Freddie C. - 'The Immigrant Smuggler'

Treelog80

Was 4 years 'time', really worth it for some easy notes??





Source: RTE News.


An Aer Lingus worker who helped to smuggle illegal immigrants through Dublin Airport has been sentenced to four years in jail.

Frederick Cham, 63, from Hazelhatch in Co Kildare, pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to nine charges relating to the illegal entry of seven people into the country.


Following sentence, Mr Gillane said his client would like to publicly apologise for his crimes.

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Hitman3000

Treelog80 wrote:

Was 4 years 'time', really worth it for some easy notes??

He didn't expect to get caught.

Treelog80

I suppose he thought that, yeh.

A natural 'gambler' so...

Conall Cernach

From: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html

The Minister for Justice and Equality can revoke your certificate of naturalisation if:
....
You have, through an overt act, failed in your duty of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State ....

Any chance that this could be used to revoke his citizenship?

yosser hughes

Conall Cernach wrote: »

From: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html



Any chance that this could be used to revoke his citizenship?

It should be. How did her get to become a citizen here in the first place? He just moved to Ireland. From China. No problem.
Who knows how many people he smuggled in over the years.
4 years is very light

stuff.hunter

7 people my a$$, 77 more likely...

screamer

I think it's a long time for a crime that's not too serious. Compared to the jokes of sentences for murder, rape and child abuse it is harsh for the crime.

yosser hughes

screamer wrote: »

I think it's a long time for a crime that's not too serious. Compared to the jokes of sentences for murder, rape and child abuse it is harsh for the crime.

Not too serious? We don't know how many people he smuggled in over the years or what became of them. They could have been sold in to prostitution, forced labour in grow houses, anything

SEPT 23 1989

I wonder was he the fall guy for a bigger scam operating out of there

Only a wet week in the job and he is running the scam unknown to anyone else

I doubt it

stuff.hunter

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wonder was he the fall guy for a bigger scam operating out of there

Only a wet week in the job and he is running the scam unknown to anyone else

I doubt it

well said, guess triads doing well in here laundering cash in all these shops and casinos

SEPT 23 1989

stuff.hunter wrote: »

well said, guess triads doing well in here laundering cash in all these shops and casinos

I wasn't talking about any of his fellow countrymen

stuff.hunter

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I wasn't talking about any of his fellow countrymen

thanks for clarifying

screamer

yosser hughes wrote: »

screamer wrote: »

I think it's a long time for a crime that's not too serious. Compared to the jokes of sentences for murder, rape and child abuse it is harsh for the crime.

Not too serious? We don't know how many people he smuggled in over the years or what became of them. They could have been sold in to prostitution, forced labour in grow houses, anything

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things it's a serious crime.....

stuff.hunter

screamer wrote: »

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things it's a serious crime.....

what about hypothetical jihadjohnny smuggled in and blowing himself on O'Connell street? just my thoughts

Hitman3000

screamer wrote:

I think it's a long time for a crime that's not too serious. Compared to the jokes of sentences for murder, rape and child abuse it is harsh for the crime.

He got 4 years, the lad that smuggled in garlic before appeal got 6 years.

Richard Hillman

Hitman3000 wrote: »

He got 4 years, the lad that smuggled in garlic before appeal got 6 years.

Same judge too

Treelog80

('Frederick's Thought Of The Day')...

"What's this compared to what they do in The Mile High Club?"

mcmoustache

Conall Cernach wrote: »

From: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html



Any chance that this could be used to revoke his citizenship?

This should be used a lot more, in my opinion.

jeffy jefferies

Hopefully his citizenship will be revoked and he will be deported back to where ever.

BattleCorp

screamer wrote: »

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things it's a serious crime.....

Ah it is a serious crime though. He could have been smuggling anybody into the country. Great way for terrorists etc. to be smuggled into the country.

You might think differently if one of the people he smuggled into the country raped or killed your wife/husband/child etc.

