a dairy cow yeah?

greysides

If she was sick straight after calving I'd expect it to be related to that. Displaced stomachs 'usually' take 2-3 days to manifest themselves.

satstheway

The man in red and black wrote: »

Just get same vet back out. Not every cow is cured in one vist, most practices charge less for a revisit. As mentioned in another thread on similar cow displacements are not always apparent if the gas is moving. May spot tomorrow what was not obvious today. Make sure vet can access both sides of the cow to listen for gas. If cows left side is against a wall in the crush can be impossible to listen to it and percuss(flick) to hear gas

I presume this is a dairy cow yeah?

4 year old dairy cow.
He was flicking and away at the sides.
I pushed him on the LDA and but he said it OK.
Calving was 2 easy for any feet through calf bed or anything I Think.
I might try it tomorrow with stephoscope myself. But it has been years since a vet showed me the destinct ping noise.

satstheway

On a side note is 70euro a steep call-out fee?

greysides

If you're near Dubin, then a referral to the Vet College is a possibility.

tanko

satstheway wrote: »

On a side note is 70euro a steep call-out fee?

What time of day was it? Was it a sunday or bank holiday?

satstheway

tanko wrote: »

What time of day was it? Was it a sunday or bank holiday?

Normal day 9-5 standard 70 with this company it used to be 50

whelan2

Twins are a curse. They ruin the cow

satstheway

So a update.
Second vet found an quite obvious tear inside on the bottom.
Stomach all seams good and happy with the (little) dung.
He has given her strong antiinflammatory injection and is coming back to see if any improvement.
If there is he will try to fix it.
In no improvement then its curtains.

Donegalforever

satstheway wrote: »

On a side note is 70euro a steep call-out fee?

€50 plus VAT is what my veterinary practice usually charge, (unless a caesarean section has to take place).

whelan2

Hows the cow doing?

The man in red and black

satstheway wrote: »

On a side note is 70euro a steep call-out fee?

Were the drugs included in that? Our practice used to lump everything under the one heading of call out so it might have occasionally looked dear but included all the drugs. Every practice has a different way of billing. Can be hard to figure it out at times unfortunately!

Base price

The man in red and black wrote: »

Were the drugs included in that? Our practice used to lump everything under the one heading of call out so it might have occasionally looked dear but included all the drugs. Every practice has a different way of billing. Can be hard to figure it out at times unfortunately!

Does your practice not include the prescription number with associated tag numbers and itemised meds as part of the bill. Our Vet does and it makes it easier to reconcile the bill vis a vie the meds register.

The man in red and black

Base price wrote: »

Does your practice not include the prescription number with associated tag numbers and itemised meds as part of the bill. Our Vet does and it makes it easier to reconcile the bill vis a vie the meds register.

Yeah but the prices of the drugs were all put as zero and the call overall billed. So if the drugs were expensive you probably had a 20e call out fee but if you just looked at the invoice it might say "call out 80e". Not the best way of doing it IMO and luckily changing.

satstheway

The man in red and black wrote: »

Were the drugs included in that? Our practice used to lump everything under the one heading of call out so it might have occasionally looked dear but included all the drugs. Every practice has a different way of billing. Can be hard to figure it out at times unfortunately!

No call out now standard here at €70.
Drugs extra.
Prices like this are putting animal welfare at serious risk. Ppl with sheep or calves thinking twice or leaving it till it's too late.

satstheway

whelan2 wrote: »

Hows the cow doing?

She was off food until monday (9 days) then looked alot brighter let her out for a couple of hours and she ate grass and some meal.
Then yesterday she ate nothing and as I was checking on her she just let a muffled baw stretched out and died straight away (heart)
She had been standing 2 hrs earlier but looked dull.
2nd vet had been out multiple times but she was just too far gone b4 started treating her.

The man in red and black

satstheway wrote: »

No call out now standard here at €70.
Drugs extra.
Prices like this are putting animal welfare at serious risk. Ppl with sheep or calves thinking twice or leaving it till it's too late.

Welfare and prices is always a tricky one. I've worked in UK and Canada and both were about 2-3 times the price of vet prices here. Animals were still seen. The difference is not every animal was treated(They were euthanised by injection or shot, not left to die btw). I was sometimes called to examine dairy cows to give the odds of recovery and cost of drugs required. Chances are 30%, drugs will be 250 dollars, 6 year old cow, euthanasia. Chances are 50/50, drugs will be 250 dollars, 3 year old cow, treated. You get the jist, no welfare issue with that as animal was seen by a vet right away.

It's not a popular opinion and not all will agree but I don't think a friesian bull calf should be getting a whole pile of money spent on him. If they are very sick it is more economical to put them to sleep than pay a vet. That's not cruelty btw, humane euthanasia in the face of severe illness is valid. I'm not saying don't treat them at all, obviously look after them as normal! Just if they are very bad euthanasia rather than spend 100e on them and most importantly don't let them suffer.