Anyone have their pet on a forced vegan diet?

Gone Drinking

If so, you should have your pet taken off you.

Just read something on facebook about vegans who force their naturally meat eating pets, to only eat veg and whatever else a vegan diet consists of.

This can only lead to a miserable and shortened life span for an animal that is meant to have meat in their diet.

I hope there's none of you here, I really do.

frag420

Gone Drinking wrote: »

If so, you should have your pet taken off you.

Just read something on facebook about vegans who force their naturally meat eating pets, to only eat veg and whatever else a vegan diet consists of.

This can only lead to a miserable and shortened life span for an animal that is meant to have meat in their diet.

I hope there's none of you here, I really do.

And fed to another hungry animal...

On a serious note I fully agree OP, its one thing to impose their dust eating beliefs on humans but to impose them on an animal that is a natural carnivore is wrong!

Cherry Blossom

Absolutely, including those that feed supermarket dog food that contains 4% meat.

chrismon

Relevant Futurama clip.
https://youtu.be/xkR2XEYEFgk

Ashbx

Well as an owner of a dog who has serious kidney issues who cannot process the protein from meat, yes I do feed my dog a meat free diet and she is thriving more now than she was when I was feeding her good high quality high protein food.

If people do it by choice, yes I agree its not the best for the dog and completely unnecessary. But I can assure you I am being the best owner I can be to my dog by NOT giving her meat.

Hoboo

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

Absolutely, including those that feed supermarket dog food that contains 4% meat.

Its generally "animal derivatives" containing 4% meat. And people think Pedigree Chum are the good guys

c.p.w.g.w

Hoboo wrote: »

Thats generous. Its generally 4% "animal derivitives". And people think Pedigree Chum are the good guys

Tesco Cat food has 40% Animal Derivatives, do brand names have as little as 4%

Cookie_Monster

That's animal cruelty and should be reported imo

SillyMangoX

Saw a post doing the rounds about a fennec fox who is being fed a vegan diet. He is dying a slow death and the owner won’t see reason
Most vegans I know will do what’s best for their pet, meaning feeding an appropriate diet. I know a lot of vegans who even feed raw diets to their pets because they know that they have a duty to look after their pets to the best of their abilities. Unless an animal has issues with meat proteins as mentioned above, there is no reason on earth to feed these foods. And don’t get me started on people who feed cats, OBLIGATE CARNIVORES, a vegan diet. Pure and utter cruelty.

loveisdivine

I'm vegan and I feed all my pets species appropriate diets. However, it's perfectly possible and actually more common, for cats/dogs to be fed poor quality meat based foods that can and do cause just as many medical issues as a vegan diet.

So perhaps lets spread the condemnation around evenly.

Hoboo

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Tesco Cat food has 40% Animal Derivatives, do brand names have as little as 4%

Apologies......pedigree has more than 4%, but states 4% of a particular animal. For example, beef flavour will say 4% beef. The rest is made up of whatever other sh**e they have, fish, chicken, sheep organs. Derivatives is not muscle/meat, its tripe and organs only.

Can of pedigree 'Bacon Cheeseburger's :eek: first ingredient is 'Chicken By Products'. I could guess what that means. Its also filled out with wheat, corn, and contains guar gum and xanthem gum.Its 78% water, and 8% protein. So how much meat could be in that 25-60% animal derivatives they claim?

The dry food I feed my dog is 60% protein (duck and venison), vegetables and various herbs, and clearly states what the meat is.........40% chicken from chicken breast, 20% fresh duck etc. And cost per day is actually less than pedigree chum.

tk123

Hoboo wrote: »

its tripe and organs only.

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Tripe is a superfood! And nothing wrong with human grade organs or by products for that matter necks, backs, tracheas, feet etc - its all good, I actually just prepped 10 pigs ears earlier to dehydrate tomorrow and the dogs will be having furry rabbit ears for their evening treat after supper.

Sandor Clegane

The irony of people saying this and other things are cruel but are happy to eat cow, chickens, lamb, pig etc that are treated horribly and killed gruesomely.

DBB

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

The irony of people saying this and other things are cruel but are happy to eat cow, chickens, lamb, pig etc that are treated horribly and killed gruesomely.

Let's not go down this road.
On-topic posts relating to the op only please.
Thanks,
DBB

Sandor Clegane

The hypocrisy has to be acknowledged, I wont say anymore on the subject but it's laughable someone would have a problem with feeding a dog a crappy diet, but on the other hand is fine to chow down a big juicy burger knowing full well where it came from and the conditions in which it was kept before being gruesomely killed.