Mutant z

screamer wrote: »

I think it's a long time for a crime that's not too serious. Compared to the jokes of sentences for murder, rape and child abuse it is harsh for the crime.

really you dont regard people smuggling as that serious a crime.

jeffy jefferies

Mutant z wrote: »

really you dont regard people smuggling as that serious a crime.

I suspect he'd have a problem if they were Israeli / Jewish.

jeffy jefferies

screamer wrote: »

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things it's a serious crime.....

Is that you Peter Sutherland?

Donald Trump

Ah leave them alone yiz bastards

yosser hughes

screamer wrote: »

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things it's a serious crime.....

You either don't fully understand the implications of people smuggling or you don't care.
Both positions are unforgivable in this day and age. No excuse for wilful ignorance.

jeffy jefferies

yosser hughes wrote: »

You either don't fully understand the implications of people smuggling or you don't care.
Both positions are unforgivable in this day and age. No excuse for wilful ignorance.

There is a push from certain quarters for 'open borders' so I think he does understand the implications and is happy for them to happen.

andekwarhola

Calling himself a micky mouse operator that did it for pints was funny and possibly worth a sentence reduction to be fair.

Hitman3000

andekwarhola wrote:

Calling himself a micky mouse operator that did it for pints was funny and possibly worth a sentence reduction to be fair.

Having the neck to assume a judge should believe that b.s. calls for an increased sentence to be fair.

andekwarhola

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Having the neck to assume a judge should believe that b.s. calls for an increased sentence to be fair.

I'd have given him a year off for it, to be fair.

It's probably for the best that I never considered a judicial career.

Chrongen

yosser hughes wrote: »

Not too serious? We don't know how many people he smuggled in over the years or what became of them. They could have been sold in to prostitution, forced labour in grow houses, anything

I initially thought that 4 years was extremely harsh a sentence for facilitating people getting into the country illegally as I'm guessing they would just pay him and then go work in some kitchen in a chinese restaurant peeling carrots and onions and washing pots. It's hardly a violent crime or a danger to the public considering you have fuckers with 70+ previous convictions getting 6 month suspended sentences for assault and battery and shit like that.
If, however, he was part of a human trafficking ring where the people he granted entry to were held against their will then that changes the complexion of the case significantly.

weldoninhio

Chrongen wrote: »

I initially thought that 4 years was extremely harsh a sentence for facilitating people getting into the country illegally as I'm guessing they would just pay him and then go work in some kitchen in a chinese restaurant peeling carrots and onions and washing pots. It's hardly a violent crime or a danger to the public considering you have fuckers with 70+ previous convictions getting 6 month suspended sentences for assault and battery and shit like that.
If, however, he was part of a human trafficking ring where the people he granted entry to were held against their will then that changes the complexion of the case significantly.

There is a family in Japan still coming to terms with the aftermath of someone getting into this country illegally. The best and brightest don't generally use nefarious means to enter another country.

yosser hughes

Chrongen wrote: »

I initially thought that 4 years was extremely harsh a sentence for facilitating people getting into the country illegally as I'm guessing they would just pay him and then go work in some kitchen in a chinese restaurant peeling carrots and onions and washing pots. It's hardly a violent crime or a danger to the public considering you have fuckers with 70+ previous convictions getting 6 month suspended sentences for assault and battery and shit like that.
If, however, he was part of a human trafficking ring where the people he granted entry to were held against their will then that changes the complexion of the case significantly.

You see, this is a classic example of wooly,liberal attitudes to immigration. Legal or otherwise. It's all so good and happy clappy yet all so vague.
Failing to consider the implications of this actually puts people at risk of exploitation.
At the same time, people who really need help get a raw deal.

El Weirdo

screamer wrote: »

I think it's a long time for a crime that's not too serious. Compared to the jokes of sentences for murder, rape and child abuse it is harsh for the crime.

Everyone convicted of murder in this country receives a life sentence.

/pedant

Jimbob1977

It was done to fund his Cham-pagne lifestyle