New Kumho tyres

masterboy123

So i got 2 new front tires at my Benz dealer as thread was 2.5 mm. I told the dealer to go ahead and change, it will cost €230 for 2 tyres (before vat).

I forgot to ask about the brand and thought it will be the same Michelin tyres which was on at the moment. But to my surprise I saw tyres from Kumho Ecsta HS51. I never heard of this brand and wondering if it was a good investment?!? Any one got experience with these?

On an average drive, can tyres last 40,000 kms?

physioman

masterboy123 wrote: »

So i got 2 new front tires at my Benz dealer as thread was 2.5 mm. I told the dealer to go ahead and change, it will cost €230 for 2 tyres (before vat).

I forgot to ask about the brand and thought it will be the same Michelin tyres which was on at the moment. But to my surprise I saw tyres from Kumho Ecsta HS51. I never heard of this brand and wondering if it was a good investment?!? Any one got experience with these?

On an average drive, can tyres last 40,000 kms?

I have them. Not expecting 40k out of them because of the price. So far so good. Tyre place said they are a good seller

Toyotafanboi

Que "never buy your tyres at a dealers" posts.

Kumho would be an ok brand. Certainly not the worst tyre available but probably not as good as Michelins.

For €115 a corner I'm assuming they were 17 or 18 inch?

CIP4

My A4 has come with 4 of these all new when I bought it from the dealer I find them grand they stick to the road fairly well under heavy breaking etc. only have a couple k km on them so not sure what they are like to wear. Will probably go back to Goodyear f1 after these but overall happy enough.

masterboy123

I understand that it's a bad idea to change tyres at dealer. Will do it outside next time.
It's 225/50 R17, so i guess it's 17 inch?

I need to change my rear tyres maybe after 6 months, they are at 37 mm now. Is it good idea to get better rear tyres as car is rear wheel drive? I have Michelin primacy 4 at the moment.

Can anyone recommend a good reasonable priced tyres for C class? And what cost am I looking at?

Thanks

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Que "never buy your tyres at a dealers" posts.

Kumho would be an ok brand. Certainly not the worst tyre available but probably not as good as Michelins.

For €115 a corner I'm assuming they were 17 or 18 inch?

colm_mcm

masterboy123 wrote: »

. Can anyone recommend a good reasonable priced tyres for C class? And what cost am I looking at?

Thanks

What size are they?
Kumho are Korean by the way, standard fitment on Hyundai’s and Kias. Nothing wrong with them. Depending on your size it’s hard to say if you paid over the odds. Had them on my Fiats 15 years ago!

Gumbo

Had them on my 360bhp Evo for 2 years. Not a problem.
Have them on my E60 currently and find them just as good as the Michelin’s on my Nissan Leaf.

n1ck

Slightly offtopic but I need to replace my missus' front tyres, where do people recommend getting them changed in south Dublin?

masterboy123

It's 225/50 R17.

Thinking to get Goodyear or a Michelin for the rear sides. Saw many online sites selling for good price but not sure how much local tyre shop will charge to fit them in.

colm_mcm wrote: »

What size are they?
Kumho are Korean by the way, standard fitment on Hyundai’s and Kias. Nothing wrong with them. Depending on your size it’s hard to say if you paid over the odds. Had them on my Fiats 15 years ago!

bazz26

Why not just see how you get on with the Kumhos, if they serve you well until the rears need replacing then I'd tend to keep the same make of tyre all round.

masterboy123

The fuel efficiency for this tyre is very low, check the attached pic. I don't really know if it going to give poor fuel average on the long run.

https://image.delti.com/reifenlabel/1/E/C/69/1-E-C-69-1.png

bazz26 wrote: »

Why not just see how you get on with the Kumhos, if they serve you well until the rears need replacing then I'd tend to keep the same make of tyre all round.

ION08

"E" for economy and "C" wet rating? ..... sh-ite tyres IMO

They cost only €86 a piece on oponeo.ie so that will give you an idea.

