New tractor

baz321

Hi was thinking of buying a new tractor approx 100 hp .i always had new holland and ford before that and got on well with them . I drove a t5 105 in the north last year almost new and was disappointed as it was noisier and seemed poor quality in comparison to my ts100a .i have seen new deutz tractors advertised at reasonable money 46k plus vat .i also have seen Kubota tractor with loader for 60k inc vat or 53k without . Has anyone got any experience of driving these or class tractors .i don’t want to spend massive money . Cheers .

cute geoge

Does it have to be brand new????
Massive choice of s/h ,the t5.105 equivelent would be tl 100a so lower spec to what you have all ready .You could hardly go wrong with a t6010 low hours off a main dealer

baz321

I wouldn’t be happy risking 35k on an 8 year old tractor with 5 thousand hours and not know it’s history .id be happier spending a bit more and buy new and have a good tractor for a good few years ..

Grueller

I would be interested to hear more about the Kubota M5-111 as well. Seem good value at €60k by comparison with the NH t5 pr Case farmall or valtra a series or massey 5 series.
The new deutz look very odd to me. Very low and squat with a long nose protrusion.

simx

Anybody price a new Massey 5612 lately?

baz321

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/16764179

baz321

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/17618086

baz321

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/16365375

baz321

What’s the smallest t6 new holland and prices if anyone know would be good to know .

Mtx

Waste of money. Buy one with 3k hours and treated well. As good as a tractor with 100 hours.

GrasstoMilk

baz321 wrote: »

Hi was thinking of buying a new tractor approx 100 hp .i always had new holland and ford before that and got on well with them . I drove a t5 105 in the north last year almost new and was disappointed as it was noisier and seemed poor quality in comparison to my ts100a .i have seen new deutz tractors advertised at reasonable money 46k plus vat .i also have seen Kubota tractor with loader for 60k inc vat or 53k without . Has anyone got any experience of driving these or class tractors .i don’t want to spend massive money . Cheers .

I know where there is a nice MF 5610 with not too high hours and loader for the kind of money your talking of spending if you were interested in Massey.

Del2005

Mtx wrote: »

Waste of money. Buy one with 3k hours and treated well. As good as a tractor with 100 hours.

If no one buys new then there'll be no 2nd hand for sale.

K.G.

was at a machinery show a few weeks ago and there was that kubota for 60 k and she looked a fine bus .as i strolled on i came across a similar new holland and enquired of the price which was 12 k more.the question i had will that 12 k difference still be there in 10 years ,ive a feeling that kubota are the hyundai of the tractor market -took a long time to get a grip b ut are a very solid seller now.no notion of buying building job gone seriously over budget

TwoOldBoots

The vast majority of second tractors over 8 years old are way overpriced. A new Tractor may be a big outlay at first but if you spread the cost with a loan over say 5 years while at the same time depreciating its value on the book you'll find that money wise the cost of a new tractor isn't much more than the second hand one. Plus you get the manufacturer Guarantee and have something worth trading in 10 years time
The biggest joke is some of those old Massey ferguson 390s selling for 15k!!! Awful yokes to drive, small cab and they give enough of problems too

Bass Reeves

baz321 wrote: »

I wouldn’t be happy risking 35k on an 8 year old tractor with 5 thousand hours and not know it’s history .id be happier spending a bit more and buy new and have a good tractor for a good few years ..

5K hours are nothing on newer tractors. I have seem case MX110 with nearly 20K hours on them owned by contractors. However a lot depends on what you are doing. Buying a Second hand tractors off a main dealer is expensive but most will stand over the tractor for at least 12 months and not dog you on repairs for 18ish months.

Mtx

Valmets, john deere, fendt and even Steyr are all tractors that hold their value extremely well even with high hours. A valmets with 15k hours will still sell for £12k! At least

X6.430macman

Some of those kubotas and lesser makes if I can call them that look the business imo and have in more cases than not a higher spec for less money than an equivalent jd, mf etc

Grueller

The donedeal ad for the kubota M5-111 states 113 hp. Tractordata states 105 hp. Its only 8 ponies but I have 110 minimum in my head.

I have an outfarm 8 miles away and am farming 135 acres. Do my own slurry, topping, mowing and drawing bales as well as general stockman duties. I want to try have my next purchase future proofed for close on 20 years. Am I right in thinking that 110 is the minimum?

Bass Reeves

Grueller wrote: »

The donedeal ad for the kubota M5-111 states 113 hp. Tractordata states 105 hp. Its only 8 ponies but I have 110 minimum in my head.

