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IF....THEN

  • 13-02-2018 3:43pm
    #1
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    If kids were taught how to think in a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way then there would be no religion, atheism or agnosticism... PERIOD...


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  • #2
    magicbastarder
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    citation required.


  • #3
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    citation required.

    It's not a fact, just an opinion, after studying the evolution of religions and the need for answers...


  • #4
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    RichieO wrote: »
    If kids were taught how to think in a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way then there would be no religion, atheism or agnosticism... PERIOD...
    What would there be then......?


  • #5
    Novalee Slimy Teacher
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Novalee Slimy Teacher


    period is it now


  • #6
    Ajsoprano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Ajsoprano


    What does it all matter. People will find some other reason to fight each other, judge each other hate each other.

    They’ll find positions of power, access to children and ways to stay in the closet.

    Things to do before football matches to boost sponsorship potential.

    Some might say it’s easier to spot them now.


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  • #7
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,358 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Ajsoprano wrote: »
    What does it all matter. People will find some other reason to fight each other, judge each other hate each other.

    Perhaps but that is no reason not to reduce it, or attempt to, all the same. I believe people are generally good, and will stay good when allowed to.

    But when we share a common reality it is much easier to reason people out of hate and judgement. We do not achieve this 100% of the time of course, but it is still easier.

    But when we do not share a common reality, because some people subscribe to unsubstantiated nonsense, the potential for resolution and common ground is much smaller.

    Worse, unsubstantiated nonsense can lead good people to do BAD things. The example that always jumps to my mind is that of the parents who watch their own children die, often painfully, of relatively easy to treat medical conditions. It is pretty much ONLY through the derangement caused by things like religion that we can motivate a loving parent to murderous levels of "love" to create horrors like that.

    Perhaps it is all doomed to failure who knows. But I have never seen pessimism as an excuse not to at least ATTEMPT to do the right thing.


  • #8
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    IF Science cannot fully explain the origin of the universe THEN...


  • #9
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    What would there be then......?

    Everything else but religion, atheism or agnosticism, also a more boring and less quarrelsome, argumentative and belligerent world...


  • #10
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    bluewolf wrote: »
    period is it now

    Period as in "full stop"


  • #11
    robindch
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    ^^^ warrior00 is taking a short break from the forum to hyperventilate with a warm mug of cocoa in a location of his or her choosing for the above, plus one other now-deleted thread.


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  • #12
    magicbastarder
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    RichieO wrote: »
    It's not a fact, just an opinion, after studying the evolution of religions and the need for answers...
    to be fair, your phrasing suggests you're stating it as fact.
    what cultures have you found in your studies, where religion was simply not present, and clearly linked to the education policies of the same culture?


  • #13
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    RichieO wrote: »
    Everything else but religion, atheism or agnosticism, also a more boring and less quarrelsome, argumentative and belligerent world...
    Religion (belief in god/s), atheism (disbelief in god/s), agnosticism (open to proof one way or another).

    I think that pretty much covers everything from firm belief to firm disbelief and anything in between. What else us there on the gnostic/agnostic, theist/atheist scales?

    If we didn't have religion we would still find something to disagree / argue / fight / go to war over. From which end of a boiled egg to open, to nationalism, resources, etc...


  • #14
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    RichieO wrote: »
    If kids were taught how to think in a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way then there would be no religion, atheism or agnosticism... PERIOD...
    magicbastarder wrote: »
    citation required.
    RichieO wrote: »
    It's not a fact, just an opinion, after studying the evolution of religions and the need for answers...
    If RichieO had been taught how to think a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way then he would not be offering his opinion as a fact.

    Indeed, if he has been so taught he would not hold this opinion. Logically, if there is no religion, then doesn't atheism prevail universally by default?


  • #15
    magicbastarder
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    yeah, there's a fantastic whiff of shooting oneself in the foot, off this thread.


  • #16
    Niska
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭Niska


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    IF Science cannot fully explain the origin of the universe THEN...

    call doMoreScience;

    ELSE
    boolean scienceFinished = true;

    END IF


  • #17
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    If RichieO had been taught how to think a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way then he would not be offering his opinion as a fact.

    Indeed, if he has been so taught he would not hold this opinion. Logically, if there is no religion, then doesn't atheism prevail universally by default?

    If god had never been created why would there be a word to oppose it and how could anyone be undecided?

    So yes, atheism would be the default position, only it would called normal...


  • #18
    sbsquarepants
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    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    IF Science cannot fully explain the origin of the universe THEN...

    .........magic



    Yea, sounds perfectly reasonable to me;)


  • #19
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    RichieO wrote: »
    If god had never been created why would there be a word to oppose it and how could anyone be undecided?

    So yes, atheism would be the default position, only it would called normal...
    If you thought in a a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way, RichieO, you wouldn't confuse "there would be no word 'Atheism'" and "there would be no atheism".


  • #20
    magicbastarder
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    If you thought in a a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way, RichieO, you wouldn't confuse "there would be no word 'Atheism'" and "there would be no atheism".
    RichieO is clearly a Believer.


  • #21
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    If you thought in a a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way, RichieO, you wouldn't confuse "there would be no word 'Atheism'" and "there would be no atheism".

    I never made that claim, I know I don't, but I do try to aspire to it, although I wish I did think in a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way, then I could explain better and defend myself from attack on every post from pedantic nitpickers, who always miss the point...


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  • #22
    RichieO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭RichieO


    Anyone who really wants to improve their thinking might gain something from this site....

    http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766


  • #23
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    RichieO wrote: »
    I never made that claim, I know I don't, but I do try to aspire to it, although I wish I did think in a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way, then I could explain better and defend myself from attack on every post from pedantic nitpickers, who always miss the point...
    The point is that you offered a rather juvenile statement of faith as though it were objective fact, and you're having the piss taken out of you for doing so. Which was pretty much foreseeable by anyone thinking think in a clear, critical, logical, reasoning way.


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