Kumho KU31 have a C economy rating and more importantly an "A" wet rating ..... only €1 more expensive at €87 a piece.

https://www.oponeo.ie/details-tyre/kumho-ku31-225-50-r17-98-w-xl#181324678

Not the end of the world but at least you'll know to do some research next time .... or at least ask the question as to what tyres you'll be getting instead of "assuming"

morritty

Realistically, what you save on fuel over the life of the tyres might cover the extra cost of those tyres.

ION08

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Kumho would be an ok brand. Certainly not the worst tyre available but probably not as good as Michelins.

Bit of a generic assumption there!

Which Kumho's? Which Michelin's? and what characteristics are you using to draw this conclusion?

Each brand offer more than 1 type of tyre you know.

pete4130

Kumho offer 80,000km warranty on some of their tyres here in Australia, provided they get rotated every 10,000km by one of their retailers. Loads of cars have Kumho here. A decent high mid-range brand.

Toyotafanboi

ION08 wrote: »

Bit of a generic assumption there!

Which Kumho's? Which Michelin's? and what characteristics are you using to draw this conclusion?

Each brand offer more than 1 type of tyre you know.

Ah kind of but not too much so.

Let's face it, the dealer fitted Kumhos because the price is more palatable than the OEM Michelins.

The Kumhos aren't necessarily a bad tyre but they are cheaper than the Michelins for a reason and the reason is they are not as good.

You can split hairs over model differences if you wish. The OP has posted the Kumho model on thread already and if he is kind enough to post the Michelin model number of his rear tyres, if you do a spec for spec comparison I'd say you'll find the Kumhos are worse in most respects.

I'm not saying they are a bad tyre, they are adequate and probably better than a lot of muck out there on the roads today, but without knowing which models were chosen, I think it's a safe assumption that they won't be as high spec as the Michelins.

CJhaughey

This test shows they are far from Muck and in fact better than a lot of big name brands
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Express-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

ION08

CJhaughey wrote: »

This test shows they are far from Muck and in fact better than a lot of big name brands
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Express-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

sizes tested in that report are standard 205/55/16 (not the OP's size) - results can vary greatly depending on Size and load rating

ie a certain Kumho in one size may have different performance rating to the same tyre in different size/load rating

Indricotherium

pete4130 wrote: »

Kumho offer 80,000km warranty on some of their tyres here in Australia, provided they get rotated every 10,000km by one of their retailers. Loads of cars have Kumho here. A decent high mid-range brand.

They spend a bit of money advertising and warrantying them in Australia.

That's the only difference.

CJhaughey

ION08 wrote: »

sizes tested in that report are standard 205/55/16 (not the OP's size) - results can vary greatly depending on Size and load rating

ie a certain Kumho in one size may have different performance rating to the same tyre in different size/load rating

Sure I agree, but this test also shows that its still not a bad tyre in 225-50/17
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bild-Summer-Tyre-Shootout.htm

Truckermal

CIP4 wrote: »

My A4 has come with 4 of these all new when I bought it from the dealer I find them grand they stick to the road fairly well under heavy breaking etc. only have a couple k km on them so not sure what they are like to wear. Will probably go back to Goodyear f1 after these but overall happy enough.

Keep them as they wear very well, we have them on a A4 too and Contis and Pirellis were only lasting 15K up front but managed 25K of the Kumhos no bother!

ION08

CJhaughey wrote: »

Sure I agree, but this test also shows that its still not a bad tyre in 225-50/17
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bild-Summer-Tyre-Shootout.htm

They're no linglong ditchfinder by any means, but personally, I wouldn't be putting anything with less than an "A" wet rating on my car in on our frequently soggy roads ... especially not on anything RWD

masterboy123

I have learned my lesson now. Next time I am not just getting any tyres!!

Will check wet and fuel ratings in future

CJhaughey

masterboy123 wrote: »

I have learned my lesson now. Next time I am not just getting any tyres!!

Will check wet and fuel ratings in future

I find the EU rating ABC ratings a bit simplistic, they are a step in the right direction but ultimately the best tyres are tested by various companies and rated that way.
The ABC system doesn't always show what the tyres are like in real world conditions.