I have an outfarm 8 miles away and am farming 135 acres. Do my own slurry, topping, mowing and drawing bales as well as general stockman duties. I want to try have my next purchase future proofed for close on 20 years. Am I right in thinking that 110 is the minimum?

Hard to know how much longer farmers will be allowed to use the splash plate for. If the splash plate is banned will it be viable to buy a dribble bard or trailing shoe outfit to do slurry. It is the real power hungry job that most farmers do. If you eliminated it would the Kubota come back into play

Grueller

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hard to know how much longer farmers will be allowed to use the splash plate for. If the splash plate is banned will it be viable to buy a dribble bard or trailing shoe outfit to do slurry. It is the real power hungry job that most farmers do. If you eliminated it would the Kubota come back into play

Just talking to an agricultural advisor today and he reckons that when the next CAP filters down this could kill the splash plate. As it is those in derogation are not allowed to use it as far as I know. Ten years will certainly see the end of it in my opinion.
It would probably bring it back into play if slurry was gone alright. I haul about 100 silage bales from strong paddocks in from the outfarm. I would like a heavy enough tractor to do that but not if that means I have to spend 20k extra.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hard to know how much longer farmers will be allowed to use the splash plate for. If the splash plate is banned will it be viable to buy a dribble bard or trailing shoe outfit to do slurry. It is the real power hungry job that most farmers do. If you eliminated it would the Kubota come back into play

A neighbour bought a second hand trailing shoe and macerator from the Netherlands for under 3k. He's a mechanic so he would be able for any repairs or other issues but I thought it was very cheap.

tractorporn

Grueller wrote:

The donedeal ad for the kubota M5-111 states 113 hp. Tractordata states 105 hp. Its only 8 ponies but I have 110 minimum in my head.

I was told at the ploughing that the M5-111 Was 113hp anyway

X6.430macman

tractorporn wrote:

I was told at the ploughing that the M5-111 Was 113hp anyway

All these figures on modern machines are usually taken from the engine when it's on a test bed with all air supplied and it doesn't have to drive any electronics whatsoever and no fan or alternator etc to power so you can take it down to 105hp then

maidhc

Mtx wrote: »

Waste of money. Buy one with 3k hours and treated well. As good as a tractor with 100 hours.

Sounds good in theory. But I don’t think those tractors exist. I only know of one such tractor that was traded in by a tidy farmer in the past 20 years. The dealer had a waiting list for that machine!

Don’t send me links to anything you can’t be sure is a genuine Irish tractor and has a service history!

Sometimes new is the only way. At least it is a lifetime job!

crazy_man

maidhc wrote: »

Sounds good in theory. But I don’t think those tractors exist. I only know of one such tractor that was traded in by a tidy farmer in the past 20 years. The dealer had a waiting list for that machine!

Don’t send me links to anything you can’t be sure is a genuine Irish tractor and has a service history!

Sometimes new is the only way. At least it is a lifetime job!

there are tonnes of quality second hand tractors out there which were minded well

i know someone bought a 2003 john deere 6320 premium with 631 loader two years ago , 4500 hours , got it for 34k , i suspect the same tractor is 100 k brand new

a tractor these days new is the price of a small house in most towns

maidhc

crazy_man wrote: »

there are tonnes of quality second hand tractors out there which were minded well

I know someone who bought a similar tractor you refer to but it definitely lost a few hours on the boat on the way over!

There aren’t ‘tonnes’ because no one wants to sell a clean tractor they have from new unless the hours are flying on or they are upgrading or it’s it is a heap.

Reggie.

crazy_man wrote: »

there are tonnes of quality second hand tractors out there which were minded well

i know someone bought a 2003 john deere 6320 premium with 631 loader two years ago , 4500 hours , got it for 34k , i suspect the same tractor is 100 k brand new

a tractor these days new is the price of a small house in most towns

Not too many houses got for 60k around here unfortunately

Bass Reeves

Reggie. wrote: »

Not too many houses got for 60k around here unfortunately

They are there though just like good second hand tractors are there. Friend has bought a house for that kind of money. Rental yield will be about 14%. It is a two bed build in the early noughties.

On newer tractors hours climb up very fast as the minute the tractor key is turned it is clocking hours. lots of hours are clocked up on tractors with tractors doing virtually nothing unless the tractor is owned by a contractor. It all depends on the work you have for that tractor and how big the farm in. In a midsized drystock farm an 70-90Hp tractor will do 70-80% of the work and it is cheaper to get a contractor to do the rest before you factor in time. Tractors like these that are 15-20 years old cost in the 15-25K region depending on hours, and whether they are 2 or 4WD and have a loader or not.

