Would you keep your reservation for Model 3 if Elon departed?

Orebro

As the title suggests - I was having a chat last night and we were wondering how much of Teslas success hinges on Elon Musk remaining at the helm.

Would you keep your Model 3 reservation if Elon announced his departure from Tesla today? Would you still have as much interest in a CPO Model S?

Matt Simis

Orebro wrote: »

As the title suggests - I was having a chat last night and we were wondering how much of Teslas success hinges on Elon Musk remaining at the helm.

Would you keep your Model 3 reservation if Elon announced his departure from Tesla today? Would you still have as much interest in a CPO Model S?

You probably should rephrase it as "replaced", not just departed. Im not sure how much he actually does day to day in any of his companies, but as much as I like him, he is a generalist. Replaced him in Tesla (motors) with a motor industry specialist who previously took factory production to 10x scale and it would be terrific for everyone, IMO.

Either way it would be a sad state of affairs were people to drop Tesla orders because of a kind of corporate cult of personality. He is one of 33,000 employees!

jhegarty

Matt Simis wrote: »

You probably should rephrase it as "replaced", not just departed.

There is a more then zero chance he will depart the planet and move to Mars. :P

BoatMad

the more pertinent question is , will RHD Teslas Model 3 arrive before he gets to Mars

Sabre Man

I think the success of Model 3 will happen with or without Elon now that deliveries are picking up, but I also think that the future success of Tesla is to a large extent dependent on him.

Having said that, I also think Franz von Holzhausen and JB Straubel are very important to Tesla.

Shefwedfan

Elon is a PR man's dream.....he is just a front for a company and the US Lap it up and put him on the front of everything.

The thing that will make Tesla a success or not is the Tesla 3, you can start to see shareholders doubt Tesla after a number of failed quarters in terms of delivery. Tesla will live or die based on how many Tesla 3 they can get out the door. Selling a total of 100k motor in 2017 is very very poor....shocking to be honest.

Also Tesla was shiny and new, the new Apple but loads of other startups are suddenly coming and Tesla will start to look old. Then they need to have the ability to sell cars to the "normal" buyer. Not just the exec that wants to look cool at the Golf range.....

A bigger threat to this is the likes of Nio(https://www.nio.io/es8) They are half the price of Tesla X, have announced after the initial launch in China they will sell in the US(no info for Europe). They have massive backing(more than Tesla in term of money) and have a ready made manufacturing offering.

No matter what Trump says the US is no longer a manufacturing country and this could be the exact reason Tesla fails and companies like Nio take the market by storm.....

PR works for a while but shareholders get bored very easy when the numbers dont start adding up and you could see them deciding to flog off Tesla to GM/VW or whoever is the highest bidder if they dont start to meet the targets that Tesla themselves have set

If Tesla can start meeting production numbers I would put deposit down, with or without Elon at the helm.....

liamog

I keep jumping between really wanting a Model 3 and having serious doubts.

I don't want to purchase a car that compromises my experience based on being a better vehicle for ride sharing. The whole open the glovebox via the screen just seems arbitrary.

I also have concerns over the quality of Tesla vehicles.
I know Tesla have a reputation for excellent service, but the amount of in-warranty work Model S and X's seem to need seems really high. The Ioniq was the first time I've bought a brand new car, I haven't needed to bring the car to the garage, there were a couple of recalls but there has been nothing urgent. Are Hyundai's more reliable than any other brand, or are the Tesla YouTube crowd just all very unlucky?

Bigus

Yes unlucky that all Teslas are built in the USA , for now , hence quality issues ..

Matt Simis

Bigus wrote: »

Yes unlucky that all Teslas are built in the USA , for now , hence quality issues ..

Lol harsh!

Orebro

I think it would be devastating for Tesla if he left - he gives massive kudos to the brand. Some famous car industry person well known in pertrolhead circles but a complete unknown to the general population wouldn't be enough to save it.

Vronsky

Bigus wrote: »

Yes unlucky that all Teslas are built in the USA , for now , hence quality issues ..

I thought they manufactured for Europe in the Netherlands?

BobbyBingo

Vronsky wrote: »

I thought they manufactured for Europe in the Netherlands?

Reassembled. Built in Fremont and then dismantled into 3 large sections for reassembly and battery fitting in Tilburg, Netherlands - and that's where mine is right now and I wish they'd hurry the hell up!

Vronsky

BobbyBingo wrote: »

Reassembled. Built in Fremont and then dismantled into 3 large sections for reassembly and battery fitting in Tilburg, Netherlands - and that's where mine is right now and I wish they'd hurry the hell up!

Every day is a school day. Presumably is for customs reasons they do this. Car parts must have a lower tariff than whole cars.

unkel

The same reason there was car assembly back in the day in Ireland (Ford, VW Beetle, etc.) and there still is car assembly / manufacturing of Japanese cars in the UK at a grand scale!

Shefwedfan

At the rate of manufacturing Tesla 3 might miss the boat in Europe... very interesting to see the VW replacement for the eGolf will only be sold in Europe with the ID Crozz getting US release

Looks like a direct attack on Tesla 3. With ordering looking like 2019 and shipping in 2020 unless Tesla get numbers out they will miss the whole European market and VW will start to take over it....

