Diesel cars

FUTY2211

In light of Toyota's decision to stop producing diesel cars, what is the sentiment of everyone on here? Are many people on here looking to avoid diesels now and revert back to petrol?

I have a feeling that the backlash isn't going to be as severe as people are imagining...looking at the new tax bands implemented in the UK for diesels they don't seem all that extreme. Surely the government can't start penalising consumers for owning/driving cars they were encouraged to buy in the first place?

colm_mcm

Toyota are in the position of being a meanstream seller of hybrids for around 14 years and a mass producer of them for over 20 years. Hybrid always fitted into their long term plans. The only diesel (car) engine they sell here that they actually build themselves is the 1.4 D-4D which launched 16 years ago. They stopped selling their own 2.0 and 2.2 engines a few years back in favour of BMW sourced units as they stopped investing in diesel in favour of hybrid petrols.

There is very little chance that the Irish government would implement retrospective penalties on existing users of diesel cars. They can discourage sales by making other vehicles more attractive (they already subsidise electric cars for example) or by increasing taxes on new cars, but diesel represents so much of our national fleet that any mass punishment of the masses would be political suicide.

Doltanian

Diesel cars are a good fit for those commuting and those in rural Ireland who routinely drive faster roads and Air pollution is a non-issue here as we nearly always have the prevailing westerly wind to just blow it away. New Diesels are incredibly clean to the detriment of their reliability really.

Ubbquittious

Ah sure jaysis you can't bate the daysul boi.

There's a 405 on donedeal tempting me ever so slightly. A car-shaped space in a shed is no good, might as well be filled with a car

Tuco88

The worst thing you could do is go panic buying or selling. Its a long term plan, carry on as you normally do and look at the options for your driving whrn it comes ie... hybrid/elec...

colm_mcm

Tuco88 wrote: »

The worst thing you could do is go panic buying or selling. Its a long term plan, carry on as you normally do and look at the options for your driving whrn it comes ie... hybrid/elec...

Yep, the whole house of cards depends on inertia, happily egged on by the government.

Frankie Lee

Was in England last week and noticed petrol was 4p a litre cheaper than diesel over there. At that price diesel should be dead soon enough there. Here it will take another few years.

kirving

FUTY2211 wrote: »

In light of Toyota's decision to stop producing diesel cars, what is the sentiment of everyone on here?

As someone said on here - Toyota couldn't produce reliable, poweful diesel engines that would meet emissions standards. Turns out, everyone else was cheating. In a country where honour and shame are a key part of the culture (to my knowledge) it's no surprise that they didn't choose to cheat.

bazz26

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Was in England last week and noticed petrol was 4p a litre cheaper than diesel over there. At that price diesel should be dead soon enough there. Here it will take another few years.

Petrol has been cheaper than diesel in the UK for quite a number of years now.

testicles

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Colonel Claptrap

I'm not overly concerned on the diesel/polution issue.

However, this morning I watched a cyclist pull up behind a Dublin bus and take a breather. The cyclist wiped his brow, the bus took off and the cyclist inhaled a gasp of air and set off behind the bus. There was a sizable plume of blue smoke.

The image has stuck with me all day.

Widdensushi

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I'm not overly concerned on the diesel/polution issue.

However, this morning I watched a cyclist pull up behind a Dublin bus and take a breather. The cyclist wiped his brow, the bus took off and the cyclist inhaled a gasp of air and set off behind the bus. There was a sizable plume of blue smoke.

The image has stuck with me all day.

It's a bit extreme to try and ban cycling though

Lord Glentoran

testicles wrote: »

That ain't anything new, been that way for several years

Diesel has been dearer than petrol in the U.K. as long as I can remember, and that's back to the seventies.

Anjobe

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

Diesel has been dearer than petrol in the U.K. as long as I can remember, and that's back to the seventies.

Since unleaded petrol came in - the UK gov reduced duty on unleaded petrol as an incentive to get people to have existing cars that ran on leaded fuel converted.

_Brian

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Was in England last week and noticed petrol was 4p a litre cheaper than diesel over there. At that price diesel should be dead soon enough there. Here it will take another few years.

4p a litre wouldn’t come close to equaling out the cost of your doing 40-50k km a year.
Diesel will be the vehicle of choice for long distance drivers for a while to come.

The focus needs to be on getting people who don’t need diesel out of them, and incentives rather than trashing diesel prices is the best way.

Leonard Hofstadter

If anything, the diesel premium has gotten smaller over the years, I remember when I first moved to the UK it was more like 10p a litre and before I left at Christmas it was down to as little as 2p a litre extra, for it to have gone back to 4p a litre extra means it's gotten a little more expensive again.

josip

To answer the OP, I wouldn't buy a (new) diesel now, but I'm happy that we already own one and intend keeping it for another 5-7 years.

SBPhoto

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Was in England last week and noticed petrol was 4p a litre cheaper than diesel over there. At that price diesel should be dead soon enough there. Here it will take another few years.

I was in England 10yrs ago and Diesel was dearer than petrol then, didnt effect the sale of diesels though,

Brian?

Doltanian wrote: »

Diesel cars are a good fit for those commuting and those in rural Ireland who routinely drive faster roads and Air pollution is a non-issue here as we nearly always have the prevailing westerly wind to just blow it away. New Diesels are incredibly clean to the detriment of their reliability really.

Modern diesels aren’t “incredibly clean”. They’re cleaner than old diesels. Europeon manufacturers are cheating the emissions tests. Simple as that.

The future is petroleum hybrid. Then electric. Toyota, Lexus(yes I know, Toyota) and Honda are producing fantastic hybrids for a while now. The new Volvo hybrids sound like the business, I’m looking forward to driving one.

If I was buying a new car, I’d go with the IS250h. 2nd hand, I’ll be looking at a hybrid Lexus GS next.

Brian?

_Brian wrote: »

4p a litre wouldn’t come close to equaling out the cost of your doing 40-50k km a year.
Diesel will be the vehicle of choice for long distance drivers for a while to come.

The focus needs to be on getting people who don’t need diesel out of them, and incentives rather than trashing diesel prices is the best way.

100% agree. The amount of 1.4D cars I see every day doing school runs is ridiculous. It’s destroying the cars and the air quality around towns. Diesels should be used for high mileage. The low tax on diesel almost wiped out the small petrol market.

Caliden

I don't see diesels going anywhere for the next 10 years anyway.

Manufacturers will stop producing them and hybrids will become the norm but there will always be a place for diesels.
If you're using one to drive into the city centre every day you will probably have issues in the next couple of years if the Government introduce charges similar to London.

reubenreuben

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Was in England last week and noticed petrol was 4p a litre cheaper than diesel over there. At that price diesel should be dead soon enough there. Here it will take another few years.

Diesel used to be cheaper there about 10 years ago. Its taxes on it that were changed and not because of emissions or political pressure