Aftermarket parts question

NeVeR

Hi.

Are after market parts really bad for cars ?

Are there certain parts you'd never use after market parts for ?

I've Hyundai i40 and I'm gonna get it serviced and need break pads and wiper blades .. so wondering about cheaper parts.

Thanks

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

The only difference with after market parts and parts from the main dealer is the box they come in

One box may say Delphi where the other will say Hyundai but are infact the same part


Companies like Delphi etc make the parts for main dealers when it comes to brakes etc.

Wipers are pretty generic anyway but a good set of Bosch or valeo will do you good there

drunkmonkey

There not very expensive items, buy the best wipers you can http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/36172/best-wiper-blades-2018-group-test

wexie

NeVeR wrote: »

Hi.

Are after market parts really bad for cars ?

Are there certain parts you'd never use after market parts for ?

I've Hyundai i40 and I'm gonna get it serviced and need break pads and wiper blades .. so wondering about cheaper parts.

Thanks

Have a think about this, if after market parts were always bad for cars....where did this whole industry come from? How come it's sustaining itself rather than being mired in lawsuits left right and center? And we're not reading about people being killed by malfunctioning cars due to aftermarket parts all the time?

In many cases the 'after market parts' come from the exact same factories as the brand parts, sometimes are even the exact same part just without the logo and main dealer price.

I'd imagine (depending on who you ask) there are definitely parts where original is better (or even there aren't any after market parts available). And as with everything there are good and not so good after market parts and brands.

Certainly when it comes to brake discs and (especially) wipers there is absolutely no reason you couldn't buy after market.

Just don't buy 'Joe's discount discs' like

CiniO

NeVeR wrote: »

Hi.

Are after market parts really bad for cars ?

Are there certain parts you'd never use after market parts for ?

I've Hyundai i40 and I'm gonna get it serviced and need break pads and wiper blades .. so wondering about cheaper parts.

Thanks

Very likely you'll be able to get better quality brake pads and wiper blades from after market range, then from main dealer. Possibly cheaper as well.

NeVeR

Thanks lads.

Some great points there.

Regarding tyres .. I'm gonna get 4 new ones .. what are good makes that don't cost too much and are there garages around Tallaght fitting them.

Thanks

wexie

NeVeR wrote: »

Thanks lads.

Some great points there.

Regarding tyres .. I'm gonna get 4 new ones .. what are good makes that don't cost too much and are there garages around Tallaght fitting them.

Thanks

When it comes to tires I would spend as much as I could afford rather than as little as I could get away with. (but that's just my personal choice).

Lots of good and respectable manufacturers out there.

Goodyear
Pirelli
Hankook
Michelin
Cooper
General
Continental
Kumho
Bridgestone
Dunlop
Toyo

Just to name a few. Have a look here for ideas of prices :

https://www.eiretyres.com

JohnBoy26

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

The only difference with after market parts and parts from the main dealer is the box they come in

One box may say Delphi where the other will say Hyundai but are infact the same part


Companies like Delphi etc make the parts for main dealers when it comes to brakes etc.

Wipers are pretty generic anyway but a good set of Bosch or valeo will do you good there

Not true at all. Now in seldom cases companies like blueprint will re box a genuine main dealer part but the part will still have the oe plastic packaging and label. This is a genuine part being sold as aftermarket for aftermarket prices.

Aftermarket parts in most cases are not the same quality as the genuine equivalent but in terms of pads and wipers good quality aftermarket parts are available, as are poor quality. It all depends on the brand.

