Cross Border Purchases.

kneemos

Does this mean everything on Amazon etc must be available for purchase in Ireland http://www.newstalk.com/European-Parliament-set-to-vote-on-proposals-to-end-geoblocking

whiterebel

They will just put up their shipping so much, it won’t be worth your while anyway. Then we’ll have Brexit, so it won’t matter for UK companies anyway.

my3cents

Is it not for services as apposed to goods?

kneemos

my3cents wrote: »

Is it not for services as apposed to goods?

Online shopping and cross border sales it says.

Suckit

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2018/0205/938573-online-shopping/
http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-online-shopping-eu-3830479-Feb2018/
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=2155e6f7-c1d7-4b71-aeeb-85c26225229e

RTE wrote:

Online shoppers will have wider access to websites without being geo-blocked, or automatically re-routed to a more expensive Irish website, under proposals debated in the European Parliament.
MEPs in Strasbourg debated the move that will end unjustified geo-blocking.
It would mean consumers in Ireland will be able to buy products, book hotels, purchase concert tickets and pay for car rental from a website based in another EU member state rather than being redirected to a country-specific website where the product may be more expensive.
Geo-blocking refers to discriminatory practices that prevent online customers from accessing and purchasing a product or a service from a website based in another EU member state.

Hopefully this gets passed. Too often we are getting stung on items here. It should also make a difference to items like TV's or larger items that do not normally ship here, by telling them they have to.
I guess the shipping prices will be astronomical for many items unless they plan on monitoring that or limiting it somehow.
It should also make a difference to many online retailers in Central Europe that have sales all the time but don't include us.
I can think of many off the top of my head, mostly tech stores though. Although many clothing stores offer the choice of using their Irish or UK store, that is usually just for language, and the prices are often the same.

whiterebel

Mod merged.

CeilingFly

Suckit wrote: »

Hopefully this gets passed. Too often we are getting stung on items here. It should also make a difference to items like TV's or larger items that do not normally ship here, by telling them they have to.

A store can decide whther they want to sell to a country or not. If you tell them "they have to" they'll just tell to to eff off.

IF they sell to Ireland but apply a different price (excluding delivery) because you are in Ireland then you can insist on the price charged to their German customers.

Its usually hotels, car hire and event tickets that the issue is with. But some retailers who offer delivery to Ireland but have different pricing will ahve to change that - but if they don't offer shipping to Ireland they cannot be forced to sell to you.

kneemos

CeilingFly wrote: »

A store can decide whther they want to sell to a country or not. If you tell them "they have to" they'll just tell to to eff off.

IF they sell to Ireland but apply a different price (excluding delivery) because you are in Ireland then you can insist on the price charged to their German customers.

Its usually hotels, car hire and event tickets that the issue is with. But some retailers who offer delivery to Ireland but have different pricing will ahve to change that - but if they don't offer shipping to Ireland they cannot be forced to sell to you.

Geo blocking is the whole point of the new legislation apparently.

kneemos

Been passed anyway and comes into force from next Christmas,along with more affordable cross border parcel delivery apparently. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-18-667_en.htm

Suckit

Ah, right. I misread/understood.
There are plenty of TV sellers that charge for shipping, but it brings the overall price up quite high. I am using TV's as an example.
There are plenty of online tech stores it will apply to.
Lenovo, Creative, Logitech, Microsoft and many others.
But then surely they could just remove the item from their Irish store? Or they could provide a cashback promotion limited to the Country that they are selling it in.

kneemos

Suckit wrote: »

Ah, right. I misread/understood.
There are plenty of TV sellers that charge for shipping, but it brings the overall price up quite high. I am using TV's as an example.
There are plenty of online tech stores it will apply to.
Lenovo, Creative, Logitech, Microsoft and many others.
But then surely they could just remove the item from their Irish store? Or they could provide a cashback promotion limited to the Country that they are selling it in.

What applies to one will have apply to all.
Dunno what the problem is with sending stuff to Ireland or elsewhere is anyway,certainly from the UK the postage wouldn't even be that much extra ,yet a lot of sites refuse to or charge exorbitantly.

Suckit

I think the UK reason has something to do with WEEE, but that won't matter anymore once Brexit kicks in.

So if an item is on Amazon France for €100, we will get it for €100 + shipping? No more Amazon removing French VAT and replacing it with Irish VAT to make it E.g. €107 or whatever the difference would be?

I am sure there will be loopholes they will all use anyway. This law may be the start, but probably won't make any difference itself in the long run. Wasn't the whole Euro currency supposed to make all items the same price across the board anyway?

my3cents

Amazon have to charge the VAT rate of the country they are sending the goods to, if they don't then they aren't allowed to trade cross border. Why would that change?

Edit> Nothing here on new VAT changes http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-4404_en.htm to indicate any changes that affect the way a company the size of Amazon deals with cross border VAT.

Suckit

my3cents wrote: »

Amazon have to charge the VAT rate of the country they are sending the goods to, if they don't then they aren't allowed to trade cross border. Why would that change?

Edit> Nothing here on new VAT changes http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-4404_en.htm to indicate any changes that affect the way a company the size of Amazon deals with cross border VAT.

I may have written it incorrectly, but i meant it as a question, as on many sites if something is bought from that Country and posted to Ireland, they don't seem to do it.
I'm also curious as to whether or not there will ever be an Amazon.ie as they bought the domain a few years back.

my3cents

Suckit wrote: »

I may have written it incorrectly, but i meant it as a question, as on many sites if something is bought from that Country and posted to Ireland, they don't seem to do it.
I'm also curious as to whether or not there will ever be an Amazon.ie as they bought the domain a few years back.

iirc once a company sells more than £75k worth of goods to another within the EU then they have to charge to VAT rate of the country where the goods are bought its a different amount depending on the destination country. New rules change those amount I think to a common €100k which s fine for small companies but no use to Amazon.

Then I think there will be VAT on ALL stuff bought from China (and anywhere outside the EU) because the €22 limit on charging VAT from outside the EU is going. That may stop the market altogether of cheap stuff from China because the carrier handling charge for doing the VAT paperwork will massively bump up the costs of small items.

A lot of "I thinks" in that as I'm not an accountant or economist.

CeilingFly

The new rules are about "unjustified geoblocking" - won't be difficult to come up with a justifiable reason.

Where it will work is for sites that try and divert you to a local site or where they charge a different price because you are based in a different country and offer delivery to that country