Why no Luas for Blanchardstown

Murt10

Can somebody tell me why, with the plans announces today to spend billions and billions of Euros, for transport in Ireland from 2020 to 2040, there are no plan to bring a Luas line from Broombridge in Cabra to Blanchardstown?

What's the point in having a Taoiseach in the area, (living I might add, right beside the train tracks himself) if he cannot deliver on something as basic as this. Maybe he should ask some of his constituents whether they would consider a luas line for the area, useful or important or whether they prefer to wait on buses and don't place much value on their own time.

I use the train when I'm going into Town and I couldn't give a hoot whether its a Dart or a diesel that takes me in. So why not spend the money helping more of Dublin 15 than just the few who live near the train line.

Dublin 15 and the Greater Blanchardstown Area, has a massive population and adding a spur line, in relative terms wouldn't cost a fortune. Isn't the N3 a new 3 lane carriageway and more than capable of taking a Luas line.

Maybe Mr O'Gorman, or Mr Chambers or some of the left candidates should announce that they will deliver on it.

khaldrogo

There should be a light rail or metro from the airport through blanc on to Lucan and on to tallaght

Staplor

Did they not announce a DART which is far better?????

Phil.x

There's not enough people making enough noise about it.
The new metro is basically running parallel to the dart line and the port tunnel.
Bray has the dart and a motorway, so why a luas line? People in power, that's why.

Finglas! Cabra! How is it, that areas closest to the city centre have and will have more/better public transport, paschal donohoe that's why.
When I lived in cabra I could walk into town in 30mins so why do the government feel they need a luas, bus and train.

Seth Brundle

Murt10 wrote: »

What's the point in having a Taoiseach in the area, (living I might add, right beside the train tracks himself) if he cannot deliver on something as basic as this. Maybe he should ask some of his constituents whether they would consider a luas line for the area, useful or important or whether they prefer to wait on buses and don't place much value on their own time.

...a perfect example of how parish pump politics has buggered up this country!

Phil.x

Staplor wrote: »

Did they not announce a DART which is far better?????

Yes if your near a station. But yes that's badly needed as well as an increase in frequency on and off peak, also a feeder bus and feeder bus priced tickets to train stations, like the people in malahide have.

Phil.x

sugarman wrote: »

With the existing train stations serving Blanch why would it need a luas? It wouldn't be any quicker, in fact it's be a hell of a lot slower.. only adding to traffic on the roads as a lot of it would be ground level shared with motorists. Surely a simple increase in services to trains linking to Boombridge and Connolly would make the most sense so as to make changes for both the Luas and Dart.

But it would bring you to the centre• of Ireland with no stress..........•Stephens Green.

Staplor

Phil.x wrote: »

Yes if your near a station. But yes that's badly needed as well as an increase in frequency on and off peak, also a feeder bus and feeder bus priced tickets to train stations, like the people in malahide have.

That's much easier to get than a luas. The luas is slow as hell and takes up road space, more frequent bus and dart would be much better.

Del2005

Murt10 wrote: »

Can somebody tell me why, with the plans announces today to spend billions and billions of Euros, for transport in Ireland from 2020 to 2040, there are no plan to bring a Luas line from Broombridge in Cabra to Blanchardstown?

What's the point in having a Taoiseach in the area, (living I might add, right beside the train tracks himself) if he cannot deliver on something as basic as this. Maybe he should ask some of his constituents whether they would consider a luas line for the area, useful or important or whether they prefer to wait on buses and don't place much value on their own time.

I use the train when I'm going into Town and I couldn't give a hoot whether its a Dart or a diesel that takes me in. So why not spend the money helping more of Dublin 15 than just the few who live near the train line.

Dublin 15 and the Greater Blanchardstown Area, has a massive population and adding a spur line, in relative terms wouldn't cost a fortune. Isn't the N3 a new 3 lane carriageway and more than capable of taking a Luas line.

Maybe Mr O'Gorman, or Mr Chambers or some of the left candidates should announce that they will deliver on it.

Where would this Luas go that has the density to support it? If it goes to too many places it won't be time competitive and if it goes to a few you'll have the same problem as people not beside the train station.

Short hop frequent feeder buses to transport hubs is what our current low density suburbs and towns need, not a fixed asset that only benefits the few close by. Our future developments can be centred on Metro or Luas.

