CAP facing 30% cuts, Farmers face ruination.

Doltanian

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/eu/farmers-face-cuts-of-up-to-30pc-in-farm-payments-as-eu-considers-its-budget-36603725.html

Unelected Brussels bureaucrats plan to slash farmers income by 30% in a new post Brexit budget. Something has to pay for the Leftwing SJW agenda being driven by the EU which has seen millions of economic migrants flood the continent where they are granted access to welfare and housing, healthcare etc.

Personally I think we should leave the EU, we pay in far more than we receive and the state exchequer can afford to pay the full cost of the EU farm subsidies and EU membership have been a total disaster for both farmers and non farmers in my opinion. Farmers in the UK backed Brexit by an overwhelming majority. The most important thing for us as farmers is that we leave the EU and these types of cuts are totally unacceptable. Our young people have been decimated by the freedom of movement and migrant labour must be stopped and end the race to the bottom.

larthehar

Doltanian wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/eu/farmers-face-cuts-of-up-to-30pc-in-farm-payments-as-eu-considers-its-budget-36603725.html

Unelected Brussels bureaucrats plan to slash farmers income by 30% in a new post Brexit budget. Something has to pay for the Leftwing SJW agenda being driven by the EU which has seen millions of economic migrants flood the continent where they are granted access to welfare and housing, healthcare etc.

Personally I think we should leave the EU, we pay in far more than we receive and the state exchequer can afford to pay the full cost of the EU farm subsidies and EU membership have been a total disaster for both farmers and non farmers in my opinion. Farmers in the UK backed Brexit by an overwhelming majority. The most important thing for us as farmers is that we leave the EU and these types of cuts are totally unacceptable. Our young people have been decimated by the freedom of movement and migrant labour must be stopped and end the race to the bottom.

It is a problem that CAP is going to be cut with no plans for sustainability or to recieve a fait price for our produce. We have been a net receiver from the EU afaik to the sum of about 40billion.. leaving would wind us back a few years because god knows we can.t come up with that kind of money ourselves. On the other hand the UK has been a net contributor hence part of the reason for Brexit..

Donnielighto

Considering cap is a support it isn't paying for any immigrants.

Tbh farm sizes in Ireland are too small, this should cause amalgamation.

adam14

Many of us here will not be farming in 10 years. Part time farmers will be a thing of the past. While it might not be a 30% cut as indicated there certainly will be a cut which will mean the end for most.

Buford T. Justice XIX

It's an opening statement of possible solutions that the EU are looking at.

Like any negotiating position, you start much further away from where you would like to end up and concede ground as the other party concedes ground. So from that point of view, I have no worries as yet as the final position will be much different from that proposal.

Grueller

adam14 wrote: »

Many of us here will not be farming in 10 years. Part time farmers will be a thing of the past. While it might not be a 30% cut as indicated there certainly will be a cut which will mean the end for most.

I disagree. It is the sub 100 - 120 acre farmer tgat is full time that will find it hardest to survive. The part timer will have his wages anyway sure so whether he makes a little or 70% of a little is of less consequence.

wrangler

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It's an opening statement of possible solutions that the EU are looking at.

Like any negotiating position, you start much further away from where you would like to end up and concede ground as the other party concedes ground. So from that point of view, I have no worries as yet as the final position will be much different from that proposal.

That was one of the proposals for the last CAP reform too and some of the Irish budget going to Eastern europe as well
Be a lot of changes before it finishes

kevthegaff

Changes around here lately, lads are running for cover. Few tillage guys and beef lads renting out the land achieving 250+ acre tax free. Maybe we the full time farmers are the sicker that will be left?

Siamsa Sessions

Let the posing and posturing officially begin!

I’d like to see stats for how much Ireland pays to EC and gets in return. I’m guessing “it’s complicated” would be putting it mildly.

I saw one instance of research funding in the UK. The Brexiters said the €1bn that the UK paid to the EC towards their research budget would now be pumped directly into research in the UK. But they didn’t realize the UK gets €1.3bn in research funding from the EC.

Anyway, just an example of how Brussels isn’t always to blame.

Whether CAP is cut or not, the bigger issue is the unequal distribution of whatever funding is available. Same as Irish Government budget - whether it’s up or down, there’s always plenty for certain sectors and nothing for others.

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Let the posing and posturing officially begin!

I’d like to see stats for how much Ireland pays to EC and gets in return. I’m guessing “it’s complicated” would be putting it mildly.

I saw one instance of research funding in the UK. The Brexiters said the €1bn that the UK paid to the EC towards their research budget would now be pumped directly into research in the UK. But they didn’t realize the UK gets €1.3bn in research funding from the EC.

Anyway, just an example of how Brussels isn’t always to blame.

Whether CAP is cut or not, the bigger issue is the unequal distribution of whatever funding is available. Same as Irish Government budget - whether it’s up or down, there’s always plenty for certain sectors and nothing for others.

I hope you're not going after us ''slipper farmers''' are you

Siamsa Sessions

wrangler wrote: »

I hope you're not going after us ''slipper farmers''' are you

No, not for a second. I’ve other big receivers of funds in mind and since they form a large part of “our main representative body”, then they’ll be top of the queue again

TwoOldBoots

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It's an opening statement of possible solutions that the EU are looking at.

Like any negotiating position, you start much further away from where you would like to end up and concede ground as the other party concedes ground. So from that point of view, I have no worries as yet as the final position will be much different from that proposal.