DBB

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

The hypocrisy has to be acknowledged, I wont say anymore on the subject but it's laughable someone would have a problem with feeding a dog a crappy diet, but on the other hand is fine to chow down a big juicy burger knowing full well where it came from and the conditions in which it was kept before being gruesomely killed.

You were asked nicely to quit it.
But you didn't.
As you wouldn't do as politely asked, do not post in this thread again.
Thanks,
DBB

TitianGerm

tk123 wrote: »

Tripe is a superfood! And nothing wrong with human grade organs or by products for that matter necks, backs, tracheas, feet etc - its all good, I actually just prepped 10 pigs ears earlier to dehydrate tomorrow and the dogs will be having furry rabbit ears for their evening treat after supper.

Tripe absolutely stinks. My dogs love it but i hate the smell of the stuff

tk123

TitianGerm wrote: »

Tripe absolutely stinks. My dogs love it but i hate the smell of the stuff

I know lol :pac: We light a yankee candle

TitianGerm

tk123 wrote: »

I know lol :pac: We light a yankee candle

An then the little feckers come in jump up on the sofa and try to lick you :pac:

I usually get the other half to feed them if there is tripe on the menu!!

Mickeroo

Ashbx wrote: »

Well as an owner of a dog who has serious kidney issues who cannot process the protein from meat, yes I do feed my dog a meat free diet and she is thriving more now than she was when I was feeding her good high quality high protein food.

If people do it by choice, yes I agree its not the best for the dog and completely unnecessary. But I can assure you I am being the best owner I can be to my dog by NOT giving her meat.

Dogs are omnivores to a certain extent anyway,so I wouldn't worry too much. if someone was doing it to a cat though it would be pretty much animal cruelty.

Mutant z

Cats digestive systems arnt designed for veganism they are carnivores through and through in fact a vegan diet would make them seriously Ill anyone feeding them such a diet should stop asap or have their cats taken off them because its animal abuse to be feeding them a diet they arnt designed for.

Paddy Cow

Hoboo wrote: »

Apologies......pedigree has more than 4%, but states 4% of a particular animal. For example, beef flavour will say 4% beef. The rest is made up of whatever other sh**e they have, fish, chicken, sheep organs. Derivatives is not muscle/meat, its tripe and organs only.

Can of pedigree 'Bacon Cheeseburger's :eek: first ingredient is 'Chicken By Products'. I could guess what that means. Its also filled out with wheat, corn, and contains guar gum and xanthem gum.Its 78% water, and 8% protein. So how much meat could be in that 25-60% animal derivatives they claim?

The dry food I feed my dog is 60% protein (duck and venison), vegetables and various herbs, and clearly states what the meat is.........40% chicken from chicken breast, 20% fresh duck etc. And cost per day is actually less than pedigree chum.

What do you feed them? I want to get a good quality brand (maltese/bichon dogs) but I don't know where to start.

Hoboo

Paddy Cow wrote: »

What do you feed them? I want to get a good quality brand (maltese/bichon dogs) but I don't know where to start.

If you can afford it Id recommend Orijen all day. Best of the best dry food.

Ive been feeding my lab Wolf of Wilderness and she loves it, its less expensive than Orijen and not far off the quality. I buy mine from zooplus.ie, delivery takes about 7 days. If you bought a 12kg bag for small dogs it'd last months. If you do, introduce it slowly by mixing with their old food, increasing ratio to old food over 10 days.

You can do your own research here too

https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/1797/wolf-of-wilderness-adult-dry-food

Paddy Cow

Hoboo wrote: »

If you can afford it Id recommend Orijen all day. Best of the best dry food.

Ive been feeding my lab Wolf of Wilderness and she loves it, its less expensive than Orijen and not far off the quality. I buy mine from zooplus.ie, delivery takes about 7 days. If you bought a 12kg bag for small dogs it'd last months. If you do, introduce it slowly by mixing with their old food, increasing ratio to old food over 10 days.

You can do your own research here too

https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/1797/wolf-of-wilderness-adult-dry-food

Cheers for that. No one has ever given me such a detailed and easy to follow guide. At the risk of sounding thick, I just get overwhelmed with the amount of different foods out there. Usually I get told "look for a low grain count". Even when I went into the pet shop they weren't that helpful and I left feeling stupid. I will give the Wolf of Wilderness a go. Thanks

Cherry Blossom

Hoboo wrote: »

If you can afford it Id recommend Orijen all day. Best of the best dry food.