CJhaughey

I agree with Johnboy Aftermarket stuff is not the same as OEM, it may be in rare cases but generally the OEM stuff is much higher quality and subject to testing that aftermarket stuff doesn't get.
Brake pads and discs are a pretty subjective thing but in my experience OEM stuff performs better than many aftermarket stuff and lasts longer.
The same goes for things like Lambda sensors NTK make OEM Toyota stuff and put it in a Toyota Box but the part is stamped NTK. They don't perform the same as the OEM part.
It could be the quality control is much higher on the OEM parts than the aftermarket ones I am not sure?
Things like Droplinks are a good example, OEM Honda last for a very long time, put in Swag and they lasted no time.
They might say Bilstein group but that doesn't mean its good quality.

khaldrogo

I actually stopped fitting Bosal 02 sensors to Toyotas years ago as there were just too many coming back with the same fault.........fit the OE and faults go...........only ever an issue with Toyotas for me

CJhaughey wrote:

I agree with Johnboy Aftermarket stuff is not the same as OEM, it may be in rare cases but generally the OEM stuff is much higher quality and subject to testing that aftermarket stuff doesn't get. Brake pads and discs are a pretty subjective thing but in my experience OEM stuff performs better than many aftermarket stuff and lasts longer. The same goes for things like Lambda sensors NTK make OEM Toyota stuff and put it in a Toyota Box but the part is stamped NTK. They don't perform the same as the OEM part. It could be the quality control is much higher on the OEM parts than the aftermarket ones I am not sure? Things like Droplinks are a good example, OEM Honda last for a very long time, put in Swag and they lasted no time. They might say Bilstein group but that doesn't mean its good quality.

khaldrogo

Just to say also, from many years in various main dealers.........if they don't have the part in stock and need it that day they will use a motor factor for it and charge you the OE price......in my experience

Kenny Logins

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

The only difference with after market parts and parts from the main dealer is the box they come in

Only in some cases. You will find a lot of cheap rubbish too.

robtri

also depending on the aftermarket part.... you can get a lot better part...

there are plenty of aftermarket parts that are better than OEM, and there are a lot of aftermarket parts that are worse than OEM..

like everything do your research and find the part that suits your needs and performance specs

OldmanMondeo

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Not true at all. Now in seldom cases companies like blueprint will re box a genuine main dealer part but the part will still have the oe plastic packaging and label. This is a genuine part being sold as aftermarket for aftermarket prices.

Aftermarket parts in most cases are not the same quality as the genuine equivalent but in terms of pads and wipers good quality aftermarket parts are available, as are poor quality. It all depends on the brand.

Nope.... Many major manufactures make parts for both Car building and also for aftermarket sales, companies like Bosch, Ferodo, Siemens, Denso, LUK, Sachs etc. For aftermarket sales the OE numbers put on the parts are removed.

But there are many reboxing companies like Blueprint and Febi who by parts rebox them and sell as aftermarket, these are lucky bags, you might get an OE part or you might get something a lot cheaper.

OldmanMondeo

CJhaughey wrote: »

I agree with Johnboy Aftermarket stuff is not the same as OEM, it may be in rare cases but generally the OEM stuff is much higher quality and subject to testing that aftermarket stuff doesn't get.
Brake pads and discs are a pretty subjective thing but in my experience OEM stuff performs better than many aftermarket stuff and lasts longer.
The same goes for things like Lambda sensors NTK make OEM Toyota stuff and put it in a Toyota Box but the part is stamped NTK. They don't perform the same as the OEM part.
It could be the quality control is much higher on the OEM parts than the aftermarket ones I am not sure?
Things like Droplinks are a good example, OEM Honda last for a very long time, put in Swag and they lasted no time.
They might say Bilstein group but that doesn't mean its good quality.

Quite a lot of OEM manufactures will have a premium and budget brand, Swag would be the budget brand for Bilstein. Not everyone will pay the premium price therefore it is good business to product both.

With regard to the actual OE parts, these are usually the premium brand so quality checks would be the same, they come off a machine and one might direct for car manufacture and the other into a box for after market sale.

JohnBoy26

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Nope.... Many major manufactures make parts for both Car building and also for aftermarket sales, companies like Bosch, Ferodo, Siemens, Denso, LUK, Sachs etc. For aftermarket sales the OE numbers put on the parts are removed.