Also Merc I heard earlier are pushing out new range at car launch coming up soon, full electric crossover....I would guess they will price just under Tesla X.....with the Jag also due to be announced very soon the Tesla X will have loads of direct competition, and with proper build quality

Elon or no Elon Tesla might be on a very quick downward spiral.....

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

At the rate of manufacturing Tesla 3 might miss the boat in Europe... very interesting to see the VW replacement for the eGolf will only be sold in Europe with the ID Crozz getting US release

Looks like a direct attack on Tesla 3. With ordering looking like 2019 and shipping in 2020 unless Tesla get numbers out they will miss the whole European market and VW will start to take over it....

Also Merc I heard earlier are pushing out new range at car launch coming up soon, full electric crossover....I would guess they will price just under Tesla X.....with the Jag also due to be announced very soon the Tesla X will have loads of direct competition, and with proper build quality

Elon or no Elon Tesla might be on a very quick downward spiral.....

Your pretty naive to believe that VW crap

I'll bet u 100e that VW will not have that VW ID or whatever they call that vapourware Model 3 competitor on our roads by 2020

They taking crap and have no interest in EV’s

One of the mods can hold the 100e till that time

Easiest money I will ever make

aliveandkicking

Shefwedfan wrote: »

At the rate of manufacturing Tesla 3 might miss the boat in Europe... very interesting to see the VW replacement for the eGolf will only be sold in Europe with the ID Crozz getting US release

Looks like a direct attack on Tesla 3. With ordering looking like 2019 and shipping in 2020 unless Tesla get numbers out they will miss the whole European market and VW will start to take over it....

Also Merc I heard earlier are pushing out new range at car launch coming up soon, full electric crossover....I would guess they will price just under Tesla X.....with the Jag also due to be announced very soon the Tesla X will have loads of direct competition, and with proper build quality

Elon or no Elon Tesla might be on a very quick downward spiral.....

PhilG took a lot of flak in another thread for calling out fanboys on this forum but I can't blame him really. I'll never understand loyalty to a particular manufacturer, surely it's best to always be open to innovation and go with what's the best at a particular time? Sometimes it will be VW, sometimes it will be Hyundai, Nissan, Tesla, BMW etc. The above post (and others for example on the Netflix thread) just read like you are willing to defend/promote VW at all costs even in the face of logic and reason.

For my own part, I'm a huge admirer of Tesla but I'm not blind to their flaws. Poor build quality is a big issue for them, likewise ramping up production for the 3 will make or break them. Personally I'm well on board with their vision but if they don't make it so be it.

As ordinary Joes taking sides at this stage is particularly ridiculous. Anyone rooting for a particular manufacturer over another when it comes to electric vehicles is a twat in my opinion. All manufacturers making electric vehicles should be applauded right now. Take sides when EV's are a majority of the market if you want. Right now it's just stupid.

Shefwedfan

aliveandkicking wrote: »

PhilG took a lot of flak in another thread for calling out fanboys on this forum but I can't blame him really. I'll never understand loyalty to a particular manufacturer, surely it's best to always be open to innovation and go with what's the best at a particular time? Sometimes it will be VW, sometimes it will be Hyundai, Nissan, Tesla, BMW etc. The above post (and others for example on the Netflix thread) just read like you are willing to defend/promote VW at all costs even in the face of logic and reason.

For my own part, I'm a huge admirer of Tesla but I'm not blind to their flaws. Poor build quality is a big issue for them, likewise ramping up production for the 3 will make or break them. Personally I'm well on board with their vision but if they don't make it so be it.

As ordinary Joes taking sides at this stage is particularly ridiculous. Anyone rooting for a particular manufacturer over another when it comes to electric vehicles is a twat in my opinion. All manufacturers making electric vehicles should be applauded right now. Take sides when EV's are a majority of the market if you want. Right now it's just stupid.

By the looks of it the European car manufactuers(VW, Jag, Merc) have got their act together.

All of the main manufacturer will have rival cars launch and available in Europe before Tesla can get any large numbers into Europe. People will go else where.

I doubt to see a Merc coming to market, electric or not, with the poor build quality that Tesla are sending out their S & X models.

If they do get act together I think it is great. I would go out this morning and buy a Tesla 3, so would about 20 other people I know. The problem is we can't and really it is Tesla problem.

If the other manufacturers get an option out first I will potentially buy that, but probably on a PCP over 4 years. Like most people, at the end of those 4 years if Tesla have missed the boat in Europe they could be just a ninche US car maker.....

I have no major loyalty of any manufactuer, I have owned Nissan, VW, Audi, BMW, Ford, Nissan, Saab. Of all of those my favorite was the Saab but it's a bit hard to drive any version of them:D

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

Your pretty naive to believe that VW crap

I'll bet u 100e that VW will not have that VW ID or whatever they call that vapourware Model 3 competitor on our roads by 2020

They taking crap and have no interest in EV’s

One of the mods can hold the 100e till that time

Easiest money I will ever make

Keep the 100, I think you need it alot more than I do......sure you can put it towards that car you are going to buy when you get a drivers license

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Keep the 100, I think you need it alot more than I do......sure you can put it towards that car you are going to buy when you get a drivers license

Thought so old man