Ive been feeding my lab Wolf of Wilderness and she loves it, its less expensive than Orijen and not far off the quality. I buy mine from zooplus.ie, delivery takes about 7 days. If you bought a 12kg bag for small dogs it'd last months. If you do, introduce it slowly by mixing with their old food, increasing ratio to old food over 10 days.

You can do your own research here too

https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/1797/wolf-of-wilderness-adult-dry-food

If you have a bag of dog food open for months there's going to be very little nutritional value left in it by that time. Anything open more than 3 weeks here gets dumped. Small bags all the way otherwise you are completely defeating the whole purpose of feeding quality dog food.

ganmo

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

If you have a bag of dog food open for months there's going to be very little nutritional value left in it by that time. Anything open more than 3 weeks here gets dumped. Small bags all the way otherwise you are completely defeating the whole purpose of feeding quality dog food.

Are you talking dry food?
The only component that might go off (if kept dry) is the oil.

Cherry Blossom

ganmo wrote: »

Are you talking dry food?
The only component that might go off (if kept dry) is the oil.

Yes oils and fats turn rancid once the package is opened but you will have a hard time convincing me that cooked meat and veggies also won't go off in three weeks!

ganmo

http://www.eatbydate.com/proteins/meats/does-beef-jerky-go-bad/

If dried and stored right it should last a good while.
The food will either discolor or smell off when it does go bad

Bells21

It's recommended to buy smaller bags of kibble, to limit or prevent the onset of mycotoxins such as alfatoxin or vomitoxin forming in kibble.
From personal experience of having two small dogs, they often went off a particular 'flavour' of food so buying small bags in a range of flavours worked to our advantage.

Hoboo

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

If you have a bag of dog food open for months there's going to be very little nutritional value left in it by that time. Anything open more than 3 weeks here gets dumped. Small bags all the way otherwise you are completely defeating the whole purpose of feeding quality dog food.

Ive read varying time frames from 2 weeks to 3 months, e.g. Canidae who recommend 3 months. The bags have airtight seals, and I keep my bags in an air sealed box, takes 4 weeks to go through so never really thought about it. Im now reading some research as 2 weeks!

You can get around oxidisation though if you freeze the kibble.

Cheers for pointing this out, always thought 4 weeks was well within the limit.

Cherry Blossom

There is a visible difference in colour between the end of an old bag and the start of a new bag after a bag has been open 3 weeks. I feed Acana.

BudEliJackson

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

The hypocrisy has to be acknowledged, I wont say anymore on the subject but it's laughable someone would have a problem with feeding a dog a crappy diet, but on the other hand is fine to chow down a big juicy burger knowing full well where it came from and the conditions in which it was kept before being gruesomely killed.

I have to say I fully agree, back to the OP and the post- I am vegan and my three furbabies are pretty much nearly on vegan diet- still give them some fish.. I did lots of research and keep digging through states and facts and supplements etc to ensure what I am doing is the best for them, me and this planet, so don't judge pet parents before you have all the facts

Del2005

BudEliJackson wrote: »

I have to say I fully agree, back to the OP and the post- I am vegan and my three furbabies are pretty much nearly on vegan diet- still give them some fish.. I did lots of research and keep digging through states and facts and supplements etc to ensure what I am doing is the best for them, me and this planet, so don't judge pet parents before you have all the facts

Why do you feed them one of the least sustainable foods? And if you object to meat the catching and treatment of fish is way worst.

BudEliJackson

Del2005 wrote: »

Why do you feed them one of the least sustainable foods? And if you object to meat the catching and treatment of fish is way worst.

Hi what do you mean least sustainable food? I cook for my dogs , cant see anything about least sustainable? I didnt saythey eat fish every day ... it is just something that is tiny bit easier for me... but yes I agree catching and killing fish is horrendous as well, we came long way and maybe one day they are on fully vegan diet Now I expect people to hang me for saying that, I had blood tests done and my dogs are absolutely happy and healthy

Del2005

BudEliJackson wrote: »

Hi what do you mean least sustainable food? I cook for my dogs , cant see anything about least sustainable? I didnt saythey eat fish every day ... it is just something that is tiny bit easier for me... but yes I agree catching and killing fish is horrendous as well, we came long way and maybe one day they are on fully vegan diet Now I expect people to hang me for saying that, I had blood tests done and my dogs are absolutely happy and healthy

Fishing as done today is not sustainable. Even farmed fish aren't as they are being fed fish which are being hoovered up by super boats decimating fish populations. If you want to feed meat to your pets then Irish cattle are the most sustainable and best cared for source you can pick.

