Finsbury Park Terrorist Given Life; Judge Cites Online Radicalisation

Billy86

Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne jailed for minimum of 43 years

A man who drove a van into a crowd of Muslims near a north London mosque has been sentenced to life in prison, with a minimum term of 43 years behind bars.

Darren Osborne, 48, was found guilty of murdering Makram Ali, 51, after deliberately ploughing into a crowd of people in Finsbury Park in June.

Mrs Justice Cheema-Grubb said Osborne, from Cardiff, had planned "a suicide mission" and expected to be shot dead.

"This was a terrorist attack - you intended to kill," the judge told him.
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Justice Cheema-Grubb told Osborne the jury in his trial had seen though his "pathetic last-ditch attempt to deceive them".

She said he was "rapidly radicalised over the internet by those determined to spread hatred of Muslims".

"Your use of Twitter exposed you to racists and anti-Islamic ideology," she added.

"In short, you allowed your mind to be poisoned by those who claimed to be leaders."

Sounds rather familiar, it's good to see justice passed on it but continues to give a lot of concerns about right wing extremists actively recruiting potential future terrorists online through social media and forums, to which AH is no stranger.

seachto7

Have you seen this? Tommy Robinson V Sky News Joe Tidy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v4jbbOiZy0

Odhinn

seachto7 wrote: »

Have you seen this? Tommy Robinson V Sky News Joe Tidy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v4jbbOiZy0

You might give us a summary..?

seachto7

Not that I like Tommy Robinson, Joe Tidy trying to put words in his mouth....

Billy86

seachto7 wrote: »

Not that I like Tommy Robinson, Joe Tidy trying to put words in his mouth....

Haven't seen it, was the Finsbury Park terrorist a follower of his or something?

Hande hoche!

See that InfoWars got a mention.

511

Huh, reading Twitter = radicalised. I'm somewhat skeptical. I reckon the 3 Islamist terror attacks in the 3 months preceding Finsbury Park terror attack had significantly more influence behind that man's decision.

Man bites dog.

mcmoustache

There's so much nonsense on the internet these days whose soul purpose is to get people all riled up and radicalised. I'm starting to think that some people just shouldn't be allowed to use an internet connection.

Back in the day, everyone knew not to believe what you read on the internet. At the time it was mostly students online so there was a lot of pranks, anarchy and unironic communism. People were more sceptical about what they read.

Now it's full of old people with facebook, idiots on both the left and right wanting to be outraged and outrage merchants fuelling them. I used to think that the internet was going to educate people and bring them together but instead, it's being used as a tool to turn people against each other.

FunLover18

511 wrote: »

Huh, reading Twitter = radicalised. I'm somewhat skeptical. I reckon the 3 Islamist terror attacks in the 3 months preceding Finsbury Park terror attack had significantly more influence behind that man's decision.

I'm not being smart, what point are you trying to make? His attack was justified retaliation? People are radicalised by the actions of others?

Chrongen

mcmoustache wrote: »

There's so much nonsense on the internet these days whose soul purpose is to get people all riled up and radicalised. I'm starting to think that some people just shouldn't be allowed to use an internet connection.

Back in the day, everyone knew not to believe what you read on the internet. At the time it was mostly students online so there was a lot of pranks, anarchy and unironic communism. People were more sceptical about what they read.

Now it's full of old people with facebook, idiots on both the left and right wanting to be outraged and outrage merchants fuelling them. I used to think that the internet was going to educate people and bring them together but instead, it's being used as a tool to turn people against each other.

Tabloid rags have been around long before the advent of the Internet.

The_Kew_Tour

Good see Justice served.

But they are all right wing.

mcmoustache

mcmoustache wrote: »

There's so much nonsense on the internet these days whose soul purpose is to get people all riled up and radicalised. I'm starting to think that some people just shouldn't be allowed to use an internet connection.

Back in the day, everyone knew not to believe what you read on the internet. At the time it was mostly students online so there was a lot of pranks, anarchy and unironic communism. People were more sceptical about what they read.

Now it's full of old people with facebook, idiots on both the left and right wanting to be outraged and outrage merchants fuelling them. I used to think that the internet was going to educate people and bring them together but instead, it's being used as a tool to turn people against each other.

It's still full of students etc. The "alt-right" online is mostly made up of trolls and people taking the piss. Oh and bots. "Weaponised Autism" I've heard it referred to as. :P

seenitall

FunLover18 wrote: »

People are radicalised by the actions of others?

Sure, aren't we forever being told that Manchester kids having to die is a result (by way of retaliatory radicalisation) of their government's actions in the Middle East?

Billy86

Chrongen wrote: »

Tabloid rags have been around long before the advent of the Internet.

They certainly have, but the internet has intensified this to a huge extent for all forms of extremism, largely by creating an echo chamber and circle jerk of these people, what can pretty much be described as prepared attacks on other forums (see the 4Chan 'drop a red pill on boards' type stuff), as well as the fact typically people are alone and much easier to manipulate online.

mcmoustache

Chrongen wrote: »

Tabloid rags have been around long before the advent of the Internet.

