Diesel cars - Prime Time tonight

Atlantic Dawn

Diesel cars tonight on Prime Time, was described as the great diesel swindle in the intro, might be of interest.

Cannon_fodder

Will watch with interest, now that we have a diesel free household.

SCOOP 64

What will they do bring the price down of petrol to same as diesel to encourage sales of petrol cars?

Atlantic Dawn

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

What will they do bring the price down of petrol to same as diesel to encourage sales of petrol cars?

Apparently from todays news the view was best to raise the duty on diesel up to the price of petrol.

Fann Linn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Apparently from todays news the view was best to raise the duty on diesel up to the price of petrol.

Plus the tax???

Fann Linn

When ye need subtitles for Mattie McGrath....

SCOOP 64

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Apparently from todays news the view was best to raise the duty on diesel up to the price of petrol.

Yeah i know just abit of Sarcasm.

Supergurrier

Yet there are piss poor tax breaks/exemptions on EV's as it stands

It's just a massive tax grab.

mikeym

Drive up inflation by hiking up the price of Diesel smart move.

Dont forget the delivery trucks dont run on fresh air and the public transport is a joke as it is.

Those crustys who support the increase in the taxation of Diesel fuel are away with the fairies.

Atlantic Dawn

The Gormley fecker, no sign of him lately.

mikeym

Wasnt it the Fianna Fail/Green Party coalition that made Diesel cars more attractive to buy?

Atlantic Dawn

One step would be to check DPF's have not been removed when cars are NCT'd.

Atlantic Dawn

Eh all cars are imported.

Atlantic Dawn

No mention of VW, probably because they sponsor lots of RTE shows.

Atlantic Dawn

Well that was a complete load of sheite.

mikeym

mikeym wrote: »

Dont forget the delivery trucks dont run on fresh air and the public transport is a joke as it is.

This argument is flawed.
They already keep records of the fuel they buy so they "could" be given a tax break or rebate.

BorneTobyWilde

Trucks need diesel, they won't allow more tax on fuel.
They could increase the length of truck and trailers though,60ft , same weights. It would get a lot of trucks off the road. Two trucks can then deliver those 3 truck loads of Cornflakes. Way too many trucks on Irish roads delivering light material, those with light loads need longer trailers, would eliminate 1000's of trucks.

Sleeper12

BrownFinger wrote:

This argument is flawed. They already keep records of the fuel they buy so they "could" be given a tax break or rebate.

I can't see the government doing this. They are no longer allowed to charge VAT on the M50. They did not change the price so commercial vehicles are now paying 23 percent more. Price stayed the same but they no longer claim 23 percent back. I drive a van & it costs me around 30 euro per month extra in tolls. Not the end of the world but haulage companies are being hit for 1000s per month. I can't see this government giving a tax break

MarkN

Pretty sure I heard today that if they did increase diesel to match petrol the total cost would be up 22% pretty much overnight.

Sleeper12

MarkN wrote:

Pretty sure I heard today that if they did increase diesel to match petrol the total cost would be up 22% pretty much overnight.

Petrol is about 10 percent more than diesel. Making them the same has to be 10 percent not 22 percent. Or maybe I'm missing something

Supergurrier

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Petrol is about 10 percent more than diesel. Making them the same has to be 10 percent not 22 percent. Or maybe I'm missing something

Diesel has a higher base cost before taxes

firstlight

Scrap car tax and il pay extra 10 cent on diesel

JoeA3

It was a load of absolute sh1t... dumbed down crap for the masses. And to cap it all, they brought in the motoring “expert” from the Indo. :rolleyes: Conor Faughnan must be otherwise indisposed.

Ubbquittious

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trucks need diesel, they won't allow more tax on fuel.
They could increase the length of truck and trailers though,60ft , same weights. It would get a lot of trucks off the road. Two trucks can then deliver those 3 truck loads of Cornflakes. Way too many trucks on Irish roads delivering light material, those with light loads need longer trailers, would eliminate 1000's of trucks.