But there are many reboxing companies like Blueprint and Febi who by parts rebox them and sell as aftermarket, these are lucky bags, you might get an OE part or you might get something a lot cheaper.

Those are still aftermarket parts despite being from the same manufacturers. In some cases there is quality differences between the oe part and a similar part from the same manufacturer. Not that any of the above brands are bad or anything.

toyotafan

It depends on parts you need. I would purchase an alternator from Denso priced €170 rather than €400 from the main dealer as I know Denso make this for Toyota. However, I should buy a set of piston rings or break pad from the main dealer as I dont know which company make this for Toyota and that they are critical parts for my car. So it depends. OEM parts are not necessarry always expensive.

JohnBoy26

khaldrogo wrote: »

Just to say also, from many years in various main dealers.........if they don't have the part in stock and need it that day they will use a motor factor for it and charge you the OE price......in my experience

If they are charging you genuine parts prices for aftermarket stuff then you need to go to a different main dealer.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

But to point out aswell to back up what I was saying

I've often , when I was working in a generic motor garage , non main dealer , have often gone out for parts to motor factors and distributers and there nearly be always mechanics from main dealers in getting parts too

Or often you'd see parts being delivered to main dealers from non branded vans, if you ever look at what's being delivered to then it's blue print / Delphi products.

For things like general servicing I'd say most main dealers don't order from themselves , they'd order from the same place as atlas or advanced pit stop etc.

JohnBoy26

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

But to point out aswell to back up what I was saying

I've often , when I was working in a generic motor garage , non main dealer , have often gone out for parts to motor factors and distributers and there nearly be always mechanics from main dealers in getting parts too

Or often you'd see parts being delivered to main dealers from non branded vans, if you ever look at what's being delivered to then it's blue print / Delphi products.

For things like general servicing I'd say most main dealers don't order from themselves , they'd order from the same place as atlas or advanced pit stop etc.

Nope they usually get genuine oe parts for the specific brand from the brand's distributor.

NeVeR

I've been quoted €170 to replace all brake pads on my car. Is that a good price ? or does it depend on the brand of brake pad ? Also i know there is a labor change included in this.

biko

Sounds like a lot, but it depends on the car
Also that price may well include discs.

You don't have to worry about the pads, any reputable mech will use a good brand.

NeVeR

It's a Hyundai i40

Only reason i'm asking is here https://www.micksgarage.com/d/brake-pads/hyundai/hyundai-i40/i40-estate-2011-onwards/1-7-crdi-116-1685/products they are a lot cheaper.. even adding a labor charge would still come in under 170 ?

It's not a main dealer or anything.. just the normal garage I bring my car.

Toyotafanboi

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

For things like general servicing I'd say most main dealers don't order from themselves , they'd order from the same place as atlas or advanced pit stop etc.

Main dealers are havily incentivised to buy parts from their franchise manufacturer, that and for the likes of warranty maintenance they are obliged to do so to.

The only time you'd see a main dealer going to a motor factors is for non franchise work or if they are badly stuck for something.

Like everything, there are exceptions to this but this is the general rule.

OldmanMondeo

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Those are still aftermarket parts despite being from the same manufacturers. In some cases there is quality differences between the oe part and a similar part from the same manufacturer. Not that any of the above brands are bad or anything.

Ok, let me put it like this, imagine a production line of parts, as they head toward packing some go left into "OE" boxes, others go right into "Aftermarket" boxes. This is what I am talking about. No difference in quality what so ever. Most if not all of thee guys will also product a budget range of the same parts.

This is coming from many years dealing with main OE manufactures.

Kenny Logins

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Ok, let me put it like this, imagine a production line of parts, as they head toward packing some go left into "OE" boxes, others go right into "Aftermarket" boxes. This is what I am talking about. No difference in quality what so ever. Most if not all of thee guys will also product a budget range of the same parts.

This is coming from many years dealing with main OE manufactures.

^ I have Lemforder parts here and you can see where they (almost) removed the Audi logo from the casting.