The problem with tyres is that they are all round and black, the really **** ones look exactly like the excellent ones and thats a problem that is hard to overcome.

tom petty

I've had these tyres ( excta's) on five diferent cars over 10 years inc a 4 x 4 and my classic and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them based on experience . They wear well ,are no louder than the Pirelli/Bridgestone/Goodyears etc that they replaced and have never given me cause for concern in the wet. I've got two being fitted to our Yeti on Saturday to match the two fitted last Oct. And these are replacing OE Pirelli's.
I'm also about to order four 225 x 45 x 17 from Camskill for €280 delivered to replace same size make on another car, these are 10 years old and although perfect and have covered only 17K miles will not be passed at nct time.
Great all round tyres.

masterboy123

Glad to hear some positive review on Kumho Ecsta.

I notice Camskill is a UK based tyre store.

Anyone can recommend me Irish online store where they sell premium tyres at good prices? Or is it better to go to my local tyre shops and get quotes there?

Thanks everyone!

tom petty wrote: »

I've had these tyres ( excta's) on five diferent cars over 10 years inc a 4 x 4 and my classic and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them based on experience . They wear well ,are no louder than the Pirelli/Bridgestone/Goodyears etc that they replaced and have never given me cause for concern in the wet. I've got two being fitted to our Yeti on Saturday to match the two fitted last Oct. And these are replacing OE Pirelli's.
I'm also about to order four 225 x 45 x 17 from Camskill for €280 delivered to replace same size make on another car, these are 10 years old and although perfect and have covered only 17K miles will not be passed at nct time.
Great all round tyres.

jimbis

n1ck wrote: »

Slightly offtopic but I need to replace my missus' front tyres, where do people recommend getting them changed in south Dublin?

Fire me a pm there with tyre size and I'll see what I can do for you.

DaveyDave

How much do the fuel economy ratings differ? Is it worthwhile going for an A over a C or is it only really noticeable going from the rally low ratings? Are you likely to get a couple of MPG more with better rated tyres, or less/more?

masterboy123

My tyre size 225/50 R17.

Are tubeless tyres same as run flat tyres? Bcoz my car don't have extra tyre and new tyres says only tubeless radial. There is an inflation kit in my car.

bazz26

Standard tyres have been tubeless for donkey years. Run flat tyres usually have "RFT" or "run on flat" engraved on the tyre sidewall.

masterboy123

Can i use inflation kit on tubeless only tyres? I don't see RFT written.

bazz26 wrote: »

Standard tyres have been tubeless for donkey years. Run flat tyres usually have "RFT" or "run on flat" engraved on the tyre sidewall.

bazz26

Do you mean that gunk in a can stuff? If so yes but you will then not be able to repair the tyre again after that.

masterboy123

Ah not good then.

What about just adding up air without the gunk in a can every few kms until I reach the repair shop?

bazz26 wrote: »

Do you mean that gunk in a can stuff? If so yes but you will then not be able to repair the tyre again after that.

CJhaughey

masterboy123 wrote: »

Ah not good then.

What about just adding up air without the gunk in a can every few kms until I reach the repair shop?

Are you sure there is no space for a spare wheel, even one of the space savers type?

Voodoomelon

physioman wrote: »

I have them. Not expecting 40k out of them because of the price. So far so good. Tyre place said they are a good seller

Price has no bearing on longevity. Super expensive high performance tyres last far less than €45 Chinese brand blocks of rubber.

Kumho are an above average brand and typically score well for longevity, grip and noise.

masterboy123

Yes I am sure there isn't any place in the boot for spare wheel. I think Mercedes tried to reduce weight by removing spare wheel.

CJhaughey wrote: »

Are you sure there is no space for a spare wheel, even one of the space savers type?

Toyotafanboi

Is yours petrol or diesel? Seen some diesel Mercs with an adblue tank in the so are wheel well.

masterboy123

It's diesel and yes I need to fill Adblue, nozzle for Adblue is next to diesel nozzle. It used to be in the trunk in older version.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is yours petrol or diesel? Seen some diesel Mercs with an adblue tank in the so are wheel well.