That's true but they weren't as interactive. You could read the daily mail to get your daily dose of outrage about Muhamed from Birmingham and his 3 wives on benefits or the Independent to be disgusted about the latest Israeli atrocity but it sort of stopped there.

Now, you can share these stories among like-minded folk and discuss the topic as though it's the worst thing in the world. It creates an echo-chamber where it it looks like everyone around you is outraged about the same thing and therefore correct in their outrage while a whole bunch of sheep in the outgroup are being naive or being sheep for being outraged about something else.

Outrage, man. It's a hell of a drug.

rgodard80a

Mrs Justice Cheema-Grubb wrote:

She said he was "rapidly radicalised over the internet by those determined to spread hatred of Muslims".

Nobody is radicalized against their will.
People have anger issues, they seek out similar minded people or a cause which puts a thinly veiled sense of justification on the actions they wish to take.

A lot of mens action movies play to this, where men are seeking revenge for some terrible thing that happened them/partners/kids and they are given the moral authority by the audience to commit violence.
Rambo... the small town cop hassles him unduly to breaking point.
Die Hard... defending against terrorists/defending his wife.
Death Wish... can't remember much, but evenges family deaths?
Kill Bill... woman nearly killed, baby thought to be gone, whole wedding congregation killed...
Home alone... Kid tortures burglars with fire, nails etc

Common theme of seeking a cause to justify actions.

Billy86

Billy86 wrote: »

Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne jailed for minimum of 43 years
Sounds rather familiar, it's good to see justice passed on it but continues to give a lot of concerns about right wing extremists actively recruiting potential future terrorists online through social media and forums, to which AH is no stranger.

I spend my life online. Between my 2-3 hour a day commute which I spend browsing twitter or boards or other sites, I work in internet security so a lot of my time is researching stuff on blogs or other sites, and when my day is over I sometimes relax by browsing some more. I occasionally stumble upon wildcard-ophobia sites and blogs, but once I realise what it is, I close the browser tab.

I don't believe in this "was radicalised online" excuse. Making it sound like a child could stumble upon a website and bang become a radical like a computer virus that crosses over and infects them.

I was 12 the first time I went online regularly, and when I was alone the first 2 things I looked up were proof of UFOs and Playboy.com, but the resolution on my PC was terrible and the images were so blurry you couldn't see anything. And the UFO site wasnt any better.

My point is, yer man Osbourne went looking for this stuff. It didn't just 'happen'.

Odhinn

Deleted User wrote: »

I spend my life online. Between my 2-3 hour a day commute which I spend browsing twitter or boards or other sites, I work in internet security so a lot of my time is researching stuff on blogs or other sites, and when my day is over I sometimes relax by browsing some more. I occasionally stumble upon wildcard-ophobia sites and blogs, but once I realise what it is, I close the browser tab.

I don't believe in this "was radicalised online" excuse. Making it sound like a child could stumble upon a website and bang become a radical like a computer virus that crosses over and infects them.

I was 12 the first time I went online regularly, and when I was alone the first 2 things I looked up were proof of UFOs and Playboy.com, but the resolution on my PC was terrible and the images were so blurry you couldn't see anything. And the UFO site wasnt any better.

My point is, yer man Osbourne went looking for this stuff. It didn't just 'happen'.

In latter years that was the photoshop, tbh

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

In latter years that was the photoshop, tbh

Back then it was only having 16 colors.

dd972

I'm a bit sceptical about what people are saying about Osborne in these potted histories that get spun out after sentencing, he's nearly 50 years of age and normally hardcore right wing extremists are into that stuff for years, being involved in various groups and so forth, I think mental illness had a larger part to play.

The British hard rights real enemy are every UK government since the 1950's who've effectively turned their country into a global commons room, the UK, especially England and it's large urban areas doesn't have the language, bureaucracy and red tape that other Euro countries have insulating them from mass immigration hence the situation in Calais.

As much as I dislike British right wingers they do have a point in the sense that they never asked for mass immigration, it was dumped on them by politicians who wouldn't live in dumps like Luton, Slough or Southall themselves and as much as we rightly remember British imperialism and live with it's consequences, the Brits didn't saturate India or Nigeria with White English people, so it's a bit puzzling as to why should their country belong to the world with millions of people having the notion they've some god given right to live there, there isn't much there for the lower income, education English in most of it.

Pero_Bueno

Billy86 wrote: »

Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne jailed for minimum of 43 years
Sounds rather familiar, it's good to see justice passed on it but continues to give a lot of concerns about right wing extremists actively recruiting potential future terrorists online through social media and forums, to which AH is no stranger.

What absolute ****ing tosh are you spouting ?
I can smell the scutter from here.

You don't think the 3 previous Islamic terror attacks in the UK that killed ~30 people had anything to do with his motivations ?

Not that it justifies it, but these are the reasons he did it.

Not "right wing extremism" - Tommy Robinson is a right wing extremist ?
really ?