Pity they ran the rail freight network into the ground. I remember a time when there used to be a crane loading and unloading freight trains in Mallow. Now that's all gone with the bows and arrows because road transport is apparently more modern

Markcheese

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Pity they ran the rail freight network into the ground. I remember a time when there used to be a crane loading and unloading freight trains in Mallow. Now that's all gone with the bows and arrows because road transport is apparently more modern

In a small country with a smallish population, and no shortage of ports next to the main population centres trains just can't compete with road transport...

vandriver

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Petrol is about 10 percent more than diesel. Making them the same has to be 10 percent not 22 percent. Or maybe I'm missing something

You are missing something!
The ESRI called for a 22% rise on the duty,currently at 47c.
22% of 47c is 10c.

testicles

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vicwatson

They do this and it might be another final straw like the water taxes, so many sold a pup and then to be punished for it, again. No appetite for that.

vicwatson

testicles wrote: »

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5 grand off an already inflated price !

maidhc

MarkN wrote: »

Pretty sure I heard today that if they did increase diesel to match petrol the total cost would be up 22% pretty much overnight.

Wait until they need to replace the funds into the exchequer from fuel duty.

I assume we will be looking at a gps pay per play system in each car.

Atlantic Dawn

I suppose from a government point of view the importation of used diesel cars gives them nice VRT money to offset the cheap tax so they don't want it to stop.

Zubeneschamali

vicwatson wrote: »

They do this and it might be another final straw

?? There cannot be "yet another final straw" - the final straw is the last, by definition.

SBPhoto

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I suppose from a government point of view the importation of used diesel cars gives them nice VRT money to offset the cheap tax so they don't want it to stop.

There is no such thing as a cheap tax, a tax is a tax, not much difference between tax on new petrol and diesels cars now anyhow

Ubbquittious

Markcheese wrote: »

In a small country with a smallish population, and no shortage of ports next to the main population centres trains just can't compete with road transport...

Yet there's loads of lorries making their way up and down the M8 every day.
Those lorries aren't paying the true cost of the wear they put on the road network either

Caliden

firstlight wrote: »

Scrap car tax and il pay extra 10 cent on diesel

Even scrapping motor tax and upping the price by 20 cent is a better solution in my opinion.

It's fairer in the sense that those causing the most 'pollution', pay the most.

BillyBobBS

Caliden wrote: »

Even scrapping motor tax and upping the price by 20 cent is a better solution in my opinion.

It's fairer in the sense that those causing the most 'pollution', pay the most.

It's the sensible solution, so it will never happen here.

The more you drive the more you pay.

NBar

But are diesel owners/drivers still not getting a great deal if fuel is the same price as the get more miles per km and road tax is not being affected. So what’s the issue

firstlight

Look no matter what someone will always have a moan anyway
I drive a diesel because it makes sence,I drive alot of miles
800 miles for 70 litres of diesel
Most people pay enough for fuel,road tax,insurance,ncts as it is and with insurance companies pulling random astronomical figures out of the sky and refusing perfectly roadworthy cars where does the circus end

Their squeezing every last penny out of people

Idbatterim

just listened to that bull**** there, Miriam asking "will diesel owners be compensated" LOL compensated? they have been paying a hell of a lot less than they should have been for years, its like asking, will the government charge them for undercharging for years of cheaper than it should be fuel and motor tax! Compensated! do they give a **** about the damage they are doing to our health? Im sure they couldnt have educated themselves on that though before worrying about a few euro in motor tax a year, when the rubbish tractor engined car they have bough is losing thousands a year!

firstlight

firstlight wrote: »

800 miles for 70 litres of diesel

Its over 13 years since we changed to km

Sabre Man

vicwatson wrote: »

5 grand off an already inflated price !

You also need to consider the vastly lower running costs.

firstlight

BrownFinger wrote: »

Its over 13 years since we changed to km

1288 Kilometres
My Clock is in miles

Dravokivich

NBar wrote: »

But are diesel owners/drivers still not getting a great deal if fuel is the same price as the get more miles per km and road tax is not being affected. So what’s the issue

More miles per kilometre?

DaveyDave

testicles wrote: »

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Not having to pay 14% VRT, which when compared to 14% of a small petrol, is a joke? Cars are stupidly expensive in this country.

FR85

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It's the sensible solution, so it will never happen here.

The more you drive the more you pay.

I can see taxi drivers (who own the roads by the way) getting up in arms if that came in. And to be fair they should be paying a lot more then they are!