Peintre Celebre

Murt10 wrote: »

Can somebody tell me why, with the plans announces today to spend billions and billions of Euros, for transport in Ireland from 2020 to 2040, there are no plan to bring a Luas line from Broombridge in Cabra to Blanchardstown?

What's the point in having a Taoiseach in the area, (living I might add, right beside the train tracks himself) if he cannot deliver on something as basic as this. Maybe he should ask some of his constituents whether they would consider a luas line for the area, useful or important or whether they prefer to wait on buses and don't place much value on their own time.

I use the train when I'm going into Town and I couldn't give a hoot whether its a Dart or a diesel that takes me in. So why not spend the money helping more of Dublin 15 than just the few who live near the train line.

Dublin 15 and the Greater Blanchardstown Area, has a massive population and adding a spur line, in relative terms wouldn't cost a fortune. Isn't the N3 a new 3 lane carriageway and more than capable of taking a Luas line.

Maybe Mr O'Gorman, or Mr Chambers or some of the left candidates should announce that they will deliver on it.

The rest of the country really feels for you and your inadequate transport.

Larbre34

Murt10 wrote: »

Isn't the N3 a new 3 lane carriageway and more than capable of taking a Luas line.

No, its not a 3 lane carriageway. Even if were feasible to put a luas line down the central reservation, why would you?? From Castleknock onwards the N3 runs parallel to the the railway, which as was mentioned above is to be electrified and capacity increased, so a Luas from Broombridge to Blanch would be a complete waste of money.

What motivated this particular argument that you havent thought through? Was it contrived to have a pop at Varadkar? If so, whats the agenda.

There is plenty I would take Varadkar to task over, but not this.

Caranica

Bought in Waterville in 2003. Brochure had two Metro West stops on the Snugborough Road. Now just a pipe dream.

Sports Campus Ireland keeps expanding as planned but the public transport options are woeful, especially at weekends. The 38 routes are the very poor relation to the 39s

piplip87

Posts and people thinking like this is why this plan will fail.

Firstly Leo and the other members of the Dail are national legislators, the nonsense some of our TDs have come out with this week is ridiculous. Them gombeens all expecting everything in their own areas. This is parish pump bollocks that will ruin any real development.

January

Broombridge through Finglas and on out to Tyrellstown is an option.

December2012

Caranica wrote: »

Bought in Waterville in 2003. Brochure had two Metro West stops on the Snugborough Road. Now just a pipe dream.

Sports Campus Ireland keeps expanding as planned but the public transport options are woeful, especially at weekends. The 38 routes are the very poor relation to the 39s

It’s crazy that sports campus Ireland doesn’t have bette public transport links

ArmaniJeanss

Caranica wrote: »

Bought in Waterville in 2003. Brochure had two Metro West stops on the Snugborough Road. Now just a pipe dream.

Sports Campus Ireland keeps expanding as planned but the public transport options are woeful, especially at weekends. The 38 routes are the very poor relation to the 39s

There are some tweaks coming to the 38 & 38a from next month, about 8 extra buses Monday to Friday. No improvement to the 38B though.
Can see the old and new timetables here.
https://www.dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/?searchtype=route&searchquery=38

blanch152

January wrote: »

Broombridge through Finglas and on out to Tyrellstown is an option.

Caranica wrote: »

Bought in Waterville in 2003. Brochure had two Metro West stops on the Snugborough Road. Now just a pipe dream.

Sports Campus Ireland keeps expanding as planned but the public transport options are woeful, especially at weekends. The 38 routes are the very poor relation to the 39s

Sometime around 2040, a section of the the original Metro West line from Finglas Green Line terminus to Adamstown to the Red Line is possible, interchanging with the DART at Porterstown, and passing through Blanchardstown Centre and Liffey Valley etc.

AlanG

Leo seems totally focused on not been seen to do anything that may be called Parish Pump politics. No kids hospital for Blanch as Leo couldn't be seen to do the right thing in his own area, no decent local swimming pool and now no decent transport investment. I live near the train and also cycle so it doesn't impact me but anyone in Tyrrelstown, corduff and around the Hartstown area has been badly let down by our local representatives when it comes to facilities.

