Fertilizer Advice On Old Pasture

CHOPS01

If we get a break in the weather in the next 10 days or so i need to get some fertilizer out so looking for a bit of advice.
In the absence of soil sampling what would lads recommend to put out on old pasture? Last 2 years just went with Pasture Sward where i felt it was needed.Stocking rate was a little low last year so ended up left with a butt of grass on most fields. Hope to have stock out and cattle bought in for mid April.
Am happy how the cattle went last year as thrive wasn't a problem. Should i go the same route again ?
Thanks

I says

CHOPS01 wrote: »

If we get a break in the weather in the next 10 days or so i need to get some fertilizer out so looking for a bit of advice.
In the absence of soil sampling what would lads recommend to put out on old pasture? Last 2 years just went with Pasture Sward where i felt it was needed.Stocking rate was a little low last year so ended up left with a butt of grass on most fields. Hope to have stock out and cattle bought in for mid April.
Am happy how the cattle went last year as thrive wasn't a problem. Should i go the same route again ?
Thanks

Lime might be no bad thing for it.
Can you take silage off it?
If ya can try half a bag of urea to acre,and 4 bags of 18-6-12.
If just grazing it go with 2 and a half bags of 18-6-12.

CHOPS01

I says wrote: »

Lime might be no bad thing for it.
Can you take silage off it?
If ya can try half a bag of urea to acre,and 4 bags of 18-6-12.
If just grazing it go with 2 and a half bags of 18-6-12.

Mostly for grazing. Would you go the whole lot in one go or stagger the application

I says

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Mostly for grazing. Would you go the whole lot in one go or stagger the application

I normally put it all out at start of grazing season

Green farmer

Putting out pasture sward in spring and 18 6 12 later in summer , to avoid grass tenany associated with too much K in fertiliser.

kk.man

I says wrote: »

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Mostly for grazing. Would you go the whole lot in one go or stagger the application

I normally put it all out at start of grazing season

Putting it in one go you would need to be heavy stocked and have suitable paddocks.
If you have a low stock rate you could get in trouble when growth takes off.

charolais0153

I says wrote: »

Lime might be no bad thing for it.
Can you take silage off it?
If ya can try half a bag of urea to acre,and 4 bags of 18-6-12.
If just grazing it go with 2 and a half bags of 18-6-12.

95 units of N is too much imo especially on old pasture. 4 bags of 18-6-12 would be grand

I says

charolais0153 wrote: »

95 units of N is too much imo especially on old pasture. 4 bags of 18-6-12 would be grand

Drives it on for silage

TPF2012

charolais0153 wrote:

95 units of N is too much imo especially on old pasture. 4 bags of 18-6-12 would be grand

Old pasture won't utilise as much N as a newer sward. 80 units of N is max recommended for old swards.

_Brian

We find 18-6-12 good for old pasture. Particularly land that can’t get access from slurry tank or dung.
Continuing to use high N products just spins out the ground and you’ve nothing after a few years.

On grazing ground I’d rather go with 2 bags/acre twice during the season rather than 4 all at once.

CHOPS01

kk.man wrote: »

Putting it in one go you would need to be heavy stocked and have suitable paddocks.
If you have a low stock rate you could get in trouble when growth takes off.

Thats what i qould be worried about.

wrangler

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Thats what i qould be worried about.

How many cattle are you feeding per acre and what size are they, ie if you've only one 400kg bullock to the acre you'll need very little fertiliser whereas if you're carrying two 400kg bullocks to the acre you'll need the sort of rates referred to here.
Putting fertiliser out to make the grass grow wild is a waste of money

CHOPS01

I says wrote: »

Drives it on for silage

If i went 18.6.12 on silage ground would it want anything else after being closed

CHOPS01

wrangler wrote: »

How many cattle are you feeding per acre and what size are they, ie if you've only one 400kg bullock to the acre you'll need very little fertiliser whereas if you're carrying two 400kg bullocks to the acre you'll need the sort of rates referred to here.
Putting fertiliser out to make the grass grow wild is a waste of money

Agreed learnt that to my cost 2 years ago. Grass going wild.
Will be stocking this year at approx 1.5 x 450/500kg to acre

wrangler

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Agreed learnt that to my cost 2 years ago. Grass going wild.
Will be stocking this year at approx 1.5 x 450/500 to acre

That's what i was referring to alright, Put out 2bags 18 6 12/ acre now and it should cover you.
You'd probably need 4 bags /acre for silage at this stage if there's no slurry

BigSteaks

Green farmer wrote: »

Putting out pasture sward in spring and 18 6 12 later in summer , to avoid grass tenany associated with too much K in fertiliser.

You would nearly want to be going with a bag or two potash to be worried about tenany. Few bags 18.6.12 should be ok.

Grueller

BigSteaks wrote: »

You would nearly want to be going with a bag or two potash to be worried about tenany. Few bags 18.6.12 should be ok.

Unless I am missing something 1 bag of 0-0-48 is equal to 4 bags of 18-6-12 in the K stakes?

J.O. Farmer

Grueller wrote: »

Unless I am missing something 1 bag of 0-0-48 is equal to 4 bags of 18-6-12 in the K stakes?

It would be but 4 bags in one go of 18-6-12 is excessive for grazing. A bag and a half would be the same in N terms as a bag of CAN.

BigSteaks

Grueller wrote: »

Unless I am missing something 1 bag of 0-0-48 is equal to 4 bags of 18-6-12 in the K stakes?

If he put 4 bags on for grazing he would want the head examined. 2 bags now and 2 in July the job.

Grueller

BigSteaks wrote: »

Few bags 18.6.12 should be ok.

That part of the quote just made me wonder. I would put out 18-6-12 on old pasture here in a 2+2 pattern as well. I also spread muriate of potash in the late autumn after growth stops on the out farm as it gets no slurry or dung.

CHOPS01

Thanks lads 18.6.12 it is.

I says

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Thanks lads 18.6.12 it is.

Ya can thank me later;)

FeelTheBern

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Thanks lads 18.6.12 it is.

Would you be better holding off tmrw anyway with the deluge forecast for Weds.

CHOPS01

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Would you be better holding off tmrw anyway with the deluge forecast for Weds.

At best it will be next week before I'm out !

Water John

One better, go for 18 6 12 + 5% sulphur.

orchard farm

Theres a product called goulding replenish is very good