Factor that in against a new tractor with a loader 20-30 HP higher costing maybe 80K+. If you are changing that tractor ever 10 years will it cost you 40K to change. If the payments are spread over the 10 years and the interest rate is 5.5% such a tractor is costing 425/month in repayments.

maidhc

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Factor that in against a new tractor with a loader 20-30 HP higher costing maybe 80K+. If you are changing that tractor ever 10 years will it cost you 40K to change. If the payments are spread over the 10 years and the interest rate is 5.5% such a tractor is costing 425/month in repayments.

Again, that is why there are so few genuine low hour s/h tractors for sale. They are not traded in after 10 years! I have a TS115 from new. It is 17 years old and has 5200hrs on the click. It looks like new and drives like new, but isn’t for sale and never will be.

Bass Reeves

maidhc wrote: »

Again, that is why there are so few genuine low hour s/h tractors for sale. They are not traded in after 10 years! I have a TS115 from new. It is 17 years old and has 5200hrs on the click. It looks like new and drives like new, but isn’t for sale and never will be.

On that age and type of tractor I would consider those hours ultra low. You see a good few of Zetors 2003-2006 in the 65-90HP bracket with 2500-4000 hours trading for 20-26K with a loader. Masseys 1998-2002 in the 80-90HP with 5-6K hours are trading same bracket. Various case and NH tractors as well. Just saw this Steyr this morning it more than likely will be got for sub 20K. You have a loader on it for another 5K.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/steyr-9094/18049808

Biggest thing I look for in a tractor at present is rear lift capibility. With round bales now hitting 800kgs+ you need good lift capibility on the back of atractor to carry two bales behind it.

X6.430macman

Bass Reeves wrote:

Biggest thing I look for in a tractor at present is rear lift capibility. With round bales now hitting 800kgs+ you need good lift capibility on the back of atractor to carry two bales behind it.

95% of 100hp tractors have a lift of at least 4tonne so unless there scrap altogether I wouldn't be worried about that, it's more overall weight and being able to handle them with rearing

Reggie.

X6.430macman wrote: »

95% of 100hp tractors have a lift of at least 4tonne so unless there scrap altogether I wouldn't be worried about that, it's more overall weight and being able to handle them with rearing

+1

Bass Reeves

X6.430macman wrote: »

95% of 100hp tractors have a lift of at least 4tonne so unless there scrap altogether I wouldn't be worried about that, it's more overall weight and being able to handle them with rearing

Not in the 80-90HP bracket and the ability to handle that. For a lot of farmers that handle 2-400 bales this is a requirement. For instance the Massey 42 series only have a lift capibility of around 2 ton so would struggle with two bales if wet. Very hard to get tractor with a lower HP of 100Hp with decent lift capibility pre 2000.

leoch

Way is the lift capacity of a 5455

Bass Reeves

leoch wrote: »

Way is the lift capacity of a 5455

3 ton so borderline to handle the bales from modern balers. AFAIK this is the lift capibility at the actual balls so when weight is out from that it is less. It will lift two bales but if bales get bigger it will struggle

maidhc

Bass Reeves wrote: »

3 ton so borderline to handle the bales from modern balers. AFAIK this is the lift capibility at the actual balls so when weight is out from that it is less. It will lift two bales but if bales get bigger it will struggle

40 series with two rams was up on 7 tons IIRC.

Muckit

Bass I dont think any parttime farmer should be buying a tractor with a requirement to bring 2 bales on the back. Leave that dogging to the contractor.

Ah you'll put in a TAMS application for a silage slab yet.

Im only rising ya but you're a gas man. You'll justify the things you want to do the same as the rest of us even though the figures don't add up.

Bass Reeves

Muckit wrote: »

Bass I dont think any parttime farmer should be buying a tractor with a requirement to bring 2 bales on the back. Leave that dogging to the contractor.

Ah you'll put in a TAMS application for a silage slab yet.

Im only rising ya but you're a gas man. You'll justify the things you want to do the same as the rest of us even though the figures don't add up.

TBH I have hired a lad last year to draw the bales, got rid of the 4WD tractor as well lastyear and when the 60% grant was there for the envoirment I put in a slab use it for the bales an ordinary slab for the bales would have cost more.

But if I was buying a tractor I would be looking at the rear lift capibility rather than the HP

Bass Reeves

maidhc wrote: »

40 series with two rams was up on 7 tons IIRC.

Most that are around have no rams that is the reality