AlanG

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

There are some tweaks coming to the 38 & 38a from next month, about 8 extra buses Monday to Friday. No improvement to the 38B though.
Can see the old and new timetables here.
https://www.dublinbus.ie/Your-Journey1/Timetables/?searchtype=route&searchquery=38

The 38a timetable (old and new) list it as going through Castleknock village. Does anyone know if the route has changed as it currently goes straight from Blanch Village to Morgan place (travellodge).

handlemaster

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Murt10 wrote: »

Can somebody tell me why, with the plans announces today to spend billions and billions of Euros, for transport in Ireland from 2020 to 2040, there are no plan to bring a Luas line from Broombridge in Cabra to Blanchardstown?

What's the point in having a Taoiseach in the area, (living I might add, right beside the train tracks himself) if he cannot deliver on something as basic as this. Maybe he should ask some of his constituents whether they would consider a luas line for the area, useful or important or whether they prefer to wait on buses and don't place much value on their own time.

I use the train when I'm going into Town and I couldn't give a hoot whether its a Dart or a diesel that takes me in. So why not spend the money helping more of Dublin 15 than just the few who live near the train line.

Dublin 15 and the Greater Blanchardstown Area, has a massive population and adding a spur line, in relative terms wouldn't cost a fortune. Isn't the N3 a new 3 lane carriageway and more than capable of taking a Luas line.

Maybe Mr O'Gorman, or Mr Chambers or some of the left candidates should announce that they will deliver on it.

The rest of the country really feels for you and your inadequate transport.

There are more people living in Dublin 15 than the whole of sligo. Just to put your point into perspective. There are a large number of international companies in Dublin 15, with development land for more to come. If the government spend on a luas for the area it would not only be a benefit to the 68000 plus people who live in Dublin 15 but offer more jobs long term for the whole country to apply for. We mustnt think the whole time small think of the bigger picture.

Seth Brundle

AlanG wrote: »

Leo seems totally focused on not been seen to do anything that may be called Parish Pump politics. No kids hospital for Blanch as Leo couldn't be seen to do the right thing in his own area, no decent local swimming pool and now no decent transport investment. I live near the train and also cycle so it doesn't impact me but anyone in Tyrrelstown, corduff and around the Hartstown area has been badly let down by our local representatives when it comes to facilities.

So your national legislators are doing what they should be doing and not pandering to moany people looking to have them doing stuff they shouldn't be doing?
About time!

murphaph

D15 would be far better served by the delivery of DART Underground and the associated conversion to DART of the Maynooth line. This could then be fed with several north-south bus routes feeding in to the stations on the line.

December2012

AlanG wrote: »

, no decent local swimming pool.

I agree with lots of your post except this

Of the top of my head there are a lot of great swimming pools in Dublin 15. More than, in say, Dublin 17 or other areas.

National aquatic centre
Westmanstown
Castleknock hotel
Coolmine

There may be one at Ben dunnes and junction 6 too?

January

December2012 wrote: »

I agree with lots of your post except this

Of the top of my head there are a lot of great swimming pools in Dublin 15. More than, in say, Dublin 17 or other areas.

National aquatic centre
Westmanstown
Castleknock hotel
Coolmine

There may be one at Ben dunnes and junction 6 too?

None of them are public swimming pools though.

Both finglas and ballymun have amazing swimming pools and council ran gyms. Blanchardstown has nothing like that.

December2012

January wrote: »

None of them are public swimming pools though.

Both finglas and ballymun have amazing swimming pools and council ran gyms. Blanchardstown has nothing like that.

Fair enough. Fingal should have a good fitness centre in the area.

Former Former

January wrote: »

None of them are public swimming pools though.

Both finglas and ballymun have amazing swimming pools and council ran gyms. Blanchardstown has nothing like that.

It does; Coolmine.

Not to mention the NAC of course.

PhoenixParker

A lack of facilities provided by the county council, in your case Fingal, is a matter to be taken up with your county councillors not your TD.

January

Former Former wrote: »

January wrote: »

None of them are public swimming pools though.

Both finglas and ballymun have amazing swimming pools and council ran gyms. Blanchardstown has nothing like that.

It does; Coolmine.

Not to mention the NAC of course.

Neither of those are public facilties.

BGozIE

January wrote: »

Broombridge through Finglas and on out to Tyrellstown is an option.

