AI (Artificial Intelligence) Kills Human

old_aussie

Hmmm, never a fan of AI.

A Uber selfdriving car has killed a human.

I bet this sets back self driving cars a few years.

As a percentage, AI now probable has a higher driving kill rate than humans.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/uber-suspends-self-driving-car-tests-after-fatal-crash/9565586

Volvo = Safety,, yeah right!

gmisk

Skynet!!!!

Ipso

It's not artificial intelligence, just faster decision making intelligence.

riffmongous

Going to need a bit more info before making any conclusions about the safety of the AI cars.

This isn't a lot to go on

In a statement, local police said Ms Herzberg was "walking outside of the crosswalk, crossed the road from west to east, when she was struck by the Uber vehicle".

Ninthlife

AI-ism

AI-ist

screamer

Human intelligence or lack thereof has killed many millions of humans....... Don't see the difference TBH

RacoonQueen

That is a terribly written article. Elsewhere is says she was a cyclist.

Phoebas

There was a human driver in charge of that car.

Donald Trump

Artificial Insemination?

I heard about the fella kicked to death by a cow and thought it was just a case of AI gone wrong.

But then I heard he was from Offaly and it was more a case of unrequited love

The high horse brigade

We need more info. There have been several cases where Tesla autopilot has predicted accidents and taken measures.

https://youtu.be/_Kti-9qsLpc

Franz Von Peppercorn

screamer wrote: »

Human intelligence or lack thereof has killed many millions of humans....... Don't see the difference TBH

This wasn’t human. That’s one difference.

JeffKenna

Never trust robots!

murpho999

1 person killed by autonomous car that is in test and has not yet been perfected.

1.25 million people a year die every year due to cars driven by people.

That's one person every 25 seconds.

Who should you be more afraid of?

Also, autonomous vehicle are not AI but a system. There's a difference.

Ipso

Of course the big question is, who gets sued?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Uber are clowns. There’s no way their software is safe.

There’s a huge hint of Utopianism regarding self driving cars anyway.

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

1 person killed by autonomous car that is in test and has not yet been perfected.

1.25 million people a year die every year due to cars driven by people.

That's one person every 25 seconds.

Who should you be more afraid of?

Also, autonomous vehicle are not AI but a system. There's a difference.

I think we’d need to know the number of car miles driven by human operated cars vs autonomous or semi autonomous vechicles.

PowerToWait

old_aussie wrote: »

Hmmm, never a fan of AI.



As a percentage, AI now probable has a higher driving kill rate than humans.
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Just nonsense.

screamer

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

screamer wrote: »

Human intelligence or lack thereof has killed many millions of humans....... Don't see the difference TBH

This wasn’t human. That’s one difference.

It's still intelligence or lack thereof. If human intelligence were perfect then yep I'd have an issue with AI.... But human intelligence is varied and flawed just as much. Oh and btw the car was in auto pilot there was a human operator there too.... So one wonders whether the artificial or human intelligence is flawed here.....

KERSPLAT!

Hyperbole much.

drillyeye

Facebook, google, Microsoft, uber, airbnb, snapchat, twitter et al,

they are only concerned with making billions of euros for themselves at the expense of millions upon millions of people being ultimately left destitute. "Disruption" as they like to call it.

The day is fast coming where these tech companies will be seen for the charlatans they really are.

"AI" is no different. You're being sold bull****, and most people keep lapping it up like theres no tomorrow (ironically)

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ipso wrote: »

Of course the big question is, who gets sued?

Uber.

Not a big question. In fact the culpability of manufacturers for fully autonomous cars makes me believe we will never see them.

murpho999

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

This wasn’t human. That’s one difference.

There was a human who was ultimately was in charge of the vehicle.

Victim was crossing the road in a non-pedestrian crossing zone so it's likely that the victim stepped out in front of the vehicle and the autonomous drive system or person in charge of the vehicle did not have time to react.

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

There was a human who was ultimately was in charge of the vehicle.

That’s a copout. If autonomous cars hand back driving to humans every time there’s an issue then they are useless

Victim was crossing the road in a non-pedestrian crossing zone so it's likely that the victim stepped out in front of the vehicle and the autonomous drive system or person in charge of the vehicle did not have time to react.

That’s a hell of a conclusion from what little we know.

murpho999

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I think we’d need to know the number of car miles driven by human operated cars vs autonomous or semi autonomous vechicles.

Why?

It's very clear that cars driven by people are dangerous.

Computers control many things in the world. There's no reason why they will not be able to drive a car safer than people.

Avatar MIA

I don't think anyone is claiming infallible intelligence. Will people get killed by auto driven cars, yes. This was always going to happen.

But, will there be less overall than cars driven by humans, humans that have a habit of checking out while driving their facebook status to see if their latest witty repost got a like.

murpho999

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s a copout. If autonomous cars hand back driving to humans every time there’s an issue then they are useless

It's not a cop-out but a fact.

These systems are all at a very early stage and in test/beta mode and therefore can only operate with a human as back-up.
That will change when in the future when fully developed and they go mainstream.

That’s a hell of a conclusion from what little we know.

Not really. It's already known that the person crossed the road where it is not a designated crossing area.
That is jaywalking and always risky.

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

Why?

To compare statistics properly.

It's very clear that cars driven by people are dangerous.

This isn’t proof that cars driven by AI aren’t.

Computers control many things in the world. There's no reason why they will not be able to drive a car safer than people.

There is. Computers are good with fast numerical processing, retrieving data etc. They’ve been limited up to now in pattern recognition and learning and in basically doing anything beyond their programming. Therefore you are really saying that the Uber software team have coded everything that could ever be anticipated by a car.

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not a cop-out but a fact.

These systems are all at a very early stage and in test/beta mode and therefore can only operate with a human as back-up.
That will change when in the future when fully developed and they go mainstream.

The first statement is incorrect and the second is presuming the conclusion.

Not really. It's already known that the person crossed the road where it is not a designated crossing area.
That is jaywalking and always risky.

It’s not jaywalking outside the city, or a certain distance from the lights. I mean people cross roads all the time, assuming that this was directly in front of the vechicle is an assumption too far.

Mellor

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s a copout. If autonomous cars hand back driving to humans every time there’s an issue then they are useless

That's not how it works. The autonomous computer reacts to issues as they arise. It doesn't "hand back" to a human. The human is there because of regulations regarding testing these systems. Basically at any time the human can takeover control from the car. It's basically the equivalent of a driver instructor with dual pedals.


Way more information is needed. Self drive cars can make better and faster decisions but they are still bound by the same laws of physics. If a car is travelling 40km/h, they still have the same stopping distance after reaction. If somebody steps out in front of the car within that zone, they could be hit.

kneemos

Ipso wrote: »

Of course the big question is, who gets sued?

Insurance pays and the public pays the insurer,so technically...