BudEliJackson

Del2005 wrote: »

Fishing as done today is not sustainable. Even farmed fish aren't as they are being fed fish which are being hoovered up by super boats decimating fish populations. If you want to feed meat to your pets then Irish cattle are the most sustainable and best cared for source you can pick.

Thanks, giving them fish is somehow easier for me for my own personal reasons than giving them anything else- but that is my personal view and yes I agree there might be better options (I know it might sounds bad that killing fish seems to be more acceptable than killing cow- it is somehow in my eyes ...)

Del2005

BudEliJackson wrote: »

Thanks, giving them fish is somehow easier for me for my own personal reasons than giving them anything else- but that is my personal view and yes I agree there might be better options (I know it might sounds bad that killing fish seems to be more acceptable than killing cow- it is somehow in my eyes ...)

Now I'm confused. You think that being drowned, at best, or having your head chopped off is a better way to die than a humane killer. Or is it OK for an animal that usually swims thousands of km to be kept in a pen a few metres across?

It reminds me of a comedian a while ago when there was the outrage that dolphins were getting caught in tuna nets, no one complained about the tuna dieing as they aren't cute. Do vegans only care about cute animals?

BudEliJackson

Del2005 wrote: »

Now I'm confused. You think that being drowned, at best, or having your head chopped off is a better way to die than a humane killer. Or is it OK for an animal that usually swims thousands of km to be kept in a pen a few metres across?

It reminds me of a comedian a while ago when there was the outrage that dolphins were getting caught in tuna nets, no one complained about the tuna dieing as they aren't cute. Do vegans only care about cute animals?

Not at all! We came long way from feeding my dogs Acana and Orijen 60-80% meat content to eating carrots as snacks, im not saying they are fully vegan, but 90% surely yes, we all do best we can and I do believe myself and doggies are doing really good and one day they might be on fully vegan diet thats all

gozunda

BudEliJackson wrote: »

Not at all! We came long way from feeding my dogs Acana and Orijen 60-80% meat content to eating carrots as snacks, im not saying they are fully vegan, but 90% surely yes, we all do best we can and I do believe myself and doggies are doing really good and one day they might be on fully vegan diet thats all

Always thought this was a prohibited discussion
for all the correct reasons on the forum.

Anyone feeding carnivores a vegan diet deserves opprobrium as fits ...

Mellor

Hoboo wrote: »

Apologies......pedigree has more than 4%, but states 4% of a particular animal. For example, beef flavour will say 4% beef. The rest is made up of whatever other sh**e they have, fish, chicken, sheep organs. Derivatives is not muscle/meat, its tripe and organs only.

FWIW organ meats aren't sh**e. Far from it, they are probably more nutritious that muscle cuts. People in general could do eating more of them. But this idea that expensive cuts are the best is modern thinking.

The dry food I feed my dog is 60% protein (duck and venison), vegetables and various herbs, and clearly states what the meat is.........40% chicken from chicken breast, 20% fresh duck etc. And cost per day is actually less than pedigree chum.

I'm sure that's very good dog food. But 60% chicken/duck in the ingredients isn't the same as 60% protein. Protein content is probably 20%

Tinned food is probably 10% protein

BudEliJackson

gozunda wrote: »

Always thought this was a prohibited discussion
for all the correct reasons on the forum.

Anyone feeding carnivores a vegan diet deserves opprobrium as fits ...

There is lots of discussion about carnivores vs omnivores as we domesticated dogs for milljons of years, do a little research on this please before you come to conclusions.

gozunda

BudEliJackson wrote: »

There is lots of discussion about carnivores vs omnivores as we domesticated dogs for milljons of years, do a little research on this please before you come to conclusions.

I have thanks. And my conclusion hasn't changed. I wonder do fruit flys make good pets?

Of all the comments I've see on boards regarding this - this is the most appropriate to the discussion at hand imo

conorhal wrote:

As for the pets issue, if you want to extend your lifestyle choices to your pets, it's best you choose one that suits your lifestyle. If you want to feed an animal rabbit food, make sure that your pet happens to be a rabbit.