Apparently there is a 40L bus coming on stream to do just this. More sort term than a Luas obviously

Former Former

January wrote: »

Neither of those are public facilties.

They provide exactly the facilities that a council-operated swimming pool would provide, Coolmine in particular.

I'd be pretty annoyed if my LPT was spent by Fingal on another pool that no-one needs.

AlanG

kbannon wrote: »

So your national legislators are doing what they should be doing and not pandering to moany people looking to have them doing stuff they shouldn't be doing?
About time!

I totally agree in theory but we have to work in the system that exists until it is changed. PR and the lack of local taxation in Ireland means that TDs are almost like local mayors and have far more power than local government, therefore it is local TDs that get things done. There is no point playing what you think the rules should be if you are loosing all the time to people who work in the reality of the time.

Besides, the decision regarding the Children's hospital was clearly one where the national interest would have been served by putting it in Blanch or Tallagh but Leo gave in to the consultants living in the south city and a desire not to be seen to be doing D15 a favour while he had his eye on the big prize for himself.

AlanG

Former Former wrote: »

They provide exactly the facilities that a council-operated swimming pool would provide, Coolmine in particular.

I'd be pretty annoyed if my LPT was spent by Fingal on another pool that no-one needs.

There is no chance of it being a pool that no one needs - the waiting list for lessons in Coolmine is almost a year and it is badly run down compared to the city pools in Ballymun and Finglas.

The NAC is a great facility but not really affordable for many locals on a regular basis as it is a national piece of infrastructure, should the people of Tallagh be happy not to have football pitches for their kids because they have a fine new soccer stadium in the area?

January

Former Former wrote: »

They provide exactly the facilities that a council-operated swimming pool would provide, Coolmine in particular.

I'd be pretty annoyed if my LPT was spent by Fingal on another pool that no-one needs.

Not at the same cost as the swimming pool and gym in both Finglas and Ballymun do though. Coolmine, as stated above has a waiting list for their swimming lessons and the NAC is not affordable for families on low incomes to use on a regular basis.

It's one thing Fingal lacks IMO and would welcome such a proposal.

BlazingSaddler

AlanG wrote: »

Coolmine is almost a year and it is badly run down compared to the city pools in Ballymun and Finglas.

Don't want to make this a thread about pools but I think it's harsh to say Coolmine is badly run down, old fashioned yes but not run down.

JupiterKid

LUAS to the more northerly part of D15 - Tyrrellstown, Ballycoolin, etc might be very useful but a full DART service for the existing rail line is badly needed. It’s clear that D15 - with a population now about the same as Limerick - badly needs far better public transport.

I grew up in Castleknock and currently live off the Navan Road - the traffic on the Navan Road is chock a block more than half the day and it shows how it simply can’t cope with the growth of the D15 area.

Better bus services might help a bit but a Metro/heavy rail solution is a no brainer.

beauf

BlazingSaddler wrote: »

Don't want to make this a thread about pools but I think it's harsh to say Coolmine is badly run down, old fashioned yes but not run down.

I think Coolmine is great. But it badly needs a refurbishment.

handlemaster

JupiterKid wrote: »

LUAS to the more northerly part of D15 - Tyrrellstown, Ballycoolin, etc might be very useful but a full DART service for the existing rail line is badly needed. It’s clear that D15 - with a population now about the same as Limerick - badly needs far better public transport.

I grew up in Castleknock and currently live off the Navan Road - the traffic on the Navan Road is chock a block more than half the day and it shows how it simply can’t cope with the growth of the D15 area.

Better bus services might help a bit but a Metro/heavy rail solution is a no brainer.

Blanchardstown is really a town in itself. Would be great to have the Luas. But in ireland there is a serious lack of vision on how to deliver any big project. Go to any european country and trams are ten a penny within small and big cities

beauf

It seems anytime there is money to do the signal and track upgrade required to the Maynooth line, they spend it on the Dart or Luas.
I never remember a time when D.15 didn't have traffic problems, or the train wasn't crammed to the rafters.
It just doesn't seem the have the political influence of other parts of Dublin.