Thats only wishful thinking of a naive man.
With the British no longer paying in the shortfall is massive. A 30% cut may be a good deal yet

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

No, not for a second. I’ve other big receivers of funds in mind and since they form a large part of “our main representative body”, then they’ll be top of the queue again

Where do you stop, there's farmers or their partners getting six figure salaries....should they be gettting €50000 BPS
It should be going to active farmers, even if they are ranchers.
Unfortunately, just because there's a bigger enterprise, it doesn't mean it's making anymore money,
poor margin is poor margin no matter how much the multiplier is,
Getting to the stage then of having to employ help turns it into a complete nonrunner.

Getting an extra €100+/acre renting out entitlements will have to be changed post 2020 too

listermint

Ah great another in a litany of posts from the anti EU trying to drum up support for the idiotic brexit nonsense carcrash that going on across the water.


No thanks doltonian, your multitude of started threads with similar themes are very telling.

And tbh very miserable. Find an outlet will ya

Nobbies

farmer's face ruination? not a word about it.I heard that crack twenty years ago.I believe I am as afarmer financially better off today from being in the e.u. as for the farmer's in England voting in the main to leave the e.u.that may well be the case?many farm's in england now are very large scale and may see e.u membership as holding them back re. regulations and free trade in non Eu countries, so by and large not comparable with Irelands family farming in the main.how else could agriculture departments in all e.u countries justify staff levels if there wasn't lots of minion farmer's making a living of the land.i can't see a whole pile of change going forward.

Base price

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Let the posing and posturing officially begin!

I’d like to see stats for how much Ireland pays to EC and gets in return. I’m guessing “it’s complicated” would be putting it mildly.

I saw one instance of research funding in the UK. The Brexiters said the €1bn that the UK paid to the EC towards their research budget would now be pumped directly into research in the UK. But they didn’t realize the UK gets €1.3bn in research funding from the EC.

Anyway, just an example of how Brussels isn’t always to blame.

Whether CAP is cut or not, the bigger issue is the unequal distribution of whatever funding is available. Same as Irish Government budget - whether it’s up or down, there’s always plenty for certain sectors and nothing for others.

I remember hearing a Scientist from DCU on the radio one morning (RTE from memory) a couple of years ago where she had studied the economic value that other EU member States gained from the Irish Box (sea fisheries) after we joined the EEC in '73 -
Apparently if the value of those catches are taken into account then after Germany, Ireland is the next largest indirect contributor to the EU.
As I have posted before - at that time (when joining the EEC) our sea farmers were unfortunately cut short by a belief that land farming was more important at that time.
Time moves on and here we are 45 years later and Marine species are in decline with over fishing whilst been infiltrated with micro plastics

Siamsa Sessions

Base price wrote: »

I remember hearing a Scientist from DCU on the radio one morning (RTE from memory) a couple of years ago where she had studied the economic value that other EU member States gained from the Irish Box (sea fisheries) after we joined the EEC in '73 -
Apparently if the value of those catches are taken into account then after Germany, Ireland is the next largest indirect contributor to the EU.
As I have posted before - at that time (when joining the EEC) our sea farmers were unfortunately cut short by a belief that land farming was more important at that time.
Time moves on and here we are 45 years later and Marine species are in decline with over fishing whilst been infiltrated with micro plastics

Agree 100% - Irish fishermen were completely sold out, as were all Irish citizens over the bank bailouts (though that decision was made in Frankfurt rather than Brussels)

I should have been clearer in my comment - I meant “it’s complicated” regarding what Irish farmers received.

We’re twice removed from Europe here and have suffered from lack of “networking”. The top-down stuff from Brussels might be the start of the Dept jumping on lads heads here, but the country as a whole benefits from trading, sharing ideas, etc. with other ordinary citizens from across Europe.

Siamsa Sessions

Plenty details here on where the CAP money is going: https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/special-report-top-cap-recipients--irish-farmers-receive-16bn-under-several-eu-agriculture-schemes-424902.html

This quote from the article stands out: "The analysis shows most of the top earners are co-operatives, leader partnerships, community development organisations, farm businesses and even one State body, Bord Bia."

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Plenty details here on where the CAP money is going: https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/special-report-top-cap-recipients--irish-farmers-receive-16bn-under-several-eu-agriculture-schemes-424902.html

This quote from the article stands out: "The analysis shows most of the top earners are co-operatives, leader partnerships, community development organisations, farm businesses and even one State body, Bord Bia."

Wouldn't those organisations be funding grants for businesses, being Public Services it probably wastes a lot of money , but sure it gets money into the rural areas.
I helped a guy organise a grant for a small business, leader were very helpful it nearly funded the whole thing

sea12

Doltanian wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/eu/farmers-face-cuts-of-up-to-30pc-in-farm-payments-as-eu-considers-its-budget-36603725.html

Unelected Brussels bureaucrats plan to slash farmers income by 30% in a new post Brexit budget. Something has to pay for the Leftwing SJW agenda being driven by the EU which has seen millions of economic migrants flood the continent where they are granted access to welfare and housing, healthcare etc.

Personally I think we should leave the EU, we pay in far more than we receive and the state exchequer can afford to pay the full cost of the EU farm subsidies and EU membership have been a total disaster for both farmers and non farmers in my opinion. Farmers in the UK backed Brexit by an overwhelming majority. The most important thing for us as farmers is that we leave the EU and these types of cuts are totally unacceptable. Our young people have been decimated by the freedom of movement and migrant labour must be stopped and end the race to the bottom.

Welcome to boards Nigel