L1011

The signal upgrade required is on Connolly. The signalling and track to Maynooth is only 15 years old and still modern (rail standards move slowly)

Also they need to buy more trains. The DART upgrade if it ever happens will just be wiring and some minor signalling enhancements

Seth Brundle

handlemaster wrote: »

Blanchardstown is really a town in itself. Would be great to have the Luas. But in ireland there is a serious lack of vision on how to deliver any big project. Go to any european country and trams are ten a penny within small and big cities

The bigger thing that's lacking is the funding. Given the limited finance would you prefer higher taxes or would you rather make the existing services (rail and bus) more efficient?

handlemaster

Seth Brundle wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Blanchardstown is really a town in itself. Would be great to have the Luas. But in ireland there is a serious lack of vision on how to deliver any big project. Go to any european country and trams are ten a penny within small and big cities

The bigger thing that's lacking is the funding. Given the limited finance would you prefer higher taxes or would you rather make the existing services (rail and bus) more efficient?

Seth Brundle wrote: »

handlemaster wrote: »

Blanchardstown is really a town in itself. Would be great to have the Luas. But in ireland there is a serious lack of vision on how to deliver any big project. Go to any european country and trams are ten a penny within small and big cities

The bigger thing that's lacking is the funding. Given the limited finance would you prefer higher taxes or would you rather make the existing services (rail and bus) more efficient?

no issue with higher taxes as long as the services are provided

beauf

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The bigger thing that's lacking is the funding. Given the limited finance would you prefer higher taxes or would you rather make the existing services (rail and bus) more efficient?

Seems like my taxes go to making other areas more efficient.

donaghs

handlemaster wrote: »

Blanchardstown is really a town in itself. Would be great to have the Luas. But in ireland there is a serious lack of vision on how to deliver any big project. Go to any european country and trams are ten a penny within small and big cities

Where would you put a luas? The only rough plan proposed was metro west. This roughly followed the M50 from tallaght to the airport metro north. Handy to get the airport or liffey valley from the m50 suburbs, but i couldnt see it carrying high volumes of pasengers regularly.

Most people here want some sort of luas into town. as has been mentioned, there's been a train station for a long time, called Blancharstown on old OSI maps. now called Castleknock (closer to Blanch supervalu than it is to Myos pub though). It now has a handy luas spur at broombridge which goes to stephens green. More frequent trains would help, and bus routes feeding it.

Realistically, what other kind of luas could blanchardstown get? where would it go? what route would it use?

beauf

There is a park and ride in Dunboyne and you could also consider another in Ashbourne through ballycoolin as a spur from castleknock.

You need to draw road traffic away from the n3 / M50 .

But it's all pointless unless the line has increased capacity and frequency. Something it has never had in the last quarter of a century.

The Docklands train is shorter at the busiest times. Stops completely in the middle of the day. And it's delayed by other trains on the line.

Otherwise it's the high speed route from d15 to the city centre. It has less stops. It's usually quicker to get the Docklands train and walk to your destination, than get the maynooth train.

doolox

I was bringing my daughter to the Theory test centre at the end of the Clonsilla Road where it forms a T jct with the Blachardstown village road. The adjoining link to the Shopping centre took me 15 minutes to get through and the same on the way back. I haven't been to Blanch in years but the traffic has become almost completely unmanageable in its present form.

The lights at that junction are way too SLOW.

There isn't a junction like it anywhere else for all day slowness.

Caranica

doolox wrote: »

I was bringing my daughter to the Theory test centre at the end of the Clonsilla Road where it forms a T jct with the Blachardstown village road. The adjoining link to the Shopping centre took me 15 minutes to get through and the same on the way back. I haven't been to Blanch in years but the traffic has become almost completely unmanageable in its present form.

The lights at that junction are way too SLOW.

There isn't a junction like it anywhere else for all day slowness.

That junction is being completely redesigned with a second bridge over the n3 to be built. Work to start in the autumn I think

handlemaster

take it up the navan road run it passed the hospital then to the blanch centre... from there out thought mulhuddart to the airport.

dickwod1

donaghs wrote: »

Where would you put a luas?
Most people here want some sort of luas into town.
where would it go? what route would it use?

blanch.JPG
My proposed route is about 15km long with seven stops covering most places,
The terminus at the Hartstown distributor Rd or preferably further North in the Hartstown Park between Woodvale and Pinebrook,
Joining back onto the train tracks at the ghost estate under the new Porterstown bridge